Is Israel the Same as South Africa?

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    "The question is not 'Is Israel the same as South Africa?'
    It is 'do Israel's actions meet the international definition of what apartheid is?'

    The crime of apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity 'committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.'"

    A couple of other relevant questions include did Israel sign the 2002 Rome Statute, if not;why not, and does it even matter?

    Is Israel an Apartheid State?
     
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    georgephillip; et al,

    Interesting?

    (FIRST QUESTION)

    What races are involved? (one racial group over any other racial group)

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    i think jews are a religious group and not an ethnic/racial group. am i wrong in assuming that you do the same?
     
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    The Jewish race over any and all other racial groups living between the River and the sea.
     
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    Nope, next question.
     
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    I think that Hitler made a strategic decision to classify Jews as a race and not a religion since, had he chosen the latter, half the Jews in Germany would have converted to Christianity.

    It seems to me that distinction between race and religion has been used by Jews and non-Jews to cover many crimes during the last hundred years including the Right of Return in Palestine.
     
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    Well, I agree that a Jewish is not a racial category. So, right off the bat, its not a matter of "apartheid" under the international criminal code. As you can see, "apartheid" is defined as crimes committed "by one racial group over any other racial group;" a major element of the offense.

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    No, you are not wrong.

    But more importantly, being Israeli is not a racial category either; it is a nationality. And, you can be Israeli and Palestinian simultaneously; however you define a Palestinian.

    But it is also important to understand that when speaking of "apartheid" --- you are speaking of treatment difference with a given country. That is to say, the crime of "apartheid" doesn't apply to the "Occupied Territories" because it is not "sovereign Israeli territory." The crime of "apartheid" is "committed with the intention of maintaining that regime." So, in order to determine if there is the crime of "apartheid," you have to examine if an "Israeli" of one racial class is being treated differently than an "Israeli" of another racial class within the same regime.

    Of the LINK cited, I did not see one "apartheid" issue mentioned.

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    I'm not sure I completely understand.

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    I think you better ask for legal advise on the matter.

    Anyone living in Israel at the time it declared independence in 1948 and at the end of the War of Independence, is an Israeli Citizen. (I think) They need not apply for citizenship, they are citizens. They just need to get their Oleh's certificate. I'm not an expert on their law, but it might be worth looking into if you fall in that category.

    But remember, the entire idea behind the establishment of the Jewish State, was to find a protective landscape for those that would be oppresses simply because they were Jewish.

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    "Jewish atheism refers to atheism as practiced by people who are ethnically, and to some extent culturally, Jewish. Because Jewishness encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, the term "Jewish atheism" does not necessarily imply a contradiction.

    "Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish.[1]

    "One recent study found that half of all American Jews have doubts about the existence of God, compared to 10–15% of other American religious groups."
    Jewish atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BTW, are you prejudiced against black rats?
     

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