Is Israel the Same as South Africa?

[Bloodrock44]

My son and his new wife just arrived from a monthlong of honeymooning in Africa. He told me about how the white businesses abandoned downtown Pretoria after "infestation" by blacks and built their own black free downtown, and the rampant reversed racism. Now tell me where in Israel such segregation exists based on race or color or religion. Those who keep comparing Israel with S. Africa have no clue WTH they are talking about.

And imagine how no Jews are wanted in a Palestine State!!!

Palestine: No Jews allowed! - Israel Today | Israel News

Jews have shown that they don't want to live with arabs anyways. So my question would be: what the fuck are they doing in palestine in the first place if they hate arabs so much?

They are there to irritate you.

 

[georgephillip]

"While several political and historical comparisons between Israel and South Africa have been published, there has been no systematic legal analysis of Israeli apartheid as it affects all sectors of Palestinian society: Palestinians in the occupied territory, Palestinian citizens of Israel, and Palestinian refugees.

"This article is a work in progress which aims to provide a legal framework within which the applicability of the crime of apartheid to Israel can be discussed.

"It argues that the policies and practices of the Israeli government amount to apartheid against Palestinian nationals - wherever they are and whatever their legal status. Hence, Palestinian citizens of Israel, refugees, and those in the OPT are victims, albeit in different ways, of Israel's regime of apartheid.

While this article is limited to the applicability of the crime of apartheid, it does not negate nor contradict the fact that Israel's regime against the Palestinian people is also one of belligerent occupation and colonialism..."

Is Israel an Apartheid State?

The Zionist colonization of Palestine has always depended upon an "Iron Wall of bayonets" to discourage the indigenous Palestinian from effectively resisting the theft of their natural resources. The British supplied the initial bayonets for Zionist expansion and the US continues His Majesty's policies of colonial conquest today.

If the expert on Israel, George, would actually visit Israel, he would see Arab doctors and nurses, such as the ones who treated my grandmother in Haifa, or Arab students and teachers, like ones who studied with my cousin at Hebrew University. It's easy to scream "apartheid" while reading Wikipedia articles in one's apt., while never visiting the place that you have dedicated your life to bashing.

George isn't an expert of North Korea either. (don't laugh; polls in some parts of the world reveal the Jewish state and the Hermit kingdom are almost equally despised).
Human Rights Watch claims there are separate and inferior schools for Arabs inside Israel:

" In 2001, Human Rights Watch reported that one in four of Israel's 1.6 million schoolchildren is educated in a completely separate public school system.

"The report stated that 'Palestinian Arab children attend schools with larger classes and fewer teachers than do those in the Jewish school system, with some children having to travel long distances to reach the nearest school. Arab schools also contrast dramatically with the larger system in their frequent lack of basic learning facilities like libraries, computers, science laboratories, and even recreation space…'"

Is Israel an Apartheid State?

400,000 Israeli children find it much harder to reach Hebrew University based simply on their ethnicity. That sounds like apartheid in any apartment beyond the Green Line.

 

[georgephillip]

If Israel is the same as SA, then when is Israel going to give back the land they took from the natives?

"In 1986 – about 40 years after the beginning of Apartheid – South Africa’s most important trading partners (the USA, the EC, and Japan) imposed economic sanctions. During the course of the
1985 debt crisis, the time seemed to have arrived to finally force the Apartheid regime to its
knees by economic sanctions. Switzerland did not abide by the sanctions. The study examines if
the fact that Switzerland did not take part in official economic sanctions delayed the political
transformation of South Africa."

http://www.snf.ch/SiteCollectionDocuments/nfp/nfp42p/nfp42p_staehelin-e.pdf

Only when the Jewish state's economy screams the way South Africa's did will the Jews finally decide to trade land for peace (and prosperity)

 

[Kondor3]

Is Israel the same as South Africa?

No.

 

[Bumberclyde]

Is Israel the same as South Africa?

No.

If it was, then the Jews would have 1) attacked it, 2) occupied their land, and 3) give it back when they realized that they would never get away with it.

So far Israel has only done 1) and 2).

 

[toastman]

Israel tried to give back the West Bank in 1967, 2000 (95%) and in 2008 (93%)

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel tried to give back the West Bank in 1967, 2000 (95%) and in 2008 (93%)

Why not all of it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, interesting question.

I already showed you the treaties that gave Israel borders. Sorry, you cannot dispute those.

Egypt and Jordan have the authority to give borders to Israel?

(COMMENT)

Both Egypt and Israel were sovereign entities. The Palestinians rejected sovereignty un the Partition Plan and rejected the use of non-violent means to resolve territorial differences; opting for war.

Two sovereign nations made a Treaty. Palestine, not opting to follow the Rule of Law, was not involved.

You are asking the wrong question. It is not about "who gave them authority." It is about the right of two sovereign nations to enter into friendly relations and agreements. Palestinians, not being sovereign or having sovereignty over any territory, had no right to interfere.

You have the question backwards. Who gave the Palestinians any authority to do anything that they did not already reject?

At some point, the Palestinians have to accept the consequences for their actions. They need to quit blaming everybody else and start building a nation of peace instead of a Jihadist supporting government.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians rejected sovereignty...

Of course that is a lie, but go ahead keep pimping it.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, interesting question.

Egypt and Jordan have the authority to give borders to Israel?

(COMMENT)

Both Egypt and Israel were sovereign entities. The Palestinians rejected sovereignty un the Partition Plan and rejected the use of non-violent means to resolve territorial differences; opting for war.

Two sovereign nations made a Treaty. Palestine, not opting to follow the Rule of Law, was not involved.

You are asking the wrong question. It is not about "who gave them authority." It is about the right of two sovereign nations to enter into friendly relations and agreements. Palestinians, not being sovereign or having sovereignty over any territory, had no right to interfere.

You have the question backwards. Who gave the Palestinians any authority to do anything that they did not already reject?

At some point, the Palestinians have to accept the consequences for their actions. They need to quit blaming everybody else and start building a nation of peace instead of a Jihadist supporting government.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians rejected sovereignty...

Of course that is a lie, but go ahead keep pimping it.

Would the UN Partition plan have given them sovereignty ? Yes
Did they reject it? Yes

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, interesting question.


(COMMENT)

Both Egypt and Israel were sovereign entities. The Palestinians rejected sovereignty un the Partition Plan and rejected the use of non-violent means to resolve territorial differences; opting for war.

Two sovereign nations made a Treaty. Palestine, not opting to follow the Rule of Law, was not involved.

You are asking the wrong question. It is not about "who gave them authority." It is about the right of two sovereign nations to enter into friendly relations and agreements. Palestinians, not being sovereign or having sovereignty over any territory, had no right to interfere.

You have the question backwards. Who gave the Palestinians any authority to do anything that they did not already reject?

At some point, the Palestinians have to accept the consequences for their actions. They need to quit blaming everybody else and start building a nation of peace instead of a Jihadist supporting government.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians rejected sovereignty...

Of course that is a lie, but go ahead keep pimping it.

Would the UN Partition plan have given them sovereignty ? Yes
Did they reject it? Yes

The UN cannot give sovereignty.

 

[toastman]

Of course that is a lie, but go ahead keep pimping it.

Would the UN Partition plan have given them sovereignty ? Yes
Did they reject it? Yes

The UN cannot give sovereignty.

Had the Palestinian Arabs accepted the PArtition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ????

 

[P F Tinmore]

Would the UN Partition plan have given them sovereignty ? Yes
Did they reject it? Yes

The UN cannot give sovereignty.

Had the Palestinian Arabs accepted the PArtition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ????

Sovereignty is independent from the UN.

 

[toastman]

Had the Palestinians accepted the Partition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ??

 

[georgephillip]

Would the UN Partition plan have given them sovereignty ? Yes
Did they reject it? Yes

The UN cannot give sovereignty.

Had the Palestinian Arabs accepted the PArtition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ????

Why would 1.2 million Arabs agree with the UN's decision to give 55% of Mandate Palestine to 650,000 (mostly) European Jews?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Had the Palestinians accepted the Partition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ??

Perhaps, but it was not necessary.

 

[toastman]

Had the Palestinians accepted the Partition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ??

Perhaps, but it was not necessary.

Not perhaps . The answer is yes

 

[toastman]

The UN cannot give sovereignty.

Had the Palestinian Arabs accepted the PArtition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ????

Why would 1.2 million Arabs agree with the UN's decision to give 55% of Mandate Palestine to 650,000 (mostly) European Jews?

Because the British captured the land during WW1, not the Palestinians

 

[P F Tinmore]

Had the Palestinians accepted the Partition plan, would they have had their own state and sovereignty ??

Perhaps, but it was not necessary.

Not perhaps . The answer is yes

How many sovereign states were created by UN resolution?

 

[toastman]

Abbas: Arabs erred in rejecting 1947 partition plan | JPost | Israel News

Abbas: Arabs erred in rejecting 1947 partition plan

 

[toastman]

Perhaps, but it was not necessary.

Not perhaps . The answer is yes

How many sovereign states were created by UN resolution?

What does that have to do with anything ? We're talking about the British Mandate of Palestine