Why do you believe that the rich deserve 90% +

[TruthNotBS]

Agreed. The question is, "Is it up to government?"

It's up to our government, not private for-profit companies or the wealthy's pursuit of more capital. My government, the one you and I created to serve us. The government is a social apparatus, organized by the people, to manage their large-scale socioeconomic projects and civil affairs. It's an institution that we created. You want humanity to be bound and at the mercy of greedy capitalists, who only invest their time and money in what will profit them, not necessarily what is good for you and me. When was the last time you participated in an election at your workplace? Like never. Right? Be honest.

You don't know what communism actually is, only what you were told by your capitalist masters and a government run by capitalists during the Cold War. Communism is the future, capitalism is the past. When you're ready to have a serious, civil debate on this issue let me know. Maybe we can both learn from each other, rather than insulting each other like two 5th graders.

 

[progressive hunter]

It's up to our government, not private for-profit companies or the wealthy's pursuit of more capital. My government, the one you and I created to serve us. The government is a social apparatus, organized by the people, to manage their large-scale socioeconomic projects and civil affairs. It's an institution that we created. You want humanity to be bound and at the mercy of greedy capitalists, who only invest their time and money in what will profit them, not necessarily what is good for you and me. When was the last time you participated in an election at your workplace? Like never. Right? Be honest.

You don't know what communism actually is, only what you were told by your capitalist masters and a government run by capitalists during the Cold War. Communism is the future, capitalism is the past. When you're ready to have a serious, civil debate on this issue let me know. Maybe we can both learn from each other, rather than insulting each other like two 5th graders.

we have a 100 yrs and over 100 million dead from communism,,

we know exactly what it is,,

 

[TruthNotBS]

Agreed. The question is, "Is it up to government?"

We don't agree. It's up to those who vote, electing their government representatives, who decide what the "rules of the game" are, it shouldn't be a few rich fat cats, who only care about their wealth and power. In a democratic socialist state, you have the right to vote and elect government delegates into congress and to recall them when they're proven incompetent or corrupt. The people make the rules. A government by and for the people. What corrupts government is the lack of democracy and capitalism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

we have a 100 yrs and over 100 million dead from communism,,

we know exactly what it is,,

Oh, poor baby boy, can't have a serious discussion on capitalism and communism, pretending communism is responsible for "100 mission deaths" as if capitalism isn't responsible for its own "100 million" plus deaths. You're behaving like a pathetic, hypocritical punk. Moreover, saying that your opponent is responsible for many deaths, says nothing about whether he is ethical or not. Let's for the sake of argument assume that your stupid, arbitrary death-toll figures are correct, how does that automatically render communism unethical or incorrect?

We communists supposedly killed 100 million people. Who were they? Under what circumstances were those supposed "innocent little lambs" killed? You're a fucking pathetic punk, resorting to death-toll arguments as if capitalist imperialism has killed its millions.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So, can you now understand that a person earning his money through labor is discriminated against by our tax code in comparison to money coming from wealth? It's little wonder with our congress long known for being the best that money can buy.

Waiting for you to show me.

 

[dblack]

It's up to our government, not private for-profit companies or the wealthy's pursuit of more capital. My government, the one you and I created to serve us. The government is a social apparatus, organized by the people, to manage their large-scale socioeconomic projects and civil affairs.

That's where we disagree. I don't want a government that presumes to "manage" society. Government should protect our freedom to create the kind of society we want, collaboratively and voluntarily - not dictate its form and compel us to fall in line.

You want humanity to be bound and at the mercy of greedy capitalists, who only invest their time and money in what will profit them, not necessarily what is good for you and me. When was the last time you participated in an election at your workplace? Like never. Right? Be honest.

Nope. But feel free to look for quotes of me expressing that sentiment. And when don't find any, be honest, and report your failure, eh?

You don't know what communism actually is, only what you were told by your capitalist masters and a government run by capitalists during the Cold War.

Of course, of course. The only way anyone could possibly disagree with your views is out of ignorance.

When you're ready to have a serious, civil debate on this issue let me know.

I'm ready. Dish it up. It'd be good to skip over the usual propaganda and actually discuss ideas.

Maybe we can both learn from each other, rather than insulting each other like two 5th graders.

Seems unlikely, given the raft of usual slurs that you've opened with. But I'm game.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Typo-correction: "it shouldn't be a few rich fat cats, who only care about their wealth" , not "it should be"...

 

[progressive hunter]

Oh, poor baby boy, can't have a serious discussion on capitalism and communism, pretending communism is responsible for "100 mission deaths" as if capitalism isn't responsible for its own "100 million" plus deaths. You're behaving like a pathetic, hypocritical punk. Moreover, saying that your opponent is responsible for many deaths, says nothing about whether he is ethical or not. Let's for the sake of argument assume that your stupid, arbitrary death-toll figures are correct, how does that automatically render communism unethical or incorrect?

We communists supposedly killed 100 million people. Who were they? Under what circumstances were those supposed "innocent little lambs" killed? You're a fucking pathetic punk, resorting to death-toll arguments as if capitalist imperialism has killed its millions.

capitalism has saved more lives and brought more people out of poverty than any other system,,

communism has killed more people and put more people in poverty than any other system,,

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh, poor baby boy, can't have a serious discussion on capitalism and communism, pretending communism is responsible for "100 mission deaths" as if capitalism isn't responsible for its own "100 million" plus deaths. You're behaving like a pathetic, hypocritical punk. Moreover, saying that your opponent is responsible for many deaths, says nothing about whether he is ethical or not. Let's for the sake of argument assume that your stupid, arbitrary death-toll figures are correct, how does that automatically render communism unethical or incorrect?

We communists supposedly killed 100 million people. Who were they? Under what circumstances were those supposed "innocent little lambs" killed? You're a fucking pathetic punk, resorting to death-toll arguments as if capitalist imperialism has killed its millions.

Commies killed 100 million people, but they were all bad, eh comrade?

 

[MarathonMike]

We decide what the rules of immigration, and mass production are, along with what constitutes human rights. We decide that. You, me and everybody else.

I don't know you, but your statement above reflects a stunning level of naivete.

 

[elektra]

Why would a company post huge profits statements knowing that "the tax man cometh" for them? Sumpin ain't right here.

why are all the companies posting huge profits doing business in the Democrat president's home state of Delaware is the question that you should think about.
I do not know much about Delaware beyond a google search. I was searching S corporations and found all this which makes me suspect this is why Biden is president and so powerful.

How tax dodging and corporate secrecy found a home in Delaware, with Hal Weitzman (Ep. 94)

Scholar examines how the wealthy, global corporations exploit tax loopholes in the tiny U.S. state

news.uchicago.edu

How Delaware became an American haven for "grand corruption"

An international watchdog just called out the First State for its dangerous role in the corporate ecosystem

www.salon.com

How Delaware Became the World’s Biggest Offshore Haven

Kleptocrats, criminals, and con artists have all parked their illicit gains in the state.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[elektra]

Commies killed 100 million people, but they were all bad, eh comrade?

looks like you touched a nerve

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

looks like you touched a nerve

Everyone they killed was a criminal who burned crops and destroyed commie farm equipment.
Or said bad things about Stalin.

 

[MarathonMike]

We communists supposedly killed 100 million people. Who were they? Under what circumstances were those supposed "innocent little lambs" killed? You're a fucking pathetic punk, resorting to death-toll arguments as if capitalist imperialism has killed its millions.

Another full blown Communist shows his true colors.

 

[elektra]

Let's for the sake of argument assume that your stupid, arbitrary death-toll figures are correct, how does that automatically render communism unethical or incorrect?

We communists supposedly killed 100 million people. Who were they? Under what circumstances were those supposed "innocent little lambs" killed?

I can ignore the ridiculousness in your comment and help you here.
Communists did not supposedly killed, it is well documented. Who were they? People just like you who believed.

 

[TruthNotBS]

That's where we disagree. I don't want a government that presumes to "manage" society. Government should protect our freedom to create the kind of society we want, collaboratively and voluntarily. Not to dictate its form and compel us to comply.

Nope. But feel free to look for quotes of me expressing that sentiment. And when don't find any, be honest, and report your failure, eh?

Of course, of course. The only way anyone could possible disagree with your views is out of ignorance.

I'm ready. Dish it up. It'd be good to skip over the usual propaganda and actually discuss ideas.

Seems unlikely, given the raft of usual slurs that you've opened with. But I'm game.

That's where we disagree. I don't want a government that presumes to "manage" society. Government should protect our freedom to create the kind of society we want, collaboratively and voluntarily. Not to dictate its form and compel us to comply.

You're essentially responding to a strawman argument. Since when did I ever argue for a government that "presumes to manage society", dictating "its form" of society upon us by force? Never. I was 100% clear that we the people decide what society we're going to have, not politicians or capitalist plutocrats. You prefer for capitalists and their markets to decide what type of society we're going to have. How about? You prefer private for-profit dictatorships, companies that don't give a shit about the public good but only their "bottom line" (i.e. profits), to rule the roost. I SAY NO!

Due to the advancing, evolutionary, innovative nature of science and technology, we will be forced by necessity to adopt a non-profit, marketless, centrally planned, system of mass production, soon. This will be the only way to avoid techno-feudalism, and mass civil unrest due to gross, out-of-control inequality and scarcity. Democratic socialism is the beginning stage or level of communism, which ends with the individual consumer having complete control over production, without a government entity or anyone else. Technology will one day allow the individual person, to produce everything that they consume. That future can only come through socialism, not capitalism.

Will let me correct myself, by giving proper credit to capitalism. Without capitalism, we wouldn't be living in the modern age and there would be no socialism or high-tech communism. So as a communist I will give credit where it's due. Marx also acknowledged the virtues of capitalism in his work, Capital. Capitalism was necessary, and good, being better and more innovative than chattel slavery and feudalism. However, capitalism, eventually becomes imperialistic, cronyistic, and obsolete, as a result of advanced technology.

Socialism, which includes communism, is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism. It tips its hat to capitalism and says "Thank You Sir", and inherits its productive estate and enterprise, along with the government that it once controlled, through its cronyism.

Nope. But feel free to look for quotes of me expressing that sentiment. And when don't find any, be honest, and report your failure, eh?

What failure are you referring to? Be precise and clear.

Of course, of course. The only way anyone could possible disagree with your views is out of ignorance.

When did I ever say that? The "only way anyone" really? I never said that. That's another false charge. I'll dump it with your bullshit "100 million" innocent little lambs. death-toll figure.

I'm ready. Dish it up. It'd be good to skip over the usual propaganda and actually discuss ideas.

I already expressed my position, with plenty of propositions and claims. Just choose the points you want to "debunk", go ahead.

Seems unlikely, given the raft of usual slurs that you've opened with. But I'm game.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm simply mirroring the attitude of my capitalist opponents, who constantly resort to emotional, death-toll arguments and false assumptions about both communism and capitalism.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Another full blown Communist shows his true colors.

Yeah?

 

[TruthNotBS]

I don't know you, but your statement above reflects a stunning level of naivete.

How so? Elaborate.

 

[progressive hunter]

How so? Elaborate.

capitalism has saved more lives and brought more people out of poverty than any other system,,

communism has killed more people and put more people in poverty than any other system,,

 

[my2¢]

Waiting for you to show me.

Can you understand that 10% > 0%, 12% > 0%, 22% > 0%, 24% > 0%, etc.?

Or perhaps let's put it this way:

• The total money John received last year was $82,000
• For Paul the total was also $82,000

Who do you believe should pay more in taxes?