Is the peace process inherently flawed by a lack of understanding of Israel?

[Marc39]

hmmm....should the Palestinians be expected to lie down and die?

I thought that some of the premises laid out by the author were interesting becuase they explain Israel's obession with controlling the narrative - whether it's internationally (via AIPAC or CAMERA) or internally - by limiting coverage and access to Gaza. He may not be totally right (or wrong) but he provokes thought beyond the usual cliches.

Unfortunately, the thread has deginerated into the usual lobbing of insults from the usual parties....

"Palestinians" should be expected to sit and negotiate with Israel. They refuse to do that. Thus they refuse to have peace.

If one side picks war, and the other side doesn't engate, that side will be destroyed.

Israel has refused to sit and negotiate with the Palestinians at times.

Educate yourself so you don't look so foollish. Israel accepted Pallie statehood at Camp David in the presence of Bill Clinton. Arafat rejected the offer.

 

[CMike]

hmmm....should the Palestinians be expected to lie down and die?

I thought that some of the premises laid out by the author were interesting becuase they explain Israel's obession with controlling the narrative - whether it's internationally (via AIPAC or CAMERA) or internally - by limiting coverage and access to Gaza. He may not be totally right (or wrong) but he provokes thought beyond the usual cliches.

Unfortunately, the thread has deginerated into the usual lobbing of insults from the usual parties....

"Palestinians" should be expected to sit and negotiate with Israel. They refuse to do that. Thus they refuse to have peace.

If one side picks war, and the other side doesn't engate, that side will be destroyed.

HA! yea.. "negotiate" as in "ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS LAND IS FOR JEWS PRIMARILY AND FOREMOST".

If jews were in the pali's shoes right now we all know your big tough bravado would take a different tenor.

I want to highlight what Shogun said.

It makes my point better than anything I can say.

The arabs aren't not interested in negotiating or peace.

 

[Marc39]

HA! yea.. "negotiate" as in "ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS LAND IS FOR JEWS PRIMARILY AND FOREMOST".


If jews were in the pali's shoes right now we all know your big tough bravado would take a different tenor.

Palestine is Jewish land, moron. I'll kick your dumb ass.

The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
National Home for
THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED

Palestine of today, the land we now know as Palestine, was peopled by the Jews from the dawn of history until the Roman era. It is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. They were driven from it by force by the relentless Roman military machine and for centuries prevented from returning. At different periods various alien people succeeded them but the Jewish race had left an indelible impress upon the land.

Today it is a Jewish country. Every name, every landmark, every monument and every trace of whatever civilization remaining there is still Jewish. And it has ever since remained a hope, a longing, as expressed in their prayers for these nearly 2,000 years. No other people has ever claimed Palestine as their national home. No other people has ever shown an aptitude or indicated a genuine desire to make it their homeland. The land has been ruled by foreigners. Only since the beginning of the modern Zionist effort may it be said that a creative, cultural, and economic force has entered Palestine. The Jewish Nation was forced from its natural home. It did not go because it wanted to.

A perusal of Jewish history, a reading of Josephus, will convince the most skeptical that the grandest fight that was ever put up against an enemy was put up by the Jew. He never thought of leaving Palestine. But he was driven out. But did he, when driven out, give up his hope of getting back? Jewish history and Jewish literature give the answer to the question. The Jew even has a fast day devoted to the day of destruction of the Jewish homeland.

Never throughout history did they give up hope of returning there. I am told that 90 per cent of the Jews today are praying for the return of the Jewish people to its own home. The best minds among them believe in the necessity of reestablishing their Jewish land. To my mind there is something prophetic in the fact that during the ages no other nation has taken over Palestine and held it in the sense of a homeland; and there is something providential in the fact that for 1,800 years it has remained in desolation as if waiting for the return of the people.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Israel-History-Martin-Gilbert/dp/0688123635/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278448963&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Israel: A History (9780688123635): Martin Gilbert: Books[/ame]

Take it back to EGYPT, you fucking slave of the pharaoh. Canaan's ghosts laugh at your repeated land claim.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts.

 

[Marc39]

Thanks for making my point that the palestinians don't want peace they want the destruction of Israel.

much like Slaves wanted the "destruction of the confederacy" rather than the "destruction of America".

When Israel /= JEWISH ZIONISM then she will find the same peace that America did.

Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and the only country that recognizes freedom, human rights and civil liberties of all its citizens.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

 

[Shogun]

"Palestinians" should be expected to sit and negotiate with Israel. They refuse to do that. Thus they refuse to have peace.

If one side picks war, and the other side doesn't engate, that side will be destroyed.

HA! yea.. "negotiate" as in "ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS LAND IS FOR JEWS PRIMARILY AND FOREMOST".

If jews were in the pali's shoes right now we all know your big tough bravado would take a different tenor.

I want to highlight what Shogun said.

It makes my point better than anything I can say.

The arabs aren't not interested in negotiating or peace.

I'm glad you did highlight it. After all, denying it would be rather farcical at this point. the fact that your zionist "jewish right or wrong" mentality impedes anything even remotely promoting peace is lost on you.. but, I guess you can always call it an antisemite and cluster bomb it into oblivion.

 

[CMike]

What drives Israel is survival.

The reason the "peace process" is inherently flawed is because only one side wants peace.

The arabs want to destroy Israel, and Israel actually wants peace.

A peace process only works when both sides want peace. This is not the case.

While I disagree with your analysis...thanks for offering something besides the usual 3-Stooges refrain that's been running for several pages now
I am not convinced Israel wants peace - or at least not in any equitable way. I don't think Israel can afford peace because the terms might well mean Israel admitting to ethnic cleansing, and other wrongs and any "peace" (other than sending the Palestinians somewhere else) would alienate a small but powerful interest group. Political suicide.

Why would it admit to something it doesn't do? And what does that have to do with negotiating?

As I stated there are Israeli arabs who are citizens, serve in the IDF, and are represented in the Israeli parliament.

Israel has told the arabs that they are ready at any point to sit down and negotiate. The arabs have said no. Therefore, it's rather clear who is working toward peace and who isn't.

If the arabs had any desire for peace they would at least come to the negotiating table.

Israel desperately wants peace. Just look at a map and you can see why.

 

[Shogun]

Palestine is Jewish land, moron. I'll kick your dumb ass.

The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
National Home for
THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED

Amazon.com: Israel: A History (9780688123635): Martin Gilbert: Books

Take it back to EGYPT, you fucking slave of the pharaoh. Canaan's ghosts laugh at your repeated land claim.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts.

Go stoke your inner thigh while thinking on lot's wisdom, poacher.

 

[Marc39]

HA! yea.. "negotiate" as in "ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS LAND IS FOR JEWS PRIMARILY AND FOREMOST".

If jews were in the pali's shoes right now we all know your big tough bravado would take a different tenor.

I want to highlight what Shogun said.

It makes my point better than anything I can say.

The arabs aren't not interested in negotiating or peace.

I'm glad you did highlight it. After all, denying it would be rather farcical at this point. the fact that your zionist "jewish right or wrong" mentality impedes anything even remotely promoting peace is lost on you.. but, I guess you can always call it an antisemite and cluster bomb it into oblivion.

Israel accepted Pallie statehood at Camp David in the presence of Bill Clinton. Arafat rejected it.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

 

[CMike]

HA! yea.. "negotiate" as in "ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS LAND IS FOR JEWS PRIMARILY AND FOREMOST".

If jews were in the pali's shoes right now we all know your big tough bravado would take a different tenor.

I want to highlight what Shogun said.

It makes my point better than anything I can say.

The arabs aren't not interested in negotiating or peace.

I'm glad you did highlight it. After all, denying it would be rather farcical at this point. the fact that your zionist "jewish right or wrong" mentality impedes anything even remotely promoting peace is lost on you.. but, I guess you can always call it an antisemite and cluster bomb it into oblivion.

I am happy to highlight it again.

And I am very grateful to you.

 

[Marc39]

Take it back to EGYPT, you fucking slave of the pharaoh. Canaan's ghosts laugh at your repeated land claim.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts.

Go stoke your inner thigh while thinking on lot's wisdom, poacher.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

 

[Shogun]

What drives Israel is survival.

The reason the "peace process" is inherently flawed is because only one side wants peace.

The arabs want to destroy Israel, and Israel actually wants peace.

A peace process only works when both sides want peace. This is not the case.

While I disagree with your analysis...thanks for offering something besides the usual 3-Stooges refrain that's been running for several pages now
I am not convinced Israel wants peace - or at least not in any equitable way. I don't think Israel can afford peace because the terms might well mean Israel admitting to ethnic cleansing, and other wrongs and any "peace" (other than sending the Palestinians somewhere else) would alienate a small but powerful interest group. Political suicide.

Why would it admit to something it doesn't do? And what does that have to do with negotiating?

As I stated there are Israeli arabs who are citizens, serve in the IDF, and are represented in the Israeli parliament.

Israel has told the arabs that they are ready at any point to sit down and negotiate. The arabs have said no. Therefore, it's rather clear who is working toward peace and who isn't.

If the arabs had any desire for peace they would at least come to the negotiating table.

Israel desperately wants peace. Just look at a map and you can see why.

Apparently, because Hiram Revels was elected as a Senator then there wasn't any racial equality issues in... 1870.





I know I know.. if slaves wanted freedom then they should have come to the negotiating whipping post.

 

[Marc39]

While I disagree with your analysis...thanks for offering something besides the usual 3-Stooges refrain that's been running for several pages now
I am not convinced Israel wants peace - or at least not in any equitable way. I don't think Israel can afford peace because the terms might well mean Israel admitting to ethnic cleansing, and other wrongs and any "peace" (other than sending the Palestinians somewhere else) would alienate a small but powerful interest group. Political suicide.

Why would it admit to something it doesn't do? And what does that have to do with negotiating?

As I stated there are Israeli arabs who are citizens, serve in the IDF, and are represented in the Israeli parliament.

Israel has told the arabs that they are ready at any point to sit down and negotiate. The arabs have said no. Therefore, it's rather clear who is working toward peace and who isn't.

If the arabs had any desire for peace they would at least come to the negotiating table.

Israel desperately wants peace. Just look at a map and you can see why.

Apparently, because Hiram Revels was elected as a Senator then there wasn't any racial equality issues in... 1870.





I know I know.. if slaves wanted freedom then they should have come to the negotiating whipping post.

Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, dopey. All Israeli Arabs are the freeist in the Middle East.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

 

[Shogun]

I want to highlight what Shogun said.

It makes my point better than anything I can say.

The arabs aren't not interested in negotiating or peace.

I'm glad you did highlight it. After all, denying it would be rather farcical at this point. the fact that your zionist "jewish right or wrong" mentality impedes anything even remotely promoting peace is lost on you.. but, I guess you can always call it an antisemite and cluster bomb it into oblivion.

I am happy to highlight it again.

And I am very grateful to you.

I'm sure you are. It must give you action in the pants seeing mention of a jews-only israel highlighted and bolded in red.



I am under no misnomer about the racist zionism that fuels your input.

 

[CMike]

I want to highlight what Shogun said.

It makes my point better than anything I can say.

The arabs aren't not interested in negotiating or peace.

I'm glad you did highlight it. After all, denying it would be rather farcical at this point. the fact that your zionist "jewish right or wrong" mentality impedes anything even remotely promoting peace is lost on you.. but, I guess you can always call it an antisemite and cluster bomb it into oblivion.

Israel accepted Pallie statehood at Camp David in the presence of Bill Clinton. Arafat rejected it.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

That's exactly right. They were offered statehood, and they refused.

 

[Marc39]

I'm glad you did highlight it. After all, denying it would be rather farcical at this point. the fact that your zionist "jewish right or wrong" mentality impedes anything even remotely promoting peace is lost on you.. but, I guess you can always call it an antisemite and cluster bomb it into oblivion.

I am happy to highlight it again.

And I am very grateful to you.

I'm sure you are. It must give you action in the pants seeing mention of a jews-only israel highlighted and bolded in red.



I am under no misnomer about the racist zionism that fuels your input.

The 60 Islamic cesspools are virtually 100% Muslim.

Israel is the only pluralistic country in the Middle East. Arabs are represented in the highest levels of government, the judiciary and military.

Jews are not accorded such rights in Islamic countries. In fact, Jews are virtually banned from Muslim countries.

Now, you know, dummy.

 

[Shogun]

I'm glad you did highlight it. After all, denying it would be rather farcical at this point. the fact that your zionist "jewish right or wrong" mentality impedes anything even remotely promoting peace is lost on you.. but, I guess you can always call it an antisemite and cluster bomb it into oblivion.

Israel accepted Pallie statehood at Camp David in the presence of Bill Clinton. Arafat rejected it.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

That's exactly right. They were offered statehood, and they refused.

at what PRICE?

 

[Shogun]

I am happy to highlight it again.

And I am very grateful to you.

I'm sure you are. It must give you action in the pants seeing mention of a jews-only israel highlighted and bolded in red.



I am under no misnomer about the racist zionism that fuels your input.

The 60 Islamic cesspools are virtually 100% Muslim.

Israel is the only pluralistic country in the Middle East. Arabs are represented in the highest levels of government, the judiciary and military.

Jews are not accorded such rights in Islamic countries. In fact, Jews are virtually banned from Muslim countries.

Now, you know, dummy.

Your ethnic hatred of non-jewish nations doesn't validate your acceptance of hatred in zionist israel, Lot39. Hell, even Iran's jews prefer their home to zionists like you.

THATs gotta sting!

 

[Marc39]

Israel accepted Pallie statehood at Camp David in the presence of Bill Clinton. Arafat rejected it.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

That's exactly right. They were offered statehood, and they refused.

at what PRICE?

At the price of Arafat launching an intifada of Pallie suicide monkeys killing 1,000 Israelis and wounding 6,000 more.

You're too uneducated to know this.

 

[CMike]

Israel accepted Pallie statehood at Camp David in the presence of Bill Clinton. Arafat rejected it.

Take your anxiety medication. You lower the IQ of each thread you post in, numbnuts

That's exactly right. They were offered statehood, and they refused.

at what PRICE?

What price?

 

[Marc39]

I'm sure you are. It must give you action in the pants seeing mention of a jews-only israel highlighted and bolded in red.



I am under no misnomer about the racist zionism that fuels your input.

The 60 Islamic cesspools are virtually 100% Muslim.

Israel is the only pluralistic country in the Middle East. Arabs are represented in the highest levels of government, the judiciary and military.

Jews are not accorded such rights in Islamic countries. In fact, Jews are virtually banned from Muslim countries.

Now, you know, dummy.

Your ethnic hatred of non-jewish nations doesn't validate your acceptance of hatred in zionist israel, Lot39. Hell, even Iran's jews prefer their home to zionists like you.

THATs gotta sting!

You really are mentally ill.