If God doesn't exist...

[Mudda]

Are you talking about God or mudda?

lol, good one. Mudda.

lol, good one. God.

Which is how I know you are not objective. Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

The truth usually hurts before it helps. You are the sum of your choices.

And you're a complete idiot. That says a lot about your choices.

 

[Mudda]

Shaddap! Or I'll send you back on TILT!

You are the one who has an external locus of control, ot me. I don't transfer my control to external sources, that's what you do. In fact you just did that when you blamed Brynmr for YOUR actions. It seems that now there are two of us who control you.

Am I allowed to have anyone but god control me?
I bet there's a passage in the bible about that, do you know it?

I'm not sure of what Bible verse you are referring to but you are allowed to do anything you want. It's called free will. Choose wisely because choices have consequences. We live in a universe where there has never been an uncaused event. Effects have causes. At any point in your life you are the sum of your choices.

You want me to worship you, a false idol. Pretty sure that's a no-no in the bible.

I don't care what you believe. The beliefs of a troll are meaningless to me.

So you don't disagree with what I said. Good for you.

 

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Despite the fact that you are making a fringe argument, your argument has two major flaws which are common to all critical theory arguments; 1. your analysis was made in a vacuum; 2. what you did analyze lacked objectivity.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

So getting back to my point that your argument has two major flaws; your argument that God and religion have done little good is not objective and you have yet to tell us what good the alternative to religion has done. Exactly what has militant atheism done? Because as near as I can tell, militant atheism's claim to fame is murdering 200 million people in the 20th century.

Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

I don't think there ever was a time when athiests killed for atheist s

I'm happy most of the time. It is the secret of my success. I suspect Brynmr is too. I doubt very seriously if you are though. People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

Everyone says I'm always happy and I truly am. Politics religion and race are my three things I like to talk about and you can't go around talking about this stuff in public. Everyone knows you don't discuss theses 3 things if you want to have friends. I've toned down my anti GOP schtick at poker games because everyone says " oh brother" when I bring it up. So I'm not a know it all anymore. I listen and ask questions and I say I hope you are right instead of telling them they are wrong.

So they might think I'm angry when really I'm just passionate. Im passionate about atheism too. I look at pedophile priests Scientology and radical Islam and can you blame me? Sorry we lump in good Christians with the other nuts but you really are all just different nuts in a bowl of mixed nuts.

So is mudda a happy person? Just because he passionately believes religions are bad for us doesn't mean that he's angry or a mean person.

I guess it is kind of mean to tell people that there is no God because that would be heartbreaking for them so we don't tell people in public unless we find out we are talking to a fellow atheist or agnostic. Even if the person said they didn't belong to an organized religion. But I don't tell most religious people I know that I don't believe a God exists. Just like I don't wake a sleepwalker.

But anyone who comes here is seeking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And actually you appreciate now more when you realize this is your one shot. Be greatful you got it and live it up

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except the motivations of Mudda. He is here for one thing only, to condemn respect for anyone who believes in God.

No, actually, I came here looking to see why people believe what they believe and if they had any good reasons (proof) for such beliefs. As for you dingbat, you're fucking really obnoxious, and then get all upset when anyone gives it back to you. If you can't take the heat, don't be such an asshole.

No. You came here to mock people because you are a troll and it the only way for you to find happiness. You are just too much of a pussy to admit it.

You're just jealous because you can't get me to believe your bullshit view of the universe, so you got all obnoxious and keep calling me names. A very Christian way?

No. I'm happy enough just sharing my beliefs. I don't have a preference for an outcome which is one of the reasons for my happiness. I never claimed I was a saint. I just called it like I see it. You are a troll. Your only purpose here is to amuse yourself. You are too much of a pussy to admit it.

 

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You are the one who has an external locus of control, ot me. I don't transfer my control to external sources, that's what you do. In fact you just did that when you blamed Brynmr for YOUR actions. It seems that now there are two of us who control you.

Am I allowed to have anyone but god control me?
I bet there's a passage in the bible about that, do you know it?

I'm not sure of what Bible verse you are referring to but you are allowed to do anything you want. It's called free will. Choose wisely because choices have consequences. We live in a universe where there has never been an uncaused event. Effects have causes. At any point in your life you are the sum of your choices.

You want me to worship you, a false idol. Pretty sure that's a no-no in the bible.

I don't care what you believe. The beliefs of a troll are meaningless to me.

So you don't disagree with what I said. Good for you.

Thank you.

 

[ding]

lol, good one. Mudda.

lol, good one. God.

Which is how I know you are not objective. Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

The truth usually hurts before it helps. You are the sum of your choices.

And you're a complete idiot. That says a lot about your choices.

So then you do not believe that you are the sum of your choices? Do you believe in luck or magic?

 

[Brynmr]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


What could be more negative than a religion based on a lie ... or more corrupt.


It's people's greed, lust, pride, anger and jealousy that were the cause of all those things.


no, the written text of christianity is the cause. those that chose to worship a book of lies is the answer and the reason for their history of purposeful oppression.

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How do you know it's a lie. And keep in mind that not everyone wants to get to God. Your reasoning is founded on a straw man argument. You'll have to do better than that.

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How do you know it's a lie.

for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

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You said the religion was based on a lie. I asked how do you know it's a lie. I asked you to prove YOUR assertion that the religion was based on a lie. You assumed it was a lie because the comment came with no physical proof. Pure Land Buddhism says that by relying on Amida Buddha one will gain rebirth in his Pure Land. You can call that absurd or silly but you cannot call it a lie unless you have proof that such a rebirth never happens. And even then, you'd have to show that the one making the claim knew it never happens.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

 

[Mudda]

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I don't think there ever was a time when athiests killed for atheist s
Everyone says I'm always happy and I truly am. Politics religion and race are my three things I like to talk about and you can't go around talking about this stuff in public. Everyone knows you don't discuss theses 3 things if you want to have friends. I've toned down my anti GOP schtick at poker games because everyone says " oh brother" when I bring it up. So I'm not a know it all anymore. I listen and ask questions and I say I hope you are right instead of telling them they are wrong.

So they might think I'm angry when really I'm just passionate. Im passionate about atheism too. I look at pedophile priests Scientology and radical Islam and can you blame me? Sorry we lump in good Christians with the other nuts but you really are all just different nuts in a bowl of mixed nuts.

So is mudda a happy person? Just because he passionately believes religions are bad for us doesn't mean that he's angry or a mean person.

I guess it is kind of mean to tell people that there is no God because that would be heartbreaking for them so we don't tell people in public unless we find out we are talking to a fellow atheist or agnostic. Even if the person said they didn't belong to an organized religion. But I don't tell most religious people I know that I don't believe a God exists. Just like I don't wake a sleepwalker.

But anyone who comes here is seeking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And actually you appreciate now more when you realize this is your one shot. Be greatful you got it and live it up

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except the motivations of Mudda. He is here for one thing only, to condemn respect for anyone who believes in God.

No, actually, I came here looking to see why people believe what they believe and if they had any good reasons (proof) for such beliefs. As for you dingbat, you're fucking really obnoxious, and then get all upset when anyone gives it back to you. If you can't take the heat, don't be such an asshole.

No. You came here to mock people because you are a troll and it the only way for you to find happiness. You are just too much of a pussy to admit it.

You're just jealous because you can't get me to believe your bullshit view of the universe, so you got all obnoxious and keep calling me names. A very Christian way?

No. I'm happy enough just sharing my beliefs. I don't have a preference for an outcome which is one of the reasons for my happiness. I never claimed I was a saint. I just called it like I see it. You are a troll. Your only purpose here is to amuse yourself. You are too much of a pussy to admit it.

You have nothing so you call me names. Your concession is duly noted.

 

[Mudda]

lol, good one. God.

Which is how I know you are not objective. Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

The truth usually hurts before it helps. You are the sum of your choices.

And you're a complete idiot. That says a lot about your choices.

So then you do not believe that you are the sum of your choices? Do you believe in luck or magic?

I have no problem being the sum of my choices, but you sure do!
Luck is for lotteries. Real magic doesn't exist.

 

[ding]

Which is how I know you are not objective. Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

The truth usually hurts before it helps. You are the sum of your choices.

And you're a complete idiot. That says a lot about your choices.

So then you do not believe that you are the sum of your choices? Do you believe in luck or magic?

I have no problem being the sum of my choices, but you sure do!
Luck is for lotteries. Real magic doesn't exist.

I love choice. Everything is choice. You are making real progress.

 

[Mudda]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


What could be more negative than a religion based on a lie ... or more corrupt.


It's people's greed, lust, pride, anger and jealousy that were the cause of all those things.


no, the written text of christianity is the cause. those that chose to worship a book of lies is the answer and the reason for their history of purposeful oppression.

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How do you know it's a lie. And keep in mind that not everyone wants to get to God. Your reasoning is founded on a straw man argument. You'll have to do better than that.

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How do you know it's a lie.

for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

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You said the religion was based on a lie. I asked how do you know it's a lie. I asked you to prove YOUR assertion that the religion was based on a lie. You assumed it was a lie because the comment came with no physical proof. Pure Land Buddhism says that by relying on Amida Buddha one will gain rebirth in his Pure Land. You can call that absurd or silly but you cannot call it a lie unless you have proof that such a rebirth never happens. And even then, you'd have to show that the one making the claim knew it never happens.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

Bry is too embarrassed to say what religion he is, I already asked him.

 

[ding]

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except the motivations of Mudda. He is here for one thing only, to condemn respect for anyone who believes in God.

No, actually, I came here looking to see why people believe what they believe and if they had any good reasons (proof) for such beliefs. As for you dingbat, you're fucking really obnoxious, and then get all upset when anyone gives it back to you. If you can't take the heat, don't be such an asshole.

No. You came here to mock people because you are a troll and it the only way for you to find happiness. You are just too much of a pussy to admit it.

You're just jealous because you can't get me to believe your bullshit view of the universe, so you got all obnoxious and keep calling me names. A very Christian way?

No. I'm happy enough just sharing my beliefs. I don't have a preference for an outcome which is one of the reasons for my happiness. I never claimed I was a saint. I just called it like I see it. You are a troll. Your only purpose here is to amuse yourself. You are too much of a pussy to admit it.

You have nothing so you call me names. Your concession is duly noted.

If it makes you "feel" better. Good for you, Mudda. Good for you.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


What could be more negative than a religion based on a lie ... or more corrupt.


It's people's greed, lust, pride, anger and jealousy that were the cause of all those things.


no, the written text of christianity is the cause. those that chose to worship a book of lies is the answer and the reason for their history of purposeful oppression.

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How do you know it's a lie. And keep in mind that not everyone wants to get to God. Your reasoning is founded on a straw man argument. You'll have to do better than that.

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How do you know it's a lie.

for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

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You said the religion was based on a lie. I asked how do you know it's a lie. I asked you to prove YOUR assertion that the religion was based on a lie. You assumed it was a lie because the comment came with no physical proof. Pure Land Buddhism says that by relying on Amida Buddha one will gain rebirth in his Pure Land. You can call that absurd or silly but you cannot call it a lie unless you have proof that such a rebirth never happens. And even then, you'd have to show that the one making the claim knew it never happens.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

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for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your (christanity) religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

the response was to your assertion people and not the religion is responsible for the religions history of oppression, I simply corrected your statement with the reason why christianity is an oppressive religion, it can not substantiate its written scriptures is why. and is a political document and not a religion.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

nor mine.

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[Mudda]

No, actually, I came here looking to see why people believe what they believe and if they had any good reasons (proof) for such beliefs. As for you dingbat, you're fucking really obnoxious, and then get all upset when anyone gives it back to you. If you can't take the heat, don't be such an asshole.

No. You came here to mock people because you are a troll and it the only way for you to find happiness. You are just too much of a pussy to admit it.

You're just jealous because you can't get me to believe your bullshit view of the universe, so you got all obnoxious and keep calling me names. A very Christian way?

No. I'm happy enough just sharing my beliefs. I don't have a preference for an outcome which is one of the reasons for my happiness. I never claimed I was a saint. I just called it like I see it. You are a troll. Your only purpose here is to amuse yourself. You are too much of a pussy to admit it.

You have nothing so you call me names. Your concession is duly noted.

If it makes you "feel" better. Good for you, Mudda. Good for you.

No, by all means, good for you.

 

[Brynmr]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


What could be more negative than a religion based on a lie ... or more corrupt.


It's people's greed, lust, pride, anger and jealousy that were the cause of all those things.


no, the written text of christianity is the cause. those that chose to worship a book of lies is the answer and the reason for their history of purposeful oppression.

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How do you know it's a lie. And keep in mind that not everyone wants to get to God. Your reasoning is founded on a straw man argument. You'll have to do better than that.

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How do you know it's a lie.

for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

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You said the religion was based on a lie. I asked how do you know it's a lie. I asked you to prove YOUR assertion that the religion was based on a lie. You assumed it was a lie because the comment came with no physical proof. Pure Land Buddhism says that by relying on Amida Buddha one will gain rebirth in his Pure Land. You can call that absurd or silly but you cannot call it a lie unless you have proof that such a rebirth never happens. And even then, you'd have to show that the one making the claim knew it never happens.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

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for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your (christanity) religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

the response was to your assertion people and not the religion is responsible for the religions history of oppression, I simply corrected your statement with the reason why christianity is an oppressive religion, it can not substantiate its written scriptures is why. and is a political document and not a religion.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

nor mine.

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Now you're shifting the argument. I think we can agree that your 'lie' comment didn't hold water.

As to whether or not the statement: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." is true or not, is irrelevant. It can neither be proved true or false. This is where faith comes in. Christianity isn't a religion based on a lie as you claim nor is it a religion based on an untruth as you also now claim. It's a religion based on faith. There is nothing in the statement that is political nor does it inspire hate, greed, violence or oppression. It merely gives assurance to Christians that their salvation is assured through Christ.

You have not shown that my original comment needed any correction. Not in the least.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


What could be more negative than a religion based on a lie ... or more corrupt.


It's people's greed, lust, pride, anger and jealousy that were the cause of all those things.


no, the written text of christianity is the cause. those that chose to worship a book of lies is the answer and the reason for their history of purposeful oppression.

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How do you know it's a lie. And keep in mind that not everyone wants to get to God. Your reasoning is founded on a straw man argument. You'll have to do better than that.

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How do you know it's a lie.

for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

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You said the religion was based on a lie. I asked how do you know it's a lie. I asked you to prove YOUR assertion that the religion was based on a lie. You assumed it was a lie because the comment came with no physical proof. Pure Land Buddhism says that by relying on Amida Buddha one will gain rebirth in his Pure Land. You can call that absurd or silly but you cannot call it a lie unless you have proof that such a rebirth never happens. And even then, you'd have to show that the one making the claim knew it never happens.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

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for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your (christanity) religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

the response was to your assertion people and not the religion is responsible for the religions history of oppression, I simply corrected your statement with the reason why christianity is an oppressive religion, it can not substantiate its written scriptures is why. and is a political document and not a religion.

And FYI: Christianity isn't my religion.

nor mine.

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Now you're shifting the argument. I think we can agree that your 'lie' comment didn't hold water.

As to whether or not the statement: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." is true or not, is irrelevant. It can neither be proved true or false. This is where faith comes in. Christianity isn't a religion based on a lie as you claim nor is it a religion based on an untruth as you also now claim. It's a religion based on faith. There is nothing in the statement that is political nor does it inspire hate, greed, violence or oppression. It merely gives assurance to Christians that their salvation is assured through Christ.

You have not shown that my original comment needed any correction. Not in the least.

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Now you're shifting the argument. I think we can agree that your 'lie' comment didn't hold water.

no I gave the reason why christianity has a 2000 year history of oppression - it is because it is not a religion but a political statement based on religious assertions that are lies


"No one comes to the Father except through me."


this statement was never spoken by Jesus who never claimed to be a god though crucified for it and is only one of many unfounded allegations used as weapons of oppression by the canonization in the 4th century that had no bearings on the relevant biblical events but of the times of its canonization, for the purposes of oppression that continues to this day.

ignoring history is your peril not mine.

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[Brynmr]

no I gave the reason why christianity has a 2000 year history of oppression - it is because it is not a religion but a political statement based on religious assertions that are lies

That's merely your opinion - not a truth.

"No one comes to the Father except through me."


this statement was never spoken by Jesus

Not according to every Bible I Googled. What is your proof this was never spoken by Jesus because there's a lot of proof (or general acceptance) that it was. Also finish the verse with John 14:7.

 

[BreezeWood]

no I gave the reason why christianity has a 2000 year history of oppression - it is because it is not a religion but a political statement based on religious assertions that are lies

That's merely your opinion - not a truth.

"No one comes to the Father except through me."


this statement was never spoken by Jesus

Not according to every Bible I Googled. What is your proof this was never spoken by Jesus because there's a lot of proof (or general acceptance) that it was. Also finish the verse with John 14:7.

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What is your proof this was never spoken by Jesus

you have no proof otherwise ... the spoken religion has no record of it.



Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani . 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?

as stated before this is the final chapter for the individual who spoke those words per the spoken religion which is where your bible originates.


this is about why the history of christianity has a record of oppression since its near beginning and certainly since the 4th century -

I simply stated that you can not blame a few bad apples for over 1600 years of continuous oppression but that it is the canonization of a political objective disguised as a religion as the cause and history is the living proof, that is not something you have yet disproved.

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[Brynmr]

What is your proof this was never spoken by Jesus

you have no proof otherwise ... the spoken religion has no record of it.



Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani . 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?

as stated before this is the final chapter for the individual who spoke those words per the spoken religion which is where your bible originates.

What spoken religion? What are you talking about?

And again: it's not my Bible.

 

[Brynmr]

What is your proof this was never spoken by Jesus

you have no proof otherwise ... the spoken religion has no record of it.

That's not proof to support your comment. Rejected.

 

[sealybobo]

...and science holds the answer to all questions....

Then what kick started the universe?

After all we wouldn't want to violate one of Newton's three laws now would we?

If the scientific answer at this time is we don't know...

Then doesn't that mean a miracle occurred?

*****CHUCKLE*****

Just because you don't know doesn't mean a miracle occured. That's such a primitive unscientific way of thinking.

No, as a rational person because I can't explain something that doesn't mean a miracle occured. Something amazing and miraculous occured that's for sure.

I wonder what was before the big bang? That too is another unknowable thing. Are there other universes? What's beyond our universe?

So what if a God doesn't exist? What if time space and universes are eternal? They must be. If not what did God do before our universe?