Is Jesus the Word of God?

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I thought Jesus was the son of God..

He's also god. He fathered himself by raping an unmarried virgin, dead beat dad dumped her when she got pregnant, an itinerant carpenter raised the kid (who is also god), then, some 30-ish years later, came back and had Jesus (who is also god) tortured and killed but for only three days.

And that's how we got chocolate easter eggs.

Interestingly, the christian myth is pretty much the same as other, earlier myths, all of which are The One True God.

Question for the OP - If god is a god, why does he need illiterate sheep herders to flog his rules and regulations, most of which just say, one your knees bub or burn in hell hell forever?

Seriously, as I wrote, the bible and the beliefs, rites, rituals, etc are very much like other religions. Why did the bible's authors copy those?

Hint: Ask the catholics.

That awkward moment when the socialists show up to subordinate religion.

 

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The law says "thou shall not murder."

When Jesus said, "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" he was referring to the deception of Adam and Eve when the talking serpent misrepresented the command of God resulting in their death and expulsion from Eden.."In the day you eat of it you will surely die." Yet they continued to exist in a degraded state.

According to Jesus the subject of the law to not murder is not about homicide.

A murderer, in the eyes of God, is whoever misrepresented scripture and screwed up your mind when you were just a supple and tender lad..

Ever since then you have been slowly degenerating into a golem, an artificial creature, a shapeless mass, a body without a soul, exactly like Adam slowly returning to the dust of the earth in the fairy tale.

You seek the truth? You want to know what it is to live again?

Try harder.

Two things here in ur post. One 'that shapeless mass' a human (adam) who is in a deep sleep is totally unaware of the soul that was put within it (the human body being the garden area with a mouth that it is responsible to maintain).

Two when Paul said he died daily was he talking about his flesh? Paul is saying he died to those carnal precepts he'd been taught to follow by carnal minded teachers daily, no? When one is awakening they are dying to the precepts that are of the world which is a carnal grave for the beastly portions (son of perdition) within each and everyone that must be overcome by the anointing of Jehovah's Salvation with us aka Jesus Christ.

I personally do not have the same negative view of what you call the carnal mind. I see it as an indication of an indwelling perversion in the mind of the person who does.

How can a person even be at enmity with what they are as human beings unless there exists a spiritual perversion within their own mind, like a malicious brain eating thought virus that makes the world that you are living in and even your own inclinations as a human being seem evil?

Because we have a standard for what good is. That's how.

What you are endorsing is amorality which leads to anarchy and chaos not order and harmony.

 

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The law says "thou shall not murder."

When Jesus said, "Satan was a murderer from the beginning" he was referring to the deception of Adam and Eve when the talking serpent misrepresented the command of God resulting in their death and expulsion from Eden.."In the day you eat of it you will surely die." Yet they continued to exist in a degraded state.

According to Jesus the subject of the law to not murder is not about homicide.

A murderer, in the eyes of God, is whoever misrepresented scripture and screwed up your mind when you were just a supple and tender lad..

Ever since then you have been slowly degenerating into a golem, an artificial creature, a shapeless mass, a body without a soul, exactly like Adam slowly returning to the dust of the earth in the fairy tale.

You seek the truth? You want to know what it is to live again?

Try harder.

Two things here in ur post. One 'that shapeless mass' a human (adam) who is in a deep sleep is totally unaware of the soul that was put within it (the human body being the garden area with a mouth that it is responsible to maintain).

Two when Paul said he died daily was he talking about his flesh? Paul is saying he died to those carnal precepts he'd been taught to follow by carnal minded teachers daily, no? When one is awakening they are dying to the precepts that are of the world which is a carnal grave for the beastly portions (son of perdition) within each and everyone that must be overcome by the anointing of Jehovah's Salvation with us aka Jesus Christ.

I personally do not have the same negative view of what you call the carnal mind. I see it as an indication of an indwelling perversion of the person who does.

How can a person even be at enmity with what they are as human beings unless there exists a spiritual perversion within their own mind, like a malicious brain eating thought virus that makes the world that you are living in and even your own inclinations as a human being seem evil?

Describe exactly what you think I am referring to when I say a carnal mind since you apparently think you have that all down pat.

I don't have the time...

No. You don't have an answer.

 

[ding]

a first century undercover law enforcement mole who pretended to be saved specifically to hijack the movement, insuring the gentiles would be cursed and the Jews would never accept Jesus as the messiah..

You know this how?

 

[ding]

I don't care if the book was written yesterday. It doesn't matter in the least. It is about one thing or another.

Words have meaning. Your inability to discern that meaning, the fact that you can't even try, is evidence of the death that you do not believe you are under. Evidence that what is written in the book is the truth.

Words have meaning, I totally agree. "World wide flood" and "murder" come to mind. Both of which you don't know what they mean.

In the context of scripture words convey meanings that are not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used concealing the subjects of the teaching from those who do not think very deeply as effectively if it was locked in a dark vault hidden in a secret chamber.


Are you still wondering if my dick works sweetcheeks? Is that what you really want to know?

So you're taking the bible and giving its stories another meaning than what was intended. Brah, you're a fraud, and you're completely lost, living in a made up world where words have made up meanings.

The people who wrote the bible were ignorant bubkins who thought that some invisible being actually made everything in 6 days and then drowned nearly everyone in a world wide flood that lasted 40 days. To say now that they were not ignorant because their stories mean something else is pure buffoonery. But funny.

Your ignorance is proof of nothing. You blather on about how evil the God that you do not believe exists is. What next, a rant on the evil Santa Claus and his lawlessness for breaking into people's homes? Or perhaps we can learn that there really is no egg laying Easter bunny.

G-d isn't evil.

pretend religious types are

Don't be so hard on YOUR people, Jillian.

The Jews have good points too.

 

[undertherqadar]

Like Louis C.K. Knows lol

A wise educated person he was

“Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”
―Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson's Religious Beliefs | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

1813 May 31. (Jefferson to Richard Rush). "... the subject of religion, a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his maker, in which no other, & far less the public, had a right to intermeddle."14

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason.

Benjamin Franklin


I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.

Benjamin Franklin

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah, well if the big bad wolf ate grandma why are grandmothers still around?

Stumped? lol....

Maybe now you can explain to me how the thousands of years old story of a catastrophic weeks long deluge of torrential rain got to every continent around the world in places that never heard about Noah if nothing happened?

Magic?

I know, your god makes no sense. Maybe now you'll realize it as well.

No what doesn’t make sense? He sent the flood and the people died but it wasn’t murder and he’s not a wizard so it wasn’t magic.

Hypothetically, if I blow up the Hoover dam and the ensuing flood kills people, I'm guilty of murder. Yes or no?

Yes, you are guilty of violating the state law that covers unlawful death. God is not bound by state law, federal law, or world law. Consequently, he would not be guilty of murder, unless there is a higher law against unlawful taking of life, that he is answerable to.

"thou shall not kill". It's god's law, and he broke it.

God's law for man.

Not God's law for himself.

 

[Taz]

I know, your god makes no sense. Maybe now you'll realize it as well.

No what doesn’t make sense? He sent the flood and the people died but it wasn’t murder and he’s not a wizard so it wasn’t magic.

Hypothetically, if I blow up the Hoover dam and the ensuing flood kills people, I'm guilty of murder. Yes or no?

Yes, you are guilty of violating the state law that covers unlawful death. God is not bound by state law, federal law, or world law. Consequently, he would not be guilty of murder, unless there is a higher law against unlawful taking of life, that he is answerable to.

"thou shall not kill". It's god's law, and he broke it.

God's law for man.

Not God's law for himself.

Where does it say that?

 

[Taz]

You're way too gullible, that book was written a minimum of several generations after the facts.

Anyways, god in that book said "thou shall not murder", which means do not kill, no matter how you try to rationalize away from that.

Btw, your brain is dead. Probably your dick as well.

I don't care if the book was written yesterday. It doesn't matter in the least. It is about one thing or another.

Words have meaning. Your inability to discern that meaning, the fact that you can't even try, is evidence of the death that you do not believe you are under. Evidence that what is written in the book is the truth.

Words have meaning, I totally agree. "World wide flood" and "murder" come to mind. Both of which you don't know what they mean.

In the context of scripture words convey meanings that are not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used concealing the subjects of the teaching from those who do not think very deeply as effectively if it was locked in a dark vault hidden in a secret chamber.


Are you still wondering if my dick works sweetcheeks? Is that what you really want to know?

So you're taking the bible and giving its stories another meaning than what was intended. Brah, you're a fraud, and you're completely lost, living in a made up world where words have made up meanings.

The people who wrote the bible were ignorant bubkins who thought that some invisible being actually made everything in 6 days and then drowned nearly everyone in a world wide flood that lasted 40 days. To say now that they were not ignorant because their stories mean something else is pure buffoonery. But funny.

Your ignorance is proof of nothing. You blather on about how evil the God that you do not believe exists is. What next, a rant on the evil Santa Claus and his lawlessness for breaking into people's homes? Or perhaps we can learn that there really is no egg laying Easter bunny.

So you’re comparing your god to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?Good for you.

 

[koshergrl]

No what doesn’t make sense? He sent the flood and the people died but it wasn’t murder and he’s not a wizard so it wasn’t magic.

Hypothetically, if I blow up the Hoover dam and the ensuing flood kills people, I'm guilty of murder. Yes or no?

Yes, you are guilty of violating the state law that covers unlawful death. God is not bound by state law, federal law, or world law. Consequently, he would not be guilty of murder, unless there is a higher law against unlawful taking of life, that he is answerable to.

"thou shall not kill". It's god's law, and he broke it.

God's law for man.

Not God's law for himself.

Where does it say that?

Where does it say God isn't allowed to kill?

 

[toobfreak]

there is no god/etc

For You.

for anybody

Sit on it, moron. Are you so delusional to think you can tell me what I've seen and experienced or not? I know you're an ass, don't prove to the whole group that you are a childishly arrogant ass as well.

 

[MaryL]

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

I am an adult, been around the block a few times. Agnostic since I was 13. Mockery seems by now so cheap and meaningless and hurtful. Perhaps in an alternate part of the multiverse, Jesus is the son of god, granted. Maybe this is that universe. But...still, what kind of god just can't fix the broken world without believers believing and all that hoodoo?

 

[EGR one]

I don't care if the book was written yesterday. It doesn't matter in the least. It is about one thing or another.

Words have meaning. Your inability to discern that meaning, the fact that you can't even try, is evidence of the death that you do not believe you are under. Evidence that what is written in the book is the truth.

Words have meaning, I totally agree. "World wide flood" and "murder" come to mind. Both of which you don't know what they mean.

In the context of scripture words convey meanings that are not directly connected to the literal meanings of the words used concealing the subjects of the teaching from those who do not think very deeply as effectively if it was locked in a dark vault hidden in a secret chamber.


Are you still wondering if my dick works sweetcheeks? Is that what you really want to know?

So you're taking the bible and giving its stories another meaning than what was intended. Brah, you're a fraud, and you're completely lost, living in a made up world where words have made up meanings.

The people who wrote the bible were ignorant bubkins who thought that some invisible being actually made everything in 6 days and then drowned nearly everyone in a world wide flood that lasted 40 days. To say now that they were not ignorant because their stories mean something else is pure buffoonery. But funny.

Your ignorance is proof of nothing. You blather on about how evil the God that you do not believe exists is. What next, a rant on the evil Santa Claus and his lawlessness for breaking into people's homes? Or perhaps we can learn that there really is no egg laying Easter bunny.

So you’re comparing your god to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?Good for you.

Not hardly, but nice try anyway. Here is the $64,000 question. Why would you, and other obnoxious atheists, feel that it is somehow your duty to ascribe evil attributes to an entity that you do not believe exists?

 

[Meriweather]

I am an adult, been around the block a few times. Agnostic since I was 13. Mockery seems by now so cheap and meaningless and hurtful. Perhaps in an alternate part of the multiverse, Jesus is the son of god, granted. Maybe this is that universe. But...still, what kind of god just can't fix the broken world without believers believing and all that hoodoo?

What is the lesson in Genesis?

We are told that humanity began with knowing and experiencing only good. The wish was to also be able to experience bad or evil--and like God--freely choose the good. Genesis says that mankind wanted the knowledge and experience of good and evil.

Are you saying you wish mankind was free of any knowledge and/or experience of evil? What would you choose for yourself? Live unknowingly in goodness, or choose to experience both?

 

[harmonica]

there is no god/etc

For You.

for anybody

Sit on it, moron. Are you so delusional to think you can tell me what I've seen and experienced or not? I know you're an ass, don't prove to the whole group that you are a childishly arrogant ass as well.

''moron --ass ''
you sure do follow god's teachings, don't you

 

[BreezeWood]

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Is Jesus the Word of God?

... and other obnoxious atheists -

why insinuate one side or the other, this thread was for the obnoxious from the beginning.

 

[ValerieYanez]

Like Louis C.K. Knows lol

A wise educated person he was

“Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus.”
―Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson's Religious Beliefs | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

1813 May 31. (Jefferson to Richard Rush). "... the subject of religion, a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved. I have considered it as a matter between every man and his maker, in which no other, & far less the public, had a right to intermeddle."14

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

The way to see by Faith is to shut the Eye of Reason.

Benjamin Franklin


I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.

Benjamin Franklin

Why u have that dog laughing?

 

[ValerieYanez]

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

I am an adult, been around the block a few times. Agnostic since I was 13. Mockery seems by now so cheap and meaningless and hurtful. Perhaps in an alternate part of the multiverse, Jesus is the son of god, granted. Maybe this is that universe. But...still, what kind of god just can't fix the broken world without believers believing and all that hoodoo?

Why since you were 13? What’s a multiverse? Jesus is the son of God not perhaps he is in whatever you’re talking about.

 

[MaryL]

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

I am an adult, been around the block a few times. Agnostic since I was 13. Mockery seems by now so cheap and meaningless and hurtful. Perhaps in an alternate part of the multiverse, Jesus is the son of god, granted. Maybe this is that universe. But...still, what kind of god just can't fix the broken world without believers believing and all that hoodoo?

Why since you were 13? What’s a multiverse? Jesus is the son of God not perhaps he is in whatever you’re talking about.

Maybe I am just an old fool. The late Steven Hawking talked about the fate of the universe, singularities, dark matter. Take a break, and investigate such nonsense. It will take your breath away...

 

[ValerieYanez]

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

I am an adult, been around the block a few times. Agnostic since I was 13. Mockery seems by now so cheap and meaningless and hurtful. Perhaps in an alternate part of the multiverse, Jesus is the son of god, granted. Maybe this is that universe. But...still, what kind of god just can't fix the broken world without believers believing and all that hoodoo?

Why since you were 13? What’s a multiverse? Jesus is the son of God not perhaps he is in whatever you’re talking about.

Maybe I am just an old fool. The late Steven Hawking talked about the fate of the universe, singularities, dark matter. Take a break, and investigate such nonsense. It will take your breath away...

Yeah I probably will I find space exploration fascinating