Michael Flynn vs. The True Believers

[PoliticalChic]

7. In his capacity as Trump's chief adviser on national security affairs, Flynn did as he should do: he asked that the Kremlin not immediately respond to Obama's expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats....simply wait to see what the Trump administration will do.


"Flynn did not promise Kislyak anything in this initial conversation, and four days later, on January 2, the Russian ambassador called him back to continue their discussion. The intercept of their conversations was duly recorded by the FBI."
Edward Klein, "All Out War," p. 161-162


"If we are to believe the Trump White House, National Security Adviser Michael Flynn just resigned because he lied about his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the vice president. As White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway told NBC's "Today Show" on Tuesday: "Misleading the vice president really was the key here."


It's not even clear that Flynn lied. He says in his resignation letter that he did not deliberately leave out elements of his conversations with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak when he recounted them to Vice President Mike Pence. The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different ways.


...the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions.

That's neither illegal nor improper. " The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn


Unless, of course it is viewed through the prism of a true believer.......

 

[The Original Tree]

Hard to know whether the Democrat elites seek out true believers, or those types simply flock to their masters.

1.The former CIA Moscow station head describes this sort this way:

".... the denizens of the Deep State that everyone in Washington likes to tell us doesn’t exist....made up of thousands of similarly credentialed, remarkably “un-diverse” civil servants and political appointees who saw themselves promoted rapidly during the eight years of the Obama administration. The appointees have left, but make no mistake — the progressive civil servants remain.

The present culture of the intelligence community and the shameless political shenanigans of the Obama administration combined to create this disaster.”
How the intel community was turned into a political weapon against President Trump

Some interesting background on the former CIA Moscow station head, Scott Uehlinger. Among his many accomplishments, Uehlinger is a conservative politician currently running for Congress. He never mentions a political conversion so it is safe to assume he was one of those 'Deep State' people he talks about, except he was on the Right when he worked for Obama. Was he loyal to Obama when he worked for him or did he work to undermine him?

Maybe it was buried in a 100 page document in a footnote, and referred to in extremely vague terms...so you wouldn't notice it.

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're trying to say. What is the 'it' and what is the document?

The fact he is conservative. Maybe it was buried in a 100 page document in a foot note.
Do you not understand the relevance of my comment?

 

[alang1216]

Do you not understand the relevance of my comment?

Actually I don't.

 

[alang1216]

7. In his capacity as Trump's chief adviser on national security affairs, Flynn did as he should do: he asked that the Kremlin not immediately respond to Obama's expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats....simply wait to see what the Trump administration will do.


"Flynn did not promise Kislyak anything in this initial conversation, and four days later, on January 2, the Russian ambassador called him back to continue their discussion. The intercept of their conversations was duly recorded by the FBI."
Edward Klein, "All Out War," p. 161-162


"If we are to believe the Trump White House, National Security Adviser Michael Flynn just resigned because he lied about his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the vice president. As White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway told NBC's "Today Show" on Tuesday: "Misleading the vice president really was the key here."


It's not even clear that Flynn lied. He says in his resignation letter that he did not deliberately leave out elements of his conversations with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak when he recounted them to Vice President Mike Pence. The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different ways.


...the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions.

That's neither illegal nor improper. " The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn


Unless, of course it is viewed through the prism of a true believer.......

If Flynn's contacts were innocent why did he lie to the FBI about them?

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. In his capacity as Trump's chief adviser on national security affairs, Flynn did as he should do: he asked that the Kremlin not immediately respond to Obama's expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats....simply wait to see what the Trump administration will do.


"Flynn did not promise Kislyak anything in this initial conversation, and four days later, on January 2, the Russian ambassador called him back to continue their discussion. The intercept of their conversations was duly recorded by the FBI."
Edward Klein, "All Out War," p. 161-162


"If we are to believe the Trump White House, National Security Adviser Michael Flynn just resigned because he lied about his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the vice president. As White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway told NBC's "Today Show" on Tuesday: "Misleading the vice president really was the key here."


It's not even clear that Flynn lied. He says in his resignation letter that he did not deliberately leave out elements of his conversations with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak when he recounted them to Vice President Mike Pence. The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different ways.


...the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions.

That's neither illegal nor improper. " The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn


Unless, of course it is viewed through the prism of a true believer.......

If Flynn's contacts were innocent why did he lie to the FBI about them?

"According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged…” Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied




What happened?

Michael Flynn had the bad luck to come face to face with a true believer in a position of power.

Flynn came under the perusal of true believer Sally Yates, who felt no particular duty to the sworn obligations of her job, or any obligation to honesty…..only an obligation to Leftist doctrine.


And Flynn represented something very different.

 

[Penelope]

some conspiracy threads stay in politics

I notice that you were not able to find anything to dispute, and could only provide the usual and prosaic Liberal "Is not, issssss noootttttt!!!!" post, or, more specifically in your muddled post, a demand to hide the truth.


Seems to be the best you morons can do.

Flynn is a proven liar ,,, true believers?

and who believes proven liars ?

With very little effort....the hallmark of you Leftists....you have become our best source of greenhouse gases.



Now, either clean off your specs, or have someone with a higher degree of literary capacity than you...any three year old will do....and mull this over:

"According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged…” Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

transition in late December 2016

There is only one chief of staff at a time and Flynn was not it. Oh I'm sure they made a deal, why did Tillerson get in as SOS. Flynn flipped. I suspect Pence knew as well but Jesus told him to lie for the good of the country.

 

[The Original Tree]

He didn’t lie and Comey said he didn’t lie.

Tell you who did lie a 1,000 Times.
Hillary Clinton.

And The FBI, DOJ, DNC, and Obama when they conspired to create a 100 Page FISA request for Surveillance saturated with DNC Lies, KGB Propaganda, and Russian Spies.

Funny how Obama knew exactly what was in that FISA request and knew he paid $1 Million Dollars for The Russian Propaganda in it, and didn’t bother to mention that to The FISA Judge.

Hillary Rotten Clinton and Obama Bin Lying are a Judas to this Nation.

They and their conspirators should be publicly hung and this should be televised globally.

7. In his capacity as Trump's chief adviser on national security affairs, Flynn did as he should do: he asked that the Kremlin not immediately respond to Obama's expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats....simply wait to see what the Trump administration will do.


"Flynn did not promise Kislyak anything in this initial conversation, and four days later, on January 2, the Russian ambassador called him back to continue their discussion. The intercept of their conversations was duly recorded by the FBI."
Edward Klein, "All Out War," p. 161-162


"If we are to believe the Trump White House, National Security Adviser Michael Flynn just resigned because he lied about his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the vice president. As White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway told NBC's "Today Show" on Tuesday: "Misleading the vice president really was the key here."


It's not even clear that Flynn lied. He says in his resignation letter that he did not deliberately leave out elements of his conversations with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak when he recounted them to Vice President Mike Pence. The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different ways.


...the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions.

That's neither illegal nor improper. " The Political Assassination of Michael Flynn


Unless, of course it is viewed through the prism of a true believer.......

If Flynn's contacts were innocent why did he lie to the FBI about them?

 

[The Original Tree]

So did you make plans to move to Moscow so you can continue to be Putin’s Butt Puppet in person?

Then you can get your marching orders and Propaganda Packets from your hero Vlad Putin in person, just like The Festering Diseased Skank did AKA Hillary Brain Clot Clinton.

It’d be good for you to keep your promise to move out of the country when Trump was elected, and visit mother Russia, Comrade! We don’t want liars and lazy slackers here anyways.

Instead you bore us with psycho babble and your Kremlin Krap?

some conspiracy threads stay in politics

I notice that you were not able to find anything to dispute, and could only provide the usual and prosaic Liberal "Is not, issssss noootttttt!!!!" post, or, more specifically in your muddled post, a demand to hide the truth.


Seems to be the best you morons can do.

Flynn is a proven liar ,,, true believers?

and who believes proven liars ?

With very little effort....the hallmark of you Leftists....you have become our best source of greenhouse gases.



Now, either clean off your specs, or have someone with a higher degree of literary capacity than you...any three year old will do....and mull this over:

"According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged…” Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

transition in late December 2016

There is only one chief of staff at a time and Flynn was not it. Oh I'm sure they made a deal, why did Tillerson get in as SOS. Flynn flipped. I suspect Pence knew as well but Jesus told him to lie for the good of the country.

 

[postman]

He didn’t lie and Comey said he didn’t lie.

Tell you who did lie a 1,000 Times.
Hillary Clinton.

You mis-spelled Trump, and it's 2,100 times.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Obama gave ‘em the dog whistle, to prevent a smooth transition of power to the new President….and the true believers sprang into action.



8. What happened between the time Comey told Congress the FBI did not believe Flynn lied and the time, several months later, when Flynn pleaded guilty to just that?

…“ the Flynn-Kislyak phone conversations. The first thing to remember is that it appears Flynn did nothing wrong in having those talks. As the incoming national security adviser, it was entirely reasonable that he discuss policy with representatives of other governments — and Flynn was getting calls from all around the world.

… the FBI did not think Flynn had done anything wrong in the calls. On Jan. 23, the Washington Post reported that the FBI had reviewed the Flynn-Kislyak calls and "has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government." Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied



Along came true believer “deputy attorney general Sally Yates, who reportedly believed Flynn might have violated the Logan Act, a 218 year-old law under which no one had ever been successfully prosecuted."
Ibid.




9. The Flynn episode became known due to illegality....but not by Flynn nor by the Trump administration. Rather, it was the illegal actions of the Obama administration.

"As an American citizen, Flynn's identity was supposed to be 'masked,' or protected from exposure. However, [true believer] Susan Rice had made sure that the names of Trump associates scooped up in intercepts would be unmasked and disseminated widely throughout the intelligence community, assuring that they would be leaked to the press." Edward Klein, "All Out War," p. 163

 

[alang1216]

"According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged…” Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

What happened?

I found sources that say the opposite. I think we'll have to wait until Mueller is ready to tell us and there are no more anonymous sources.

 

[alang1216]

Obama gave ‘em the dog whistle, to prevent a smooth transition of power to the new President….

Yet it was Obama who tried to warn Trump that Flynn was poisonous. Why would he do that if wanted to prevent a smooth transition of power to the new President?

 

[PoliticalChic]

He didn’t lie and Comey said he didn’t lie.

Tell you who did lie a 1,000 Times.
Hillary Clinton.

You mis-spelled Trump, and it's 2,100 times.

When one notes that, as your post proves, Leftists never seem able to provide a substantive post.....

Just some drivel meant to be clever....but isn't.

I'm guessing that there is a medical diagnosis that explains the lack of insight, depth and ability,


True?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"According to two sources familiar with the meetings, Comey told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional. As a result, some of those in attendance came away with the impression that Flynn would not be charged…” Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

What happened?

I found sources that say the opposite. I think we'll have to wait until Mueller is ready to tell us and there are no more anonymous sources.

Great idea.


Why don't you wait.


Ta ta.

 

[postman]

… the FBI did not think Flynn had done anything wrong in the calls. On Jan. 23, the Washington Post reported that the FBI had reviewed the Flynn-Kislyak calls and "has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government." Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...idnt-think-michael-flynn-lied/article/2648896

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk to Kislyak, so it's not what he said, but who he said it to that was the lie. Plus what he said too, since he denied talking about sanctions on top of not talking to the Russian ambassador.

 

[The Original Tree]

Mr. “By The Book” knowingly allowed a Fake Russian Dossier that he paid for to be used as fake evidence in a fictitious FISA application?

Mr. “By the Book” allowed the targets of Obama Bin Lying’s Surveillance to be Illegally Unmasked?

Mr. “By The Book” Allowed James Comey to violate every FBI procedure and policy during The Clinton Investigation so he could have her exonerated months before she was interviewed UNDER IMMUNITY with no record of the interviews of her nor her staff?

That guy?

Obama and Clinton’s own words and lies will be the noose around their necks and no one will be to blame but themselves.

Obama gave ‘em the dog whistle, to prevent a smooth transition of power to the new President….

Yet it was Obama who tried to warn Trump that Flynn was poisonous. Why would he do that if wanted to prevent a smooth transition of power to the new President?

 

[PoliticalChic]

… the FBI did not think Flynn had done anything wrong in the calls. On Jan. 23, the Washington Post reported that the FBI had reviewed the Flynn-Kislyak calls and "has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government." Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

Flynn told the FBI he didn't talk to Kislyak, so it's not what he said, but who he said it to that was the lie. Plus what he said too, since he denied talking about sanctions on top of not talking to the Russian ambassador.

No he didn't, Lostman.

As usual, you know less than nothing....so you make stuff up.

That makes you both a dunce and a liar.



What happened between the time Comey told Congress the FBI did not believe Flynn lied and the time, several months later, when Flynn pleaded guilty to just that?

…“ the Flynn-Kislyak phone conversations. The first thing to remember is that it appears Flynn did nothing wrong in having those talks. As the incoming national security adviser, it was entirely reasonable that he discuss policy with representatives of other governments — and Flynn was getting calls from all around the world.

… the FBI did not think Flynn had done anything wrong in the calls. On Jan. 23, the Washington Post reported that the FBI had reviewed the Flynn-Kislyak calls and "has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government." Byron York: Comey told Congress FBI agents didn't think Michael Flynn lied

 

[postman]

He didn’t lie and Comey said he didn’t lie.

Tell you who did lie a 1,000 Times.
Hillary Clinton.

You mis-spelled Trump, and it's 2,100 times.

When one notes that, as your post proves, Leftists never seem able to provide a substantive post.....

Just some drivel meant to be clever....but isn't.

I'm guessing that there is a medical diagnosis that explains the lack of insight, depth and ability,


True?

Read the latest Trump lie list from the New York times, Factcheck and dozens of other places. Trump went from 5.5 lies per day to 5.9 lies per day on average.

And what about how Trump is even making John Kelly lie, like how the florida congresswoman talked about how she got funding for the FBI building, or how he only found out about Porter last Tuesday. Even FBI dir Wray couldn't let that lie lay.

 

[alang1216]

He didn’t lie and Comey said he didn’t lie.

Do you have a quote of Comey saying he didn't lie or are you relying on some anonymous source?

 

[postman]

Mr. “by the book” knowingly allowed a Fake Russian Dossier that he paid for to be used as fake evidence in a fictitious FISA application?

Mr. “By the Book” allowed the targets of Obama Bin Lying’s Surveillanxe to be Illegally Unmasked?

Make up your mind. They caught Flynn, and Stone and others talking to the Russians. And when it came time to prove it, they had to release the names of the americans in collusion with Russians who were being routinely wiretapped.