In Support Of A Palestinian State

The option for a two-state solution is long past.

I agree. Though it is possible, with good leadership for the Palestinians, for it to come again.

Time to divide the land between Israel, Egypt and Jordan. If the Palestinians still want a nation of their own they can beg it from Egypt and Jordan.
 
I suspect the Palestinians will just stay put and let nature take its course, like it has for other late 19th and 20th century neo-colonial ventures. A secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens may come out of it.
 
I suspect the Palestinians will just stay put and let nature take its course, like it has for other late 19th and 20th century neo-colonial ventures. A secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens may come out of it.

Yeah right. Abbas & Hamas. Dream on.
 
What do you think will happen?

In all likelihood the bottom line is this:

Both Israeli's & Palestinians exist on a disputed land & are there to stay. Eventually there will be enough dead Palestinians from Israeli retaliations that the Palestinain people themselves will wake up & dump their own leadership & start all over with a leadership that actually believes Israel is there to stay & wants to negotiate a lasting peace with Israel. Then it's up to Israel to dump Nutandyahoo & his damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions to Palestinians for nothing in return but rocket missiles for a thank you & endless Palestinian hatred for him & his Israeli citizens. Out with the old, in with the new. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!
 
What do you think will happen?

In all likelihood the bottom line is this:

Both Israeli's & Palestinians exist on a disputed land & are there to stay. Eventually there will be enough dead Palestinians from Israeli retaliations that the Palestinain people themselves will wake up & dump their own leadership & start all over with a leadership that actually believes Israel is there to stay & wants to negotiate a lasting peace with Israel. Then it's up to Israel to dump Nutandyahoo & his damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions to Palestinians for nothing in return but rocket missiles for a thank you & endless Palestinian hatred for him & his Israeli citizens. Out with the old, in with the new. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Hatred for the people that dispossessed them is a natural reaction. After all, some of the dispossessed are still living. Much like the native americans in the late 1800 who were certainly not enamored with the European Americans. But, the non-Jews should renounce violence and resign themselves that there will never be a sovereign Palestinian state and try to improve their lot, hopefully with incremental enfranchisement, as they become an overwhelming majority.
 
I suspect the Palestinians will just stay put and let nature take its course, like it has for other late 19th and 20th century neo-colonial ventures. A secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens may come out of it.

Yeah right. Abbas & Hamas. Dream on.

A so-called Secular Democracy with equal rights for all citizens is merely coded language for the proposed dissolution of
the Jewish nation-State of Israel. The two-state solution is the only safe, sane and sensible solution to the decades-old Israeli/Paiestinian debacle. No other solution would work. There'd be even more bloodshed between the two sides than there already is.
 
There would have to be an agreement signed by the UN Security Council, the United States, Israel, top Palestinian leaders, and all the Arab countries, as well as European, Asian and African Countries who are friendly to both Israel and the Palestinians, to insure that no hostilities resume between Israel, the Palestinians or any of the Arab States, in order for the two-state solution to happen.






No just Israel and the Palestinian government. Then the UN would read the riot act to the Palestinians and tell them they now need to stop all forms of violence and belligerence of face UN embargo's.
 
It's true under International Law.
You mean it's an opinion.

Of the International Criminal Court. An opinion of the U.S. Supreme Court becomes U.S. law. An opinion of the ICC becomes international law.

In any case, the ICC's decision isView attachment 74328 nothing new. It is based on an opinion of the Nuremberg Tribunal, in the "Hostages Case", which also became international law.







Cant see Israel or Palestine mentioned in your cut and paste, so once again an of topic deflection because your arguments are being taken apart
 
I suspect the Palestinians will just stay put and let nature take its course, like it has for other late 19th and 20th century neo-colonial ventures. A secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens may come out of it.

Yeah right. Abbas & Hamas. Dream on.

A so-called Secular Democracy with equal rights for all citizens is merely coded language for the proposed dissolution of
the Jewish nation-State of Israel. The two-state solution is the only safe, sane and sensible solution to the decades-old Israeli/Paiestinian debacle. No other solution would work. There'd be even more bloodshed between the two sides than there already is.






There already is a two state solution in place, but the arab muslims want to take even more of the land by devious means away from Israel
 
I suspect the Palestinians will just stay put and let nature take its course, like it has for other late 19th and 20th century neo-colonial ventures. A secular democracy with equal rights for all citizens may come out of it.







Not while one arab muslims draws breath as that is anathema to their beliefs
 
What do you think will happen?







Israel will petition the UN to make a decision based on existing INTERNATIONAL LAWS and force an issue as to who has sovereignty over the land. The4n Israel will mount an attack force to rid their lands of all arab muslim terrorists once and for all. The ones that want to live in peace will be granted probationary Israeli citizenship until they prove themselves worthy. This is the only way to bring the conflict to an end, by using existing laws and applying them in full
 
What do you think will happen?

In all likelihood the bottom line is this:

Both Israeli's & Palestinians exist on a disputed land & are there to stay. Eventually there will be enough dead Palestinians from Israeli retaliations that the Palestinain people themselves will wake up & dump their own leadership & start all over with a leadership that actually believes Israel is there to stay & wants to negotiate a lasting peace with Israel. Then it's up to Israel to dump Nutandyahoo & his damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions to Palestinians for nothing in return but rocket missiles for a thank you & endless Palestinian hatred for him & his Israeli citizens. Out with the old, in with the new. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Hatred for the people that dispossessed them is a natural reaction. After all, some of the dispossessed are still living. Much like the native americans in the late 1800 who were certainly not enamored with the European Americans. But, the non-Jews should renounce violence and resign themselves that there will never be a sovereign Palestinian state and try to improve their lot, hopefully with incremental enfranchisement, as they become an overwhelming majority.







And you ignore the much more numerous Jews that were dispossessed by the arab muslims because they destroy your whole racist argument
 
What do you think will happen?

In all likelihood the bottom line is this:

Both Israeli's & Palestinians exist on a disputed land & are there to stay. Eventually there will be enough dead Palestinians from Israeli retaliations that the Palestinain people themselves will wake up & dump their own leadership & start all over with a leadership that actually believes Israel is there to stay & wants to negotiate a lasting peace with Israel. Then it's up to Israel to dump Nutandyahoo & his damn peace offerings, security fence & land concessions to Palestinians for nothing in return but rocket missiles for a thank you & endless Palestinian hatred for him & his Israeli citizens. Out with the old, in with the new. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Hatred for the people that dispossessed them is a natural reaction. After all, some of the dispossessed are still living. Much like the native americans in the late 1800 who were certainly not enamored with the European Americans. But, the non-Jews should renounce violence and resign themselves that there will never be a sovereign Palestinian state and try to improve their lot, hopefully with incremental enfranchisement, as they become an overwhelming majority.

Sounds like you are saying the Jews should hate the Palestinians for dispossessing their ancient land.
 
The Palestinians dispossessed no one. The European Zionists dispossessed the Palestinians. It wasn't the ancient land of Europeans. It was the ancient land of the native people of Palestine many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism.
 
The Palestinians dispossessed no one. The European Zionists dispossessed the Palestinians. It wasn't the ancient land of Europeans. It was the ancient land of the native people of Palestine many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism.

Jews didn't dispossess them -- they just brought in a new ruling class and are in the midst of changing the culture (back) to Jewish culture. Since you support that -- what is your problem?
 
The Palestinians dispossessed no one. The European Zionists dispossessed the Palestinians. It wasn't the ancient land of Europeans. It was the ancient land of the native people of Palestine many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism.

Jews didn't dispossess them -- they just brought in a new ruling class and are in the midst of changing the culture (back) to Jewish culture. Since you support that -- what is your problem?

Of course they were dispossessed. More than half of the population of Muslims and Christians were ethnically cleansed and replaced by a population of Europeans. The other invasions just changed the leadership.

The native inhabitants were not given the opportunity to adopt the culture of the invader in this case, it was settler colonialism, not a change of ruler.
 
The Palestinians dispossessed no one. The European Zionists dispossessed the Palestinians. It wasn't the ancient land of Europeans. It was the ancient land of the native people of Palestine many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism.

Jews didn't dispossess them -- they just brought in a new ruling class and are in the midst of changing the culture (back) to Jewish culture. Since you support that -- what is your problem?

Of course they were dispossessed. More than half of the population of Muslims and Christians were ethnically cleansed and replaced by a population of Europeans. The other invasions just changed the leadership.

The native inhabitants were not given the opportunity to adopt the culture of the invader in this case, it was settler colonialism, not a change of ruler.

Jews were native Palestinians & then Christians, not Muslim squatters.
 
The Palestinians dispossessed no one. The European Zionists dispossessed the Palestinians. It wasn't the ancient land of Europeans. It was the ancient land of the native people of Palestine many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism.

Jews didn't dispossess them -- they just brought in a new ruling class and are in the midst of changing the culture (back) to Jewish culture. Since you support that -- what is your problem?

Of course they were dispossessed. More than half of the population of Muslims and Christians were ethnically cleansed and replaced by a population of Europeans. The other invasions just changed the leadership.

The native inhabitants were not given the opportunity to adopt the culture of the invader in this case, it was settler colonialism, not a change of ruler.

Jews were native Palestinians & then Christians, not Muslim squatters.

Most Christians converted to Islam. They were the same people. The only squatters are the Jews from elsewhere that colonized Palestine beginning in the mid 1800s.
 

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