In Support Of A Palestinian State

[Hollie]

Try paying attention when you're scouring the web for your cutting and pasting.

Your cutting and pasting references the West Bank. Did you happen to notice that?

Lastly, control of the airspace would be a requirement as a preventative to Islamic terrorist attacks. If the Islamic terrorists had chosen not to wage acts of war, there would be no need to control them.

Yes, and I highlighted the section regarding Gaza in bold, for your benefit. I don't like to break up paragraphs as it often results in accusations of withholding information.

The continuance of the blockade and control of air sea and land borders was the act of war, the resistance by the Palestinians was to be expected. If there were no blockade, an act of war, there would be no need for resistance.

It's truly silly to use slogans and cliches about "resistance" when applied to Islamic terrorists.

You should read the Hamas Charter. The requirement to obliterate Israel as a part of offensive gee-had is not "resistance".

Resistance against occupation is what it is called by the occupied. Terrorism is what the occupier/oppressor calls resistance to its rule. The Nazis, for example, called the French Resistance terrorists. The Apartheid regime called the ANC terrorists. When the Algerian FLN bombed movie theaters and restaurants in Algiers, the French called the FLN terrorists. When the IRA were called terrorists by the British when they set of bombs in shopping centers in England, yet many Americans called them freedom fighters and supported them financially.

It is just historical fact. Why do you think the I/P conflict is any different than those others. It isn't.

The Hamas Charter is little more than a re-statement of the hate and war manual inspired by muhammud (swish).

The Hamas Charter explicitly states the obliteration of Israel with gee-had as the mechanism.

As we have seen repeatedly, Israel has the weapons, tactics and know-how to put the had in gee-had.

There is no such thing as a Hamas Charter.

There is however, a Likud Charter which makes much the same declarations vis-a-vis the Palestinians with respect to their presence in what they call Eretz Israel.

You're in denial regarding the Hamas Charter and islamic ideology.

Why would you presume others are?

 

[MJB12741]

It's truly silly to use slogans and cliches about "resistance" when applied to Islamic terrorists.

You should read the Hamas Charter. The requirement to obliterate Israel as a part of offensive gee-had is not "resistance".

Resistance against occupation is what it is called by the occupied. Terrorism is what the occupier/oppressor calls resistance to its rule. The Nazis, for example, called the French Resistance terrorists. The Apartheid regime called the ANC terrorists. When the Algerian FLN bombed movie theaters and restaurants in Algiers, the French called the FLN terrorists. When the IRA were called terrorists by the British when they set of bombs in shopping centers in England, yet many Americans called them freedom fighters and supported them financially.

It is just historical fact. Why do you think the I/P conflict is any different than those others. It isn't.

The Hamas Charter is little more than a re-statement of the hate and war manual inspired by muhammud (swish).

The Hamas Charter explicitly states the obliteration of Israel with gee-had as the mechanism.

As we have seen repeatedly, Israel has the weapons, tactics and know-how to put the had in gee-had.

There is no such thing as a Hamas Charter.

There is however, a Likud Charter which makes much the same declarations vis-a-vis the Palestinians with respect to their presence in what they call Eretz Israel.

How do ya like that? "There is no such thing as a Hamas Charter." Amazing what we can learn from the highly intellectual, unbiased mind of Monte. Ya gotta love him for all the laughs he gives us. Heh Heh!

http://www.hamascharter.com/assets/hamas-covenant-1988-source.pdf

Cat's got your tongue? Where does it say Hamas Charter on/in the document? Amazing how stupid you are. You fell for it before Hollow Hollie did.

Now for a little lesson for dummies like you. A charter is a document that sets forth the rules and regulations of an organization that members will have to adhere to if they want to join. A Covenant is a fancy word for "contract" between two or more parties.

Ah yes. Now it's linguistics for your only stupidity defense. Shot down in flames again, eh Monte? 'Atta boy!

http://www.hamascharter.com/assets/hamas-covenant-1988-source.pdf

 

[montelatici]

The only one that was "shot down in flames" is the moron that doesn't understand the difference between a charter and a covenant. Keep it up dummy.

 

[Hollie]

The only one that was "shot down in flames" is the moron that doesn't understand the difference between a charter and a covenant. Keep it up dummy.

I certainly could not support the stateworthy'ness of those with a Charter that calls for the obliteration thru gee-had of people based strictly on religious hatreds.



http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm

 

[montelatici]

"Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem"

Must be accurate and true.

 

[Hollie]

"Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem"

Must be accurate and true.

You're free to agonize over the title of the Hamas Charter but the fact is, the goals and objectives speak to a virulently hateful and retrograde ideology that is incapable of meeting some pretty basic standards of behavior in the relevant first world.

A 'Pal'istanian' state of apartheid, segregation, limited rights for women and governance meted out at the business end of an AK-47 is a laughable joke.

 

[montelatici]

Again, it is the Hamas Covenant and it is a vile Islamist piece of work. But it is a Covenant.

 

[Hollie]

Again, it is the Hamas Covenant and it is a vile Islamist piece of work. But it is a Covenant.

The Hamas charter is alive and kicking – and Israeli civilians are dying | Yiftah Curiel

The Hamas charter is alive and kicking – and Israeli civilians are dying.

The notion of a Pal'istanian state that adheres to principles little different than ISIS is an abomination and will not be inflicted upon humanity.

 

[MJB12741]

Again, it is the Hamas Covenant and it is a vile Islamist piece of work. But it is a Covenant.

Again with the linguistics. Hey, call it whatever you want. Fact is Hamas has made their intentions quite clear. Read it, if you can.

http://www.hamascharter.com/assets/hamas-covenant-1988-source.pdf

 

[montelatici]

Finally, it is a Covenant.

 

[Roudy]

Who cares! Call it a terrorist manifesto. There is no difference. All the Islamic terrorists, whether it be Hamas, Al Queda, or ISIS follow a similar barbaric medieval ideology.

 

[montelatici]

A covenant is a contract between parties. A charter describes the rules of an organization.

 

[Roudy]

Does anybody care? All these Islamist animals behave the same. It could even be verbal.

Hamas = Palestinian ISIS

 

[montelatici]

The Likud Charter says much the same thing with respect the Palestinian's right to exist. Likud=South African National Party

 

[Hollie]

Finally, it is a Covenant.

It's a charter.

Ma'an news. A website only a Monty could love.

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=765174

Why Doesn’t Hamas Change its Charter?

 

[Roudy]

Blah blah blah. It's the Islamists and their shit shariah law that are the closest to South African National Party.

al-monitor.com
Hamas Pushes Islamization of Gaza

 

[Roudy]

Palestinians aren't the only ones practicing Islamic apartheid against non Muslims. Like I said, Hamas Islamists are no different than other Islamists around the world.

Christians in Islamic Lands (Part 2) | Catholic Answers

Sadly, Islam today is confronted not only with the difficulty of creating stable, democratic governments, but also with the wider global crisis of modernity and the related continued growth of radical sects of which Osama bin Laden’s al-Qa’eda is only one of many.

How Islam deals with these great questions will have a direct impact on the long-term prospects of Catholic–Muslim dialogue, in particular the troubled issue of the status and treatment of non-Muslims. Radical Muslims openly call not only for a pan-Islamic embrace of shari’a (all-embracing Islamic law) but a return to the dhimma and the jizya (tax for non-Muslims). The late Ayatollah Khomeini demanded their restoration as key components of his program for Iran, described in his book On Islamic Government.

He was not alone in this view. In a 2006 interview with the Wall Street Journal, Hassam El-Masalmeh, leader of the Hamas contingent on the municipal council of Bethlehem, openly declared that Hamas intended to reinstitute the jizya at the first opportunity and to compel non-Muslims to live under the shari’a. In effect, Hamas intends to impose upon Palestinian territories a return to the dhimma.

Christians as Modern Dhimmis

The plans of Hamas remain as yet unfulfilled, but Christians around the globe find themselves living in modified conditions of dhimmitude that differ by region and the specifics of the social and religious discrimination. As a result, Christian populations in Muslim lands are shrinking rapidly as Christians flee to the safety of the West.

The terms of dhimmitude in Muslim countries are the chief historical reason why the once-majority Christian populations in North Africa, Anatolia (Turkey), and Palestine are so small today.

 

[Hollie]

Yes, if Gazans had a port they controlled, territorial sea they controlled, air space they controlled and borders they controlled with Egypt, they could trade with Egypt and Europe directly without needing to deal with Israel. They could give ENI (which is now exploiting gas reserves for Egypt a few miles away) a deal to exploit reserves off Gaza.

It is not probable that the Palestinians will want to deal with the Israelis after the way they have been treated by them, and I don't blame them. But they would have options if Israel relinquished control over Gaza. But, Israel does not plan to relinquish control of any land they now have control over.

You really do spend too much time agonizing over a perceived slight to your Islamic terrorist heroes. Has hamas emailed you about their hurt islamo-feelings?

As it should be clear after decades of your Islamic terrorist heroes being unable and unwilling to cobble together a working society, a Pal'istanian state is a mirage and that is notwithstanding the simple truth that there will be no agreements with any of the Islamic terrorist franchises without recognition of Israel's right to exist and sovereignty over its designated territory by the Arab-Moslem signatories to the agreement--anything less is not a final peace agreement but merely a cease-fire with expectation for conflict renewal when Hamas spends enough welfare fraud dollars to acquire weapons to attack Israel.

Thus, if Hamas is part of any ruling coalition of the Palestinian Authority, the Hamas charter must be modified to be compliant with such recognition.

The Nazis gained power by democratic vote and then seized and retained it by force.
They were sworn to the extermination of Jews ["the final solution of the world's Jewish problem" was the euphemism]. They legislated and enacted this solution, and murdered Jews indiscriminately. The world Jewish population was halved in 5 years (~6 million dead).
Similarly, by justification of their Aryan superiority they sought to establish a world under Aryan rule. They mass-murdered fellow nationals disloyal to their cause, the Romany, homosexuals, Communists, the handicapped, etc. by the millions.

Hamas gained power by democratic vote and then, in Gaza, seized and retained it by force.
They are sworn to the extermination of Israel per the Hamas charter and they have murdered Israelis indiscriminately. There are no Jews living in lands under Hamas or Palestinian control.

Similarly, by justification of their Islamic ideology, they seek to establish a world under Islamic rule. They mass-murdered fellow Palestinians (e.g. Fatah) disloyal to their cause.

Definitely state worthy folks.

 

[MJB12741]

Finally, it is a Covenant.

It's a charter.

Ma'an news. A website only a Monty could love.

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=765174

Why Doesn’t Hamas Change its Charter?

Given enough dead Palestinians under Hamas rule, even the Palestinian people themselves will turn against Hamas for what Hamas has done & is still doing to them. In fact, that is already happening.

Palestinians Reveal the Truth about Gaza: 'Hamas Wanted Us Butchered So It Could Win the Media War Against Israel' - Breitbart

 

[MJB12741]

Finally, it is a Covenant.

It's a charter.

Ma'an news. A website only a Monty could love.

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=765174

Why Doesn’t Hamas Change its Charter?

Given enough dead Palestinians under Hamas rule, even the Palestinian people themselves will turn against Hamas for what Hamas has done & is still doing to them. In fact, that is already happening.

Palestinians Reveal the Truth about Gaza: 'Hamas Wanted Us Butchered So It Could Win the Media War Against Israel' - Breitbart

THe Pali's need their own Palestinian State with self determination far away from Israel & far away from Hamas. The question is where to put it as no surrounding Arab country wants Palestinians.