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Originally posted by Challenger
Oh look, more of the same bovine excrement and that nonsense graph repeated in every thread by the forum's biggest BS merchant; BoSton1. Bored now.
LOL, Challenger...
Boston is shocked and appalled by this simple idea that has never crossed his mind in his entire life:
Give palestinian refugees the same rights as Palestinians in Haifa have as third class citizens of Israel and they will behave in the same peaceful manner.
Give them all full rights as equal citizens of their homeland (that does not consider them "unwanted guests", whose anthem doesn't ignore them only talking about "jewish spirit yearning for Zion", whose schools, housing and sanitation services are not severely underfunded) and they will behave even more peacefully than they already do.
of your post ? 
- coincidence ?
not a coincidence.
"LOL, Challenger..." (
)
You continue make the false claim that Gaza is not under occupation, while a decision of the ICC has determined that you are making things up. Don't lie and I won't provide evidence that you are a liar. It's that simple Hollow Hollie.
you know they Unoccupied it - then, the neighborhood went to the
terrorist dogs. remember all that 
in-fighting, and rocket-launching 
that took place 5 minutes after it was Un-occupied....(and still goes on today).
REMEMBER monte ?
...i didn't think so.
Lets not.
Lets join together against terrorism rather than rewarding terrorism.
No third state in the mandate area.
Jordan and Israel are the two state solution
I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel.
Also, the State of Israel would benefit by withdrawing from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state for several reasons:
A) While there's no absolute guarantee that there wouldn't be any more conflagrations between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel would be better able to protect a smaller area of land (her own country) and her people in the event of any more conflagrations.
B) Israel would regain much of the international sympathy and support that she lost, by giving West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
C) Israel would be relieved of the burden of having to rule over another group of people and to occupy a foreign territory.
D) The Palestinians would benefit by having their own state, and therefore, self-determination, which both peoples have the right to.
and easy on paper.....
~ 
a spot set aside in ...saudi arabia. not too long ago, they left the welcome mat out for their other terrorist buddies.
= 
they're not....?
be terrorists.Lets not.
Lets join together against terrorism rather than rewarding terrorism.
No third state in the mandate area.
Jordan and Israel are the two state solution
I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel.
Also, the State of Israel would benefit by withdrawing from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state for several reasons:
A) While there's no absolute guarantee that there wouldn't be any more conflagrations between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel would be better able to protect a smaller area of land (her own country) and her people in the event of any more conflagrations.
B) Israel would regain much of the international sympathy and support that she lost, by giving West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
C) Israel would be relieved of the burden of having to rule over another group of people and to occupy a foreign territory.
D) The Palestinians would benefit by having their own state, and therefore, self-determination, which both peoples have the right to.
"Israel would regain much of the international sympathy and support that she lost, by giving West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians."
It does sound all warm and fuzzyand easy on paper.....
....giving them control over part of Jerusalem ? bad idea, there goes the neighborhood.
~
...terrorists, they don't deserve any land, excepta spot set aside in ...saudi arabia. not too long ago, they left the welcome mat out for their other terrorist buddies.
Remember when they had alQueda up in the house...they stayed in gaza, at the LaunchPad Inn.
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Who's in charge?. Terrorists. What?they're not....?
(c) "Israel would be relieved of the burden of having to rule over another group of people (u mean the palestinian terrorists) and to occupy a foreign territory ------ (d) The Palestinians would benefit by having their own state, and therefore, self-determination, which both peoples have the right to."
We're back to square 1.
(c) they have to be babysat......they're terrorists.
(d) they're terrorists - they're only determined tobe terrorists.
You continue make the false claim that Gaza is not under occupation, while a decision of the ICC has determined that you are making things up. Don't lie and I won't provide evidence that you are a liar. It's that simple Hollow Hollie.
it's not a false claim.you know they Unoccupied it - then, the neighborhood went to the
terrorist dogs. remember all that
in-fighting, and rocket-launching
and lawlessnessthat took place 5 minutes after it was Un-occupied....(and still goes on today).
REMEMBER monte ?
...i didn't think so.
You continue make the false claim that Gaza is not under occupation, while a decision of the ICC has determined that you are making things up. Don't lie and I won't provide evidence that you are a liar. It's that simple Hollow Hollie.
it's not a false claim.
and lawlessness
Why do you constantly lie?
"Office of the Prosecutor
International Criminal Court
6 November 2014
26. Israel maintains that following the 2005 disengagement, it is no longer an occupying power in Gaza as it does not exercise effective control over the area.
27. However, the prevalent view within the international community is that Israel remains an occupying power in Gaza despite the 2005 disengagement.35 In general, this view is based on the scope and degree of control that Israel has retained over the territory of Gaza following the 2005 disengagement – including, inter alia, Israel’s exercise of control over border crossings, the territorial sea adjacent to the Gaza Strip, and the airspace of Gaza; its periodic military incursions within Gaza; its enforcement of no-go areas within Gaza near the border where Israeli settlements used to be; and its regulation of the local monetary market based on the Israeli currency and control of taxes and customs duties. The retention of such competences by Israel over the territory of Gaza even after the 2005 disengagement overall supports the conclusion that the authority retained by Israel amounts to effective control.
28. Although it no longer maintains a military presence in Gaza, Israel has not only shown the ability to conduct incursions into Gaza at will, but also expressly reserved the right to do so as required by military necessity. 38 This consideration is potentially significant considering that there is support in international case law for the conclusion that it is not a prerequisite that a State maintain continuous presence in a territory in order to qualify as an occupying power. In particular, the ICTY has held that the law of occupation would also apply to areas where a state possesses “the capacity to send troops within a reasonable time to make the authority of the occupying power felt.” In this respect, it is also noted that the geographic proximity of the Gaza Strip to Israel potentially facilitates the ability of Israel to exercise effective control over the territory, despite the lack of a continuous military presence.
29. Overall, there is a reasonable basis upon which to conclude that Israel continues to be an occupying power in Gaza despite the 2005 disengagement. The Office has therefore proceeded on the basis that the situation in Gaza be considered within the framework of an international armed conflict in view of the continuing military occupation by Israel."
https://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/otp/OTP-COM-Article_53(1)-Report-06Nov2014Eng.pdf
You continue make the false claim that Gaza is not under occupation, while a decision of the ICC has determined that you are making things up. Don't lie and I won't provide evidence that you are a liar. It's that simple Hollow Hollie.
it's not a false claim.
and lawlessness
Why do you constantly lie?
"Office of the Prosecutor
International Criminal Court
6 November 2014
26. Israel maintains that following the 2005 disengagement, it is no longer an occupying power in Gaza as it does not exercise effective control over the area.
27. However, the prevalent view within the international community is that Israel remains an occupying power in Gaza despite the 2005 disengagement.35 In general, this view is based on the scope and degree of control that Israel has retained over the territory of Gaza following the 2005 disengagement – including, inter alia, Israel’s exercise of control over border crossings, the territorial sea adjacent to the Gaza Strip, and the airspace of Gaza; its periodic military incursions within Gaza; its enforcement of no-go areas within Gaza near the border where Israeli settlements used to be; and its regulation of the local monetary market based on the Israeli currency and control of taxes and customs duties. The retention of such competences by Israel over the territory of Gaza even after the 2005 disengagement overall supports the conclusion that the authority retained by Israel amounts to effective control.
28. Although it no longer maintains a military presence in Gaza, Israel has not only shown the ability to conduct incursions into Gaza at will, but also expressly reserved the right to do so as required by military necessity. 38 This consideration is potentially significant considering that there is support in international case law for the conclusion that it is not a prerequisite that a State maintain continuous presence in a territory in order to qualify as an occupying power. In particular, the ICTY has held that the law of occupation would also apply to areas where a state possesses “the capacity to send troops within a reasonable time to make the authority of the occupying power felt.” In this respect, it is also noted that the geographic proximity of the Gaza Strip to Israel potentially facilitates the ability of Israel to exercise effective control over the territory, despite the lack of a continuous military presence.
29. Overall, there is a reasonable basis upon which to conclude that Israel continues to be an occupying power in Gaza despite the 2005 disengagement. The Office has therefore proceeded on the basis that the situation in Gaza be considered within the framework of an international armed conflict in view of the continuing military occupation by Israel."
https://www.icc-cpi.int/iccdocs/otp/OTP-COM-Article_53(1)-Report-06Nov2014Eng.pdf
Pointing out the fact that Gaza is occupied pursuant to an ICC decision is not a failed argument, it just contradicts your assertion that Israel "left" Gaza at anytime. In 2005, Israel never intended to relinquish control of Gaza. It just removed settlers that were too costly to protect.
You continue make the false claim that Gaza is not under occupation, while a decision of the ICC has determined that you are making things up. Don't lie and I won't provide evidence that you are a liar. It's that simple Hollow Hollie.
Hollow Hollie..."You mean it's an opinion.It's true under International Law.
What makes anyone thing the Arab Muslims in Israel are capable of handling the affairs of state in a responsible manor.
Look at what happened in Gaza, Its cess pool of violence and anarchy
Then they will need to take lessons and very quickly, when the UN forces them to stand up and be counted in a few short months. When they are given what they demand and find that they have lost what they most need in the process. Who will pay the bills then when UNWRA is disbanded as there will be no more Palestinian refugees.
GIVE THEM THEIR NATION AND THEIR FREE DETERMINATION AND WATCH THEM DESTROY THEMSELVES IN THE FIRST MONTH
Sure but give them that nation somewhere else. Israel is already the smallest nation of the mandated areas with the Arab Muslims already having something like 99% of west Africa.
Let them set up camp in Jordan somewhere ;--)
Sorry to break this to you Boston1, but Jordan, a country that already has a large Palestinian population majority, has long been adamant about not taking any more Palestinians into their country. Jordan doesn't want them, and neither do the other countries in the region.
Lets not.
Lets join together against terrorism rather than rewarding terrorism.
No third state in the mandate area.
Jordan and Israel are the two state solution
I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel.
Also, the State of Israel would benefit by withdrawing from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state for several reasons:
A) While there's no absolute guarantee that there wouldn't be any more conflagrations between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel would be better able to protect a smaller area of land (her own country) and her people in the event of any more conflagrations.
B) Israel would regain much of the international sympathy and support that she lost, by giving West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
C) Israel would be relieved of the burden of having to rule over another group of people and to occupy a foreign territory.
D) The Palestinians would benefit by having their own state, and therefore, self-determination, which both peoples have the right to.
"I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel."
If you review your islamo-history, you will discover that the Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories had precisely the opportunity you describe. Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 was an opportunity for the Arabs-Moslems to make an attempt at building a working society. However, as one would expect from Islamic terrorists, Israel's withdrawal during August of 2005 was met with rocket fire in September.
What else would one expect from Islamic terrorists?
Israel did withdraw her settlers from Gaza Strip back in 2005, but Israel still controls Gaza Strip's air space and water, which they should give up...now, and withdraw its troops, as well.
You mean it's an opinion.It's true under International Law.
Lets not.
Lets join together against terrorism rather than rewarding terrorism.
No third state in the mandate area.
Jordan and Israel are the two state solution
I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel.
Also, the State of Israel would benefit by withdrawing from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state for several reasons:
A) While there's no absolute guarantee that there wouldn't be any more conflagrations between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel would be better able to protect a smaller area of land (her own country) and her people in the event of any more conflagrations.
B) Israel would regain much of the international sympathy and support that she lost, by giving West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
C) Israel would be relieved of the burden of having to rule over another group of people and to occupy a foreign territory.
D) The Palestinians would benefit by having their own state, and therefore, self-determination, which both peoples have the right to.
"I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel."
If you review your islamo-history, you will discover that the Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories had precisely the opportunity you describe. Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 was an opportunity for the Arabs-Moslems to make an attempt at building a working society. However, as one would expect from Islamic terrorists, Israel's withdrawal during August of 2005 was met with rocket fire in September.
What else would one expect from Islamic terrorists?
Israel did withdraw her settlers from Gaza Strip back in 2005, but Israel still controls Gaza Strip's air space and water, which they should give up...now, and withdraw its troops, as well.
So that the Palestinians could steal Israeli land, spoken like a true islamonazi propagandist. You do realise that Israel's troops are all inside Israel don't you, and if Israel allowed hamas free reign it would have fired nuclear weapons at Israel by now. The Blockade of gaza is LEGAL and you can not find any authority that says it isnt
Lets not.
Lets join together against terrorism rather than rewarding terrorism.
No third state in the mandate area.
Jordan and Israel are the two state solution
I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel.
Also, the State of Israel would benefit by withdrawing from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state for several reasons:
A) While there's no absolute guarantee that there wouldn't be any more conflagrations between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel would be better able to protect a smaller area of land (her own country) and her people in the event of any more conflagrations.
B) Israel would regain much of the international sympathy and support that she lost, by giving West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
C) Israel would be relieved of the burden of having to rule over another group of people and to occupy a foreign territory.
D) The Palestinians would benefit by having their own state, and therefore, self-determination, which both peoples have the right to.
"I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel."
If you review your islamo-history, you will discover that the Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories had precisely the opportunity you describe. Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 was an opportunity for the Arabs-Moslems to make an attempt at building a working society. However, as one would expect from Islamic terrorists, Israel's withdrawal during August of 2005 was met with rocket fire in September.
What else would one expect from Islamic terrorists?
Israel did withdraw her settlers from Gaza Strip back in 2005, but Israel still controls Gaza Strip's air space and water, which they should give up...now, and withdraw its troops, as well.
So that the Palestinians could steal Israeli land, spoken like a true islamonazi propagandist. You do realise that Israel's troops are all inside Israel don't you, and if Israel allowed hamas free reign it would have fired nuclear weapons at Israel by now. The Blockade of gaza is LEGAL and you can not find any authority that says it isnt
Lets not.
Lets join together against terrorism rather than rewarding terrorism.
No third state in the mandate area.
Jordan and Israel are the two state solution
I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel.
Also, the State of Israel would benefit by withdrawing from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians to create their own independent, sovereign nation-state for several reasons:
A) While there's no absolute guarantee that there wouldn't be any more conflagrations between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel would be better able to protect a smaller area of land (her own country) and her people in the event of any more conflagrations.
B) Israel would regain much of the international sympathy and support that she lost, by giving West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
C) Israel would be relieved of the burden of having to rule over another group of people and to occupy a foreign territory.
D) The Palestinians would benefit by having their own state, and therefore, self-determination, which both peoples have the right to.
"I think that if the Palestinians had the pleasure and responsibility of running their own independent, sovereign nation-state, and were therefore in the position to control their own destiny, they might not think of lobbing rockets or whatever into Israel."
If you review your islamo-history, you will discover that the Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories had precisely the opportunity you describe. Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in 2005 was an opportunity for the Arabs-Moslems to make an attempt at building a working society. However, as one would expect from Islamic terrorists, Israel's withdrawal during August of 2005 was met with rocket fire in September.
What else would one expect from Islamic terrorists?
Israel did withdraw her settlers from Gaza Strip back in 2005, but Israel still controls Gaza Strip's air space and water, which they should give up...now, and withdraw its troops, as well.
So that the Palestinians could steal Israeli land, spoken like a true islamonazi propagandist. You do realise that Israel's troops are all inside Israel don't you, and if Israel allowed hamas free reign it would have fired nuclear weapons at Israel by now. The Blockade of gaza is LEGAL and you can not find any authority that says it isnt
You mean it's an opinion.It's true under International Law.
There would have to be an agreement signed by the UN Security Council, the United States, Israel, top Palestinian leaders, and all the Arab countries, as well as European, Asian and African Countries who are friendly to both Israel and the Palestinians, to insure that no hostilities resume between Israel, the Palestinians or any of the Arab States, in order for the two-state solution to happen.
There would have to be an agreement signed by the UN Security Council, the United States, Israel, top Palestinian leaders, and all the Arab countries, as well as European, Asian and African Countries who are friendly to both Israel and the Palestinians, to insure that no hostilities resume between Israel, the Palestinians or any of the Arab States, in order for the two-state solution to happen.
