Marijuana and the definition of conservative

[zaangalewa]

I am not addicted to pot. ...

Good so. Then do not use alcohol or drugs for the next 400 years.

Wow...

Wow - he says "wow".

And they whine about authoritarian commies and socialists....

"We" - whoever this could be - is doing what?

Subs have IQ under 5

You are not the first who calls people from my family "subhumans", Nazi.

That is why they are the only demographic on the planet that has not figured out 911....

Why exactly do you say you are not able not to use alcohol and drugs for only 400 years? Because you are "not addicted to pot"? ... And 9/11 is harmless compared with such a totalitarian catastrophe like to be free from alcohol and drugs and to feel well and not to be a big risk for the life of all other people?

 

[zaangalewa]

I am not addicted to pot. ...

Good so. Then do not use alcohol or drugs for the next 400 years.

Pot can make you feel good, like eating chocolate, watching a funny movie, etc., so why should some not have any fun for 400 years?

Eat chocolate, watch fun movies - and without pot this will make much more fun. Alcohol and drugs destroy fun - except you like to laugh always again and again and again and in the same evening about the old same joke, which you will have forgotten tomorrow morning.

 

[woodwork201]

Good point. I think it is only in England where there are actual parties of those names.
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The Conservative Party, officially the Conservative and Unionist Party, and also known colloquially as the Tories, Tory Party, or simply the Conservatives, is a political party in the United Kingdom.
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Actually, there is a Conservative party and a Liberal party in the United States as well but doodooalex doesn't know it and it's not those to which he was referring. Both parties, or perhaps even between them both, have about 12 members.

 

[Rigby5]

I am not addicted to pot. ...

Good so. Then do not use alcohol or drugs for the next 400 years.

Pot can make you feel good, like eating chocolate, watching a funny movie, etc., so why should some not have any fun for 400 years?

Eat chocolate, watch fun movies - and without pot this will make much more fun. Alcohol and drugs destroy fun - except you like to laugh always again and again and again and in the same evening about the old same joke, which you will have forgotten tomorrow morning.

No, you obviously have never had a rat-race job, been under economic pressure from health care, bills, landlords, car problems, etc., felt isolated by your appearance, etc.
Life can be like a pressure cooker sometimes, and sometimes it helps to be able to switch over to a more normal and relaxed state of mind.
And if you think pot is addictive or harmful, you just don't know much about it.

 

[Rigby5]

Getting back to the thread, a true conservative would never have wanted or allowed the federal government to create a DEA because obviously drugs are way outside of any federal jurisdiction in the Constitution.

The basis for law is that we all are supposed to have inherent rights, and the authority of government comes only from helping to defend those rights. But since drug laws defend no one, they are without any legal basis. Drug laws are a crime themselves.

 

[woodwork201]

No, you obviously have never had a rat-race job, been under economic pressure from health care, bills, landlords, car problems, etc., felt isolated by your appearance, etc.
Life can be like a pressure cooker sometimes, and sometimes it helps to be able to switch over to a more normal and relaxed state of mind.
And if you think pot is addictive or harmful, you just don't know much about it.

There are a lot of better choices than pot or alcohol. Zen meditation, chanting, hypnosis, etc., for those who don't have anything better. For the rest of us, there's prayer with scripture studying (in any religion). Take a walk in a forest, get a quiet hobby, perhaps bird-watching.

And then, there's all of us imperfect humans who sometimes take the lazy way to relaxation and have a drink or, for some, a smoke.

I have a great job that does regular drug testing. I don't use any federally or state controlled substances in any illegal way - though I probably would if it were legal and not tested for by my employer. I take care of a sick family member so I have to be prepared to drive at any moment, no matter where I am or what I am doing. I never have more than a double-shot on any night but usually a single, if I have any at all, and I only do any alcohol 3 or 4 times a year.

In spite of some assholes who jump on anyone defending the Constitution or liberty when it comes to drugs, attacking them as drug users, I have not smoked a joint in 40 years. Unlike those assholes, I defend the Constitution and the rights of others always. Period.

 

[woodwork201]

OK. I changed my mind. GOvernment should defend us from ourselves and our bad decisions. 45 MPH speed limits. Ban unsafe toys and activities such as snowboarding and skiing. All swimming pools must be filled in. Mandatory motorcycle helmets nationwide. Mandatory gun safety training before you can buy a gun. Metal detectors at ALL public buildings and no guns allowed in any public building.

Texting while driving is now a federal crime. The Whitehouse warns social media companies about anything that the government thinks is wrong to prevent the loss of life from misinformation - for instance, speech about phony Russian Dossiers must be banned because it incites people to hate the president and leads to rioting and insurrection.

What other ideas do any of you have that the government can impose to save lives and to save us from our own bad choices?

 

[woodwork201]

OK. I changed my mind. GOvernment should defend us from ourselves and our bad decisions. 45 MPH speed limits. Ban unsafe toys and activities such as snowboarding and skiing. All swimming pools must be filled in. Mandatory motorcycle helmets nationwide. Mandatory gun safety training before you can buy a gun. Metal detectors at ALL public buildings and no guns allowed in any public building.

Texting while driving is now a federal crime. The Whitehouse warns social media companies about anything that the government thinks is wrong to prevent the loss of life from misinformation - for instance, speech about phony Russian Dossiers must be banned because it incites people to hate the president and leads to rioting and insurrection.

What other ideas do any of you have that the government can impose to save lives and to save us from our own bad choices?

Oh, I forgot. Pancake syrup? Gone. French fries? Nope. All fried foods gone. Cars? Nope; take public transportation. Flying? Private jets for those important government folks but the rest of us take a coal-powered (electric) public bus even for cross-country trips.

I'm sure I'll come up with a lot more things for which the Federal Government should ignore the Constitution because it's for a good cause; it saves lives.

 

[Dadoalex]

The exact answer one expects from a "conservative."
He doesn't know a thing about Conservatives so he conflates them with other groups.
There used to be Conservative, Moderate, and Liberal Democrats and Republicans.

There used to be conservative, moderate, and liberal Democrats. There might also have been Conservative-Democrats but no group referred to themselves as any proper, formalized, unique group. Conservative, moderate, and liberal, as you used them are called adjectives; those are words that qualify or mark up other words. As I used it creates a compound word, thus the hyphen, and doesn't make sense without the Democrats. Actually the word conservative doesn't make sense along with the word Democrat in any sense or case but that's a different argument.

There has not been a Conservative president since Gerald Ford.

No; there has not been a conservative president since Donald Trump. Gerald ford was never conservative and adjectives do not get capitalized.

Harry Truman would have been the last Democratic Conservative to be President.

No; Harry Truman may have been the last democratic-conservative to be president. You might even argue that he was the last democratic conservative, but you really don't understand at all the proper use of proper nouns.

You might argue that President Truman was a democratic-conservative but Harry Truman wasn't President; he was president. President is properly capitalized when used as a proper noun as a title and not capitalized when used as the name of an office of government. You could say President Truman was president from 1945 to 1953. Far more interesting and exciting, though, is that President Trump was president from 2017 to 2021 and will be again from 2025 to 2029.

Following the Southern Plan

If the title of the plan is The Southern Plan, then you can follow The Southern Plan. If the title of the plan is Southern Plan, then you can follow the Southern Plan; so you basically got this one right. In both cases, Southern is part of the title just as the word President is part of the title when you say, "I love President Trump." (Go ahead. Try saying it and see how sweetly it rolls across your lips.)

Republicans recruited Democrats unhappy with the Liberalism of the Democratic party toward race.

Well, this one's just silly. We all know that the Republicans did not recruit Democrats unhappy with the liberalism of the Democratic Party - unless, by liberalism, you mean the Democrat's hatred for black people.

Liberalism is a political philosophy. When talking about a list of political philosophies, one could make an argument that liberalism is a unique entity within that framework and might be capitalized but you would be hard pressed to find a single modern scholarly writing doing that.

Then the anti-abortion crowd, anti-vax, anti-science, gunners and thus the growing stupification and dishonesty of the GOP.

Why aren't all these adjectives capitalized? Do you only capitalize the honest ones? That would explain these, being lesser because dishonesty is always less than honesty, being not capitalized when you capitalize so many other adjectives.

These people have no idea of what Republican philosophy is but they call themselves "conservative" so the GOP became conflated with political stupidity.

Your doing

Don't know what you edited here but you missed two words.

BUT

If you don't know why MTG and BoBo are not Conservatives that, my tiny brained "conservative" is entirely on you.

Your mistake is that you, somewhere, saw someone say little 'r' republican versus big 'R' Republican and you thought that could apply to any adjective. It doesn't.

A little 'r' republican is someone who believes in or supports a republican form of government - as is the United States and also each and every individual state. A big 'R' Republican is a person who is registered as, or at least supports, the Republican Party. The Republican Party is a specific instance of a thing; an actual entity. Its name is a proper noun so it is capitalized.

A little 'd' democrat is someone who believes in or supports a democratic form of government - i.e. majority rules or at least majority elects the leaders. A big 'D' Democrat is someone who believes that black children should not have the option to select or go to the best schools; those schools being reserved for the children of big 'D' Democrat leaders and donors.

Now that I've educated you, once again, please tell me what a Conservative is and what is the difference between a Conservative and a conservative.

And we hear from the IGP.
Why?
The fact that you really are to much of a Tiny Minded "conservative" to begin to understand makes the effort worthless but
I will allow you to explain it to yourself.
Why is Donald Trump a "conservative?" What are his deeply held beliefs that define his "conservatism?" From where did he derive these beliefs?
What about people who don't agree with him on EVERYTHING, are they not "conservatives?"
You see, it is not I who fails to understand the difference between Conservative and "conservative."
and willful ignorance is not a good look.

Good; you admit that you don't know what the hell you're talking about and cannot define a big 'C' conservative.

What we both know is that you are not a Conservative but you most certainly are a tiny minded "conservative."

 

[zaangalewa]

I am not addicted to pot. ...

Good so. Then do not use alcohol or drugs for the next 400 years.

Pot can make you feel good, like eating chocolate, watching a funny movie, etc., so why should some not have any fun for 400 years?

Eat chocolate, watch fun movies - and without pot this will make much more fun. Alcohol and drugs destroy fun - except you like to laugh always again and again and again and in the same evening about the old same joke, which you will have forgotten tomorrow morning.

No, you obviously have never had a rat-race job,

A what?

been under economic pressure from health care,

bills,

landlords,

car problems, etc.,

felt isolated by your appearance, etc.

Life can be like a pressure cooker sometimes,

and sometimes it helps to be able to switch over to a more normal and relaxed state of mind.

Alcohol and drugs are the problem - and not any solution - for nothing.

And if you think pot is addictive or harmful, you just don't know much about it.

Sorry: But I will not become a drug addict to find out what a damned bullshit it is to be a drug addict. When I was very young I wanted to visit someone who had been admired from many people. He had been very intelligent, he had been very attractive and he had been not poor. He was not at home. His girlfriend was at home. It was winter. The house was cold. Very cold. No heating. She was sick. Her fingers had a very ugly infection. She had no health insurance. I organized heating material. I organized food for her. I drove. I never came back. I hope she survived. I heard some years later he died because of drugs.

 

[EMH]

Sample marijuana = getting "addicted"

Lol


There is no truth in that claim, which comes from.... You got it

Reefer madness



The real comp for reefer is not alcohol, or tobacco. It is really coffee. Is coffee addictive? my answer is that coffee is more addictive than reefer, and hopefully the big government left and the subs who hate pot won't get ideas about a war on coffee....

 

[EMH]

Getting back to the thread, a true conservative would never have wanted or allowed the federal government to create a DEA because obviously drugs are way outside of any federal jurisdiction in the Constitution.

The basis for law is that we all are supposed to have inherent rights, and the authority of government comes only from helping to defend those rights. But since drug laws defend no one, they are without any legal basis. Drug laws are a crime themselves.

I'm more into defining

Plant
Plant extract

With

Cooked up in a lab



The government of a free country should not be allowed to ban a plant.