Is the peace process inherently flawed by a lack of understanding of Israel?

Wikipedia is sufficient for mental midgets like you.

Israel is one of very few countries in the Middle East with legal standing, dummy.

Even the recognition by the UN is strictly political. A legitimate state must have defined borders. Israel does not have any borders. The UN uses the 1949 armistice lines as Israel's borders. All the politically motivated maps have the armistice line as Israel's borders.

The 1949 armistice agreement specifically stated that the armistice lines are not to be used as national or political borders.

Palestine has defined and recognized borders. Israel does not. Israel is inside Palestine. Whatever is called Israel is inside Palestine.

Dummy, the binding San Remo Resolution and League of Nations Palestine Mandate legally establish Palestine as the Jewish homeland. The League's original coordinates extended from Eastern Palestine, now Jordan, to the Med. Sea.

The UN merely provided international legitimacy to Israeli statehood.

In fact, Israel is the only country in the world with both League of Nations and UN endorsements.

Now, you know, dummy.

That is why the UN recognizes Israel within borders that are specifically not borders. It is strictly a political not a legal recognition.

BTW, you have never answered why the foreigners accepted a part of Palestine in 1947 when they got the whole pie 25 years earlier.
 
Even the recognition by the UN is strictly political. A legitimate state must have defined borders. Israel does not have any borders. The UN uses the 1949 armistice lines as Israel's borders. All the politically motivated maps have the armistice line as Israel's borders.

The 1949 armistice agreement specifically stated that the armistice lines are not to be used as national or political borders.

Palestine has defined and recognized borders. Israel does not. Israel is inside Palestine. Whatever is called Israel is inside Palestine.

Dummy, the binding San Remo Resolution and League of Nations Palestine Mandate legally establish Palestine as the Jewish homeland. The League's original coordinates extended from Eastern Palestine, now Jordan, to the Med. Sea.

The UN merely provided international legitimacy to Israeli statehood.

In fact, Israel is the only country in the world with both League of Nations and UN endorsements.

Now, you know, dummy.

That is why the UN recognizes Israel within borders that are specifically not borders. It is strictly a political not a legal recognition.

BTW, you have never answered why the foreigners accepted a part of Palestine in 1947 when they got the whole pie 25 years earlier.

The duties of the UN do not include establishing states' borders, dummy. You have been instructed on this previously, dummy.
 
Dummy, the binding San Remo Resolution and League of Nations Palestine Mandate legally establish Palestine as the Jewish homeland. The League's original coordinates extended from Eastern Palestine, now Jordan, to the Med. Sea.

The UN merely provided international legitimacy to Israeli statehood.

In fact, Israel is the only country in the world with both League of Nations and UN endorsements.

Now, you know, dummy.

That is why the UN recognizes Israel within borders that are specifically not borders. It is strictly a political not a legal recognition.

BTW, you have never answered why the foreigners accepted a part of Palestine in 1947 when they got the whole pie 25 years earlier.

The duties of the UN do not include establishing states' borders, dummy. You have been instructed on this previously, dummy.

The UN does not establish borders but it cannot recognize a state that has none. That is why it politically recognizes Israel within non borders.

BTW, you have never answered why the foreigners accepted a part of Palestine in 1947 when they got the whole pie 25 years earlier.
 
That is why the UN recognizes Israel within borders that are specifically not borders. It is strictly a political not a legal recognition.

BTW, you have never answered why the foreigners accepted a part of Palestine in 1947 when they got the whole pie 25 years earlier.

The duties of the UN do not include establishing states' borders, dummy. You have been instructed on this previously, dummy.

The UN does not establish borders but it cannot recognize a state that has none. That is why it politically recognizes Israel within non borders.

BTW, you have never answered why the foreigners accepted a part of Palestine in 1947 when they got the whole pie 25 years earlier.

Dummy, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, as everyone knows.
 
The duties of the UN do not include establishing states' borders, dummy. You have been instructed on this previously, dummy.

The UN does not establish borders but it cannot recognize a state that has none. That is why it politically recognizes Israel within non borders.

BTW, you have never answered why the foreigners accepted a part of Palestine in 1947 when they got the whole pie 25 years earlier.

Dummy, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, as everyone knows.

Oh really. Is that rant your proof that I am wrong?
 
As someone who born here, went to the army and been raise here all my life there are 3main reasons for the failure of peace process between Israel and the Palestinians:

1)The Palestinians are not united an agreement made with one group is not respected and accepted by the second group and vice versa. The wars between them is more severe violence then their war against Israel.

2) More then 90% Israelis who live here want peace and will vote yes for a two state solution 99% from those pepole believe that Hamas is not a partner because his interests are not Palestinian interests there are Iranian and Syrian interests.

3)Hamas declared repeatedly that his goal is the destruction of Israel and not peace with Israel.

* The artical said "most of the Israeli Jews are still fed daily by media that hides from them the realities of occupation, stagnation or discrimination." - Everyone who live here know that this is not possible!!!! Israeli army built from country's citizens. I was in the army, my friends, my family, people who work with me, people i learned with and etc.. How in such a situation you can hide something from the pepole? When we want to know what happened or is happening in Gaza or somewere else here we dont turn on the TV we call our friend, a family member, someone we know there and ask him what happen.
Plus most of the Israeli pepole were in Gaza in their military service, through various voluntary, introductory tours and etc...
 
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As someone who born here, went to the army and been raise here all my life there are 3main reasons for the failure of peace process between Israel and the Palestinians:

1)The Palestinians are not united an agreement made with one group is not respected and accepted by the second group and vice versa. The wars between them is more severe violence then their war against Israel.

The major division is between Abbas (who left the government in 2007 and set up an illegal government with the help of US money and weapons) and everyone else that includes Hamas.

2) More then 90% Israelis who live here want peace and will vote yes for a two state solution 99% from those pepole believe that Hamas is not a partner because his interests are not Palestinian interests there are Iranian and Syrian interests.

The majority of the people in Israel will accept a two state solution. The Palestinians, including Hamas, will accept a two state solution. The world in general supports a two state solution. It seems that everyone is for a two state solution, so, why is it not happening?

3)Hamas declared repeatedly that his goal is the destruction of Israel and not peace with Israel.

What Hamas says repeatedly is that they will never recognize the "right" of Israel to disposes the Palestinians and occupy their land. I cannot find that right either.

* The artical said "most of the Israeli Jews are still fed daily by media that hides from them the realities of occupation, stagnation or discrimination." - Everyone who live here know that this is not possible!!!! Israeli army built from country's citizens. I was in the army, my friends, my family, people who work with me, people i learned with and etc.. How in such a situation you can hide something from the pepole? When we want to know what happened or is happening in Gaza or somewere else here we dont turn on the TV we call our friend, a family member, someone we know there and ask him what happen.
Plus most of the Israeli pepole were in Gaza in their military service, through various voluntary, introductory tours and etc...

International law states that people have the right to resist the occupation of their land. Do you believe that the Palestinians have the right to resist Israel's occupation of their land?

Just asking.
 
Debating the legality of war or the right of nations to exist is rather a waste of precious time.

That national and international laws are somehow moral and just is a persistent fiction because it takes because men with guns, or men with men with guns standing behind them, to enforce those laws.

And those men armed with men with guns standing behind them write the laws to suit their own purposes.

As we are all (mostly) the benefacticiaries of these fictions, we usually agree to not notice this reality elephant in our houses --houses which are merely supported by fictions.

It's usually not until that reality elephant is rampaging though our particular houses that we're willing to admit that what we agreed to is a nothing more than a myth we tell ourselves so we can sleep at night.
 
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Some of the staunchest supporters of Palestine are Palestinian Christians.

Less than 5 percent of Pallies are Christian, dummy.

Their numbers are small but they enjoy broad support from the Muslim community.

Except, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, dummy.

"Palestine's Christians Suffer Persecution"
Palestine’s Christians Continue to Suffer Persecution | Christian News on Christian Today
 
Debating the legality of war or the right of nations to exist is rather a waste of precious time.

That national and international laws are somehow moral and just is a persistent fiction because it takes because men with guns, or men with men with guns standing behind them, to enforce those laws.

And those men armed with men with guns standing behind them write the laws to suit their own purposes.

As we are all (mostly) the benefacticiaries of these fictions, we usually agree to not notice this reality elephant in our houses --houses which are merely supported by fictions.

It's usually not until that reality elephant is rampaging though our particular houses that we're willing to admit that what we agreed to is a nothing more than a myth we tell ourselves so we can sleep at night.

Debating the legality of states is particularly important to this conflict.

The view in the west is that Israel is a legitimate state defending itself from Muslims because they hate Jews.

The view in the east is that Israel is an illegitimate state that occupies Palestine.

The narratives that flow from these two views are quite different.

It is interesting to note that the Palestinians have consistently stated that enforcing international law is the best and only way to end the conflict.
 
Debating the legality of war or the right of nations to exist is rather a waste of precious time.

That national and international laws are somehow moral and just is a persistent fiction because it takes because men with guns, or men with men with guns standing behind them, to enforce those laws.

And those men armed with men with guns standing behind them write the laws to suit their own purposes.

As we are all (mostly) the benefacticiaries of these fictions, we usually agree to not notice this reality elephant in our houses --houses which are merely supported by fictions.

It's usually not until that reality elephant is rampaging though our particular houses that we're willing to admit that what we agreed to is a nothing more than a myth we tell ourselves so we can sleep at night.

Debating the legality of states is particularly important to this conflict.

The view in the west is that Israel is a legitimate state defending itself from Muslims because they hate Jews.

The view in the east is that Israel is an illegitimate state that occupies Palestine.

The narratives that flow from these two views are quite different.

It is interesting to note that the Palestinians have consistently stated that enforcing international law is the best and only way to end the conflict.

Dummy, Israel is the only country in the Middle East with international legitimacy endorsed by both the League of Nations and the UN.

Most Arab countries were just invented out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire after WW I.

Israel existed in antiquity not once but twice.

Now, you know, dummy.
 
Debating the legality of war or the right of nations to exist is rather a waste of precious time.

That national and international laws are somehow moral and just is a persistent fiction because it takes because men with guns, or men with men with guns standing behind them, to enforce those laws.

And those men armed with men with guns standing behind them write the laws to suit their own purposes.

As we are all (mostly) the benefacticiaries of these fictions, we usually agree to not notice this reality elephant in our houses --houses which are merely supported by fictions.

It's usually not until that reality elephant is rampaging though our particular houses that we're willing to admit that what we agreed to is a nothing more than a myth we tell ourselves so we can sleep at night.

Debating the legality of states is particularly important to this conflict.

The view in the west is that Israel is a legitimate state defending itself from Muslims because they hate Jews.

The view in the east is that Israel is an illegitimate state that occupies Palestine.

The narratives that flow from these two views are quite different.

It is interesting to note that the Palestinians have consistently stated that enforcing international law is the best and only way to end the conflict.

Dummy, Israel is the only country in the Middle East with international legitimacy endorsed by both the League of Nations and the UN.

Most Arab countries were just invented out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire after WW I.

Israel existed in antiquity not once but twice.

Now, you know, dummy.

OK, now we have the Israeli propaganda view.
 
Debating the legality of war or the right of nations to exist is rather a waste of precious time.

That national and international laws are somehow moral and just is a persistent fiction because it takes because men with guns, or men with men with guns standing behind them, to enforce those laws.

And those men armed with men with guns standing behind them write the laws to suit their own purposes.

As we are all (mostly) the benefacticiaries of these fictions, we usually agree to not notice this reality elephant in our houses --houses which are merely supported by fictions.

It's usually not until that reality elephant is rampaging though our particular houses that we're willing to admit that what we agreed to is a nothing more than a myth we tell ourselves so we can sleep at night.

Debating the legality of states is particularly important to this conflict.

The view in the west is that Israel is a legitimate state defending itself from Muslims because they hate Jews.

The view in the east is that Israel is an illegitimate state that occupies Palestine.

The narratives that flow from these two views are quite different.

It is interesting to note that the Palestinians have consistently stated that enforcing international law is the best and only way to end the conflict.

Dummy, Israel is the only country in the Middle East with international legitimacy endorsed by both the League of Nations and the UN.

Most Arab countries were just invented out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire after WW I.

Israel existed in antiquity not once but twice.

Now, you know, dummy.

The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[16]

For John Quigley Palestine's existence as a state predates the 1988 declaration. Tracing Palestine's status as an international entity back to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after World War I, he recalls that the Palestine Mandate (1918–1948), an arrangement made under Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, held as its "ultimate objective", the "self-determination and independence of the people concerned." He says that in explicitly referring to the Covenant, the 1988 declaration was reaffirming an existing Palestinian statehood.[126] Noting that Palestine under the Mandate entered into bilateral treaties, including one with Great Britain, the Mandatory power, he cites this as an example of its "sovereignty" at that time. He also notes the corollary of the Stimson Doctrine and the customary prohibition on the use of force contained in the Restatement of Foreign Relations Law of the United States, "[a]n entity does not necessarily cease to be a state even if all of its territory has been occupied by a foreign power".[85]

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Debating the legality of states is particularly important to this conflict.

The view in the west is that Israel is a legitimate state defending itself from Muslims because they hate Jews.

The view in the east is that Israel is an illegitimate state that occupies Palestine.

The narratives that flow from these two views are quite different.

It is interesting to note that the Palestinians have consistently stated that enforcing international law is the best and only way to end the conflict.

Dummy, Israel is the only country in the Middle East with international legitimacy endorsed by both the League of Nations and the UN.

Most Arab countries were just invented out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire after WW I.

Israel existed in antiquity not once but twice.

Now, you know, dummy.

The League of Nations' Palestine Mandate establishes Palestine as the Jewish homeland.
 
Dummy, Israel is the only country in the Middle East with international legitimacy endorsed by both the League of Nations and the UN.

Most Arab countries were just invented out of the ashes of the Ottoman Empire after WW I.

Israel existed in antiquity not once but twice.

Now, you know, dummy.

The League of Nations' Palestine Mandate establishes Palestine as the Jewish homeland.

Then why did the foreigners accept part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 25 years earlier?
 
The League of Nations' Palestine Mandate establishes Palestine as the Jewish homeland.

Then why did the foreigners accept part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 25 years earlier?

Palestine is Jewish land, dummy.

The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
National Home for
THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED
Palestine of today, the land we now know as Palestine, was peopled by the Jews from the dawn of history until the Roman era. It is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. They were driven from it by force by the relentless Roman military machine and for centuries prevented from returning. At different periods various alien people succeeded them but the Jewish race had left an indelible impress upon the land.

Today it is a Jewish country. Every name, every landmark, every monument and every trace of whatever civilization remaining there is still Jewish. And it has ever since remained a hope, a longing, as expressed in their prayers for these nearly 2,000 years. No other people has ever claimed Palestine as their national home. No other people has ever shown an aptitude or indicated a genuine desire to make it their homeland. The land has been ruled by foreigners. Only since the beginning of the modern Zionist effort may it be said that a creative, cultural, and economic force has entered Palestine. The Jewish Nation was forced from its natural home. It did not go because it wanted to.

A perusal of Jewish history, a reading of Josephus, will convince the most skeptical that the grandest fight that was ever put up against an enemy was put up by the Jew. He never thought of leaving Palestine. But he was driven out. But did he, when driven out, give up his hope of getting back? Jewish history and Jewish literature give the answer to the question. The Jew even has a fast day devoted to the day of destruction of the Jewish homeland.

Never throughout history did they give up hope of returning there. I am told that 90 per cent of the Jews today are praying for the return of the Jewish people to its own home. The best minds among them believe in the necessity of reestablishing their Jewish land. To my mind there is something prophetic in the fact that during the ages no other nation has taken over Palestine and held it in the sense of a homeland; and there is something providential in the fact that for 1,800 years it has remained in desolation as if waiting for the return of the people.
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Then why did the foreigners accept part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 25 years earlier?

Palestine is Jewish land, dummy.

The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
National Home for
THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED
Palestine of today, the land we now know as Palestine, was peopled by the Jews from the dawn of history until the Roman era. It is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people. They were driven from it by force by the relentless Roman military machine and for centuries prevented from returning. At different periods various alien people succeeded them but the Jewish race had left an indelible impress upon the land.

Today it is a Jewish country. Every name, every landmark, every monument and every trace of whatever civilization remaining there is still Jewish. And it has ever since remained a hope, a longing, as expressed in their prayers for these nearly 2,000 years. No other people has ever claimed Palestine as their national home. No other people has ever shown an aptitude or indicated a genuine desire to make it their homeland. The land has been ruled by foreigners. Only since the beginning of the modern Zionist effort may it be said that a creative, cultural, and economic force has entered Palestine. The Jewish Nation was forced from its natural home. It did not go because it wanted to.

A perusal of Jewish history, a reading of Josephus, will convince the most skeptical that the grandest fight that was ever put up against an enemy was put up by the Jew. He never thought of leaving Palestine. But he was driven out. But did he, when driven out, give up his hope of getting back? Jewish history and Jewish literature give the answer to the question. The Jew even has a fast day devoted to the day of destruction of the Jewish homeland.

Never throughout history did they give up hope of returning there. I am told that 90 per cent of the Jews today are praying for the return of the Jewish people to its own home. The best minds among them believe in the necessity of reestablishing their Jewish land. To my mind there is something prophetic in the fact that during the ages no other nation has taken over Palestine and held it in the sense of a homeland; and there is something providential in the fact that for 1,800 years it has remained in desolation as if waiting for the return of the people.
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Israel-History-Martin-Gilbert/dp/0688123635/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278380333&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Israel: A History (9780688123635): Martin Gilbert: Books[/ame]

Irrelevant!

Then why did the foreigners accept part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 25 years earlier?
 
Palestine is Jewish land, dummy.

The United States Congressional Record
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
National Home for
THE JEWISH PEOPLE JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360 - UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED

Amazon.com: Israel: A History (9780688123635): Martin Gilbert: Books

Irrelevant!

Then why did the foreigners accept part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie 25 years earlier?

Relevant, dummy.

Even Allah says Palestine is the Jewish Holy Land...

Quran 17:104---
And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.
 
Even Allah says Palestine is the Jewish Holy Land...

Quran 17:104---
And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.

This passage is talking about the return of the Jews to Jerusalem after the first warning to behave themselves.

You are avoiding the rest - what happened after the last (second) warning in your own quote came to pass?

Qu'ran tells us:

17:7 If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power.

and furthermore

17:8 It may be that your Lord may (yet) show Mercy unto you; but if ye revert (to your sins), We shall revert (to Our punishments): And we have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith).

Your cherry-picked passage completely ignores the context.
 

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