If God doesn't exist...

[sealybobo]

I

If a placebo religion makes people feel better without doing any harm to them or other, I'd say go for it. But sorry, religions cause so much hate against others, like women, gays, other religions, doctors... and cause too many wars, even today. So the only strawman argument is the one made by your invisible friend who doesn't actually exist.

Despite the fact that you are making a fringe argument, your argument has two major flaws which are common to all critical theory arguments; 1. your analysis was made in a vacuum; 2. what you did analyze lacked objectivity.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

So getting back to my point that your argument has two major flaws; your argument that God and religion have done little good is not objective and you have yet to tell us what good the alternative to religion has done. Exactly what has militant atheism done? Because as near as I can tell, militant atheism's claim to fame is murdering 200 million people in the 20th century.

Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

I don't think there ever was a time when athiests killed for atheist s

Your god. DUH!

I don't believe in "God". Feeling silly now?

No, if you're going to hide that fact and take pot-shots, then you must be pretty embarrassed about your sect.

I wasn't hiding anything. Your mistake was you presumed what I believed without asking. Now you're compounding your mistake by trying to blame me. You should take some responsibility.

My opinions stand on their own, regardless of anyone's subterfuge, or lack of belief in a god. So you're a loser anyways. Happy?

I'm happy most of the time. It is the secret of my success. I suspect Brynmr is too. I doubt very seriously if you are though. People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

Everyone says I'm always happy and I truly am. Politics religion and race are my three things I like to talk about and you can't go around talking about this stuff in public. Everyone knows you don't discuss theses 3 things if you want to have friends. I've toned down my anti GOP schtick at poker games because everyone says " oh brother" when I bring it up. So I'm not a know it all anymore. I listen and ask questions and I say I hope you are right instead of telling them they are wrong.

So they might think I'm angry when really I'm just passionate. Im passionate about atheism too. I look at pedophile priests Scientology and radical Islam and can you blame me? Sorry we lump in good Christians with the other nuts but you really are all just different nuts in a bowl of mixed nuts.

So is mudda a happy person? Just because he passionately believes religions are bad for us doesn't mean that he's angry or a mean person.

I guess it is kind of mean to tell people that there is no God because that would be heartbreaking for them so we don't tell people in public unless we find out we are talking to a fellow atheist or agnostic. Even if the person said they didn't belong to an organized religion. But I don't tell most religious people I know that I don't believe a God exists. Just like I don't wake a sleepwalker.

But anyone who comes here is seeking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And actually you appreciate now more when you realize this is your one shot. Be greatful you got it and live it up

 

[ding]

I

If a placebo religion makes people feel better without doing any harm to them or other, I'd say go for it. But sorry, religions cause so much hate against others, like women, gays, other religions, doctors... and cause too many wars, even today. So the only strawman argument is the one made by your invisible friend who doesn't actually exist.

Despite the fact that you are making a fringe argument, your argument has two major flaws which are common to all critical theory arguments; 1. your analysis was made in a vacuum; 2. what you did analyze lacked objectivity.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

So getting back to my point that your argument has two major flaws; your argument that God and religion have done little good is not objective and you have yet to tell us what good the alternative to religion has done. Exactly what has militant atheism done? Because as near as I can tell, militant atheism's claim to fame is murdering 200 million people in the 20th century.

Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

I don't think there ever was a time when athiests killed for atheist s

I don't believe in "God". Feeling silly now?

No, if you're going to hide that fact and take pot-shots, then you must be pretty embarrassed about your sect.

I wasn't hiding anything. Your mistake was you presumed what I believed without asking. Now you're compounding your mistake by trying to blame me. You should take some responsibility.

My opinions stand on their own, regardless of anyone's subterfuge, or lack of belief in a god. So you're a loser anyways. Happy?

I'm happy most of the time. It is the secret of my success. I suspect Brynmr is too. I doubt very seriously if you are though. People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

Everyone says I'm always happy and I truly am. Politics religion and race are my three things I like to talk about and you can't go around talking about this stuff in public. Everyone knows you don't discuss theses 3 things if you want to have friends. I've toned down my anti GOP schtick at poker games because everyone says " oh brother" when I bring it up. So I'm not a know it all anymore. I listen and ask questions and I say I hope you are right instead of telling them they are wrong.

So they might think I'm angry when really I'm just passionate. Im passionate about atheism too. I look at pedophile priests Scientology and radical Islam and can you blame me? Sorry we lump in good Christians with the other nuts but you really are all just different nuts in a bowl of mixed nuts.

So is mudda a happy person? Just because he passionately believes religions are bad for us doesn't mean that he's angry or a mean person.

I guess it is kind of mean to tell people that there is no God because that would be heartbreaking for them so we don't tell people in public unless we find out we are talking to a fellow atheist or agnostic. Even if the person said they didn't belong to an organized religion. But I don't tell most religious people I know that I don't believe a God exists. Just like I don't wake a sleepwalker.

But anyone who comes here is seeking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And actually you appreciate now more when you realize this is your one shot. Be greatful you got it and live it up

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except the motivations of Mudda. He is here for one thing only, to condemn respect for anyone who believes in God.

 

[Mudda]

People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

You must be looking in a mirror.

 

[ding]

People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

You must be looking in a mirror.

How so?

 

[Mudda]

Is that why the pope won't let women be equal to men, even in the church?

Again, you're cherry picking. Most Christians I know aren't Catholic and women in their churches are treated equal to men.

So what small sect are you from?

PS dingbat liked your last post and he's a Catholic, lol. I guess he doesn't know what the word means, lol.

This isn't a football game. I don't root for "my" team. I root for truth. If you ever said anything that made sense and was truthful, I'd agree with that too.

You should google the word Catholic, you've obviously lost your way.

How so?

Exactly, you're so lost you don't know you're lost. Start by making a list of all the stuff on page 1 of the bible that you don't think is real and then we'll move to page 2. Ok?

 

[Mudda]

Post #2387. That you don't know something so basic to Christianity shows me your ignorance of the religion.

He doesn't care. He is only here for his own amusement. He is a troll.

Shaddap! Or I'll send you back on TILT!

You are the one who has an external locus of control, ot me. I don't transfer my control to external sources, that's what you do. In fact you just did that when you blamed Brynmr for YOUR actions. It seems that now there are two of us who control you.

Am I allowed to have anyone but god control me?
I bet there's a passage in the bible about that, do you know it?

I'm not sure of what Bible verse you are referring to but you are allowed to do anything you want. It's called free will. Choose wisely because choices have consequences. We live in a universe where there has never been an uncaused event. Effects have causes. At any point in your life you are the sum of your choices.

You want me to worship you, a false idol. Pretty sure that's a no-no in the bible.

 

[Mudda]

Post #2387. That you don't know something so basic to Christianity shows me your ignorance of the religion.

He doesn't care. He is only here for his own amusement. He is a troll.

Are you talking about God or mudda?

lol, good one. Mudda.

lol, good one. God.

Which is how I know you are not objective. Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

 

[Mudda]

I

If a placebo religion makes people feel better without doing any harm to them or other, I'd say go for it. But sorry, religions cause so much hate against others, like women, gays, other religions, doctors... and cause too many wars, even today. So the only strawman argument is the one made by your invisible friend who doesn't actually exist.

Despite the fact that you are making a fringe argument, your argument has two major flaws which are common to all critical theory arguments; 1. your analysis was made in a vacuum; 2. what you did analyze lacked objectivity.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

So getting back to my point that your argument has two major flaws; your argument that God and religion have done little good is not objective and you have yet to tell us what good the alternative to religion has done. Exactly what has militant atheism done? Because as near as I can tell, militant atheism's claim to fame is murdering 200 million people in the 20th century.

Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

I don't think there ever was a time when athiests killed for atheist s

No, if you're going to hide that fact and take pot-shots, then you must be pretty embarrassed about your sect.

I wasn't hiding anything. Your mistake was you presumed what I believed without asking. Now you're compounding your mistake by trying to blame me. You should take some responsibility.

My opinions stand on their own, regardless of anyone's subterfuge, or lack of belief in a god. So you're a loser anyways. Happy?

I'm happy most of the time. It is the secret of my success. I suspect Brynmr is too. I doubt very seriously if you are though. People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

Everyone says I'm always happy and I truly am. Politics religion and race are my three things I like to talk about and you can't go around talking about this stuff in public. Everyone knows you don't discuss theses 3 things if you want to have friends. I've toned down my anti GOP schtick at poker games because everyone says " oh brother" when I bring it up. So I'm not a know it all anymore. I listen and ask questions and I say I hope you are right instead of telling them they are wrong.

So they might think I'm angry when really I'm just passionate. Im passionate about atheism too. I look at pedophile priests Scientology and radical Islam and can you blame me? Sorry we lump in good Christians with the other nuts but you really are all just different nuts in a bowl of mixed nuts.

So is mudda a happy person? Just because he passionately believes religions are bad for us doesn't mean that he's angry or a mean person.

I guess it is kind of mean to tell people that there is no God because that would be heartbreaking for them so we don't tell people in public unless we find out we are talking to a fellow atheist or agnostic. Even if the person said they didn't belong to an organized religion. But I don't tell most religious people I know that I don't believe a God exists. Just like I don't wake a sleepwalker.

But anyone who comes here is seeking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And actually you appreciate now more when you realize this is your one shot. Be greatful you got it and live it up

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except the motivations of Mudda. He is here for one thing only, to condemn respect for anyone who believes in God.

No, actually, I came here looking to see why people believe what they believe and if they had any good reasons (proof) for such beliefs. As for you dingbat, you're fucking really obnoxious, and then get all upset when anyone gives it back to you. If you can't take the heat, don't be such an asshole.

 

[hobelim]

Somehow that got trapped in the previous post, but here it goes again:

No! That is not an answer based on the question. Sure! If you instill that mental illness into your offspring, and then they go about and do things that are detrimental to society, they are still following the religion that the parents taught them. Which tells them that "God" commands and approves those horrific acts.

So it does come back to the "God" question. Because if that bullshit didn't exist, most people wouldn't do the bad things they have done. And if "He" is an omnipotent, benevolent, and all-knowing figure, there are only 4 reasons why He would allow the mass atrocities that have happened in the last 6000 years of recorded human history. I'm talking the really terrible shit.

I was born into that religious bullshit. I refused it as a child, and after many years, learned reality. Luckily, my parents didn't force me to continue the bullshit. But I still did, on my own, researching stuff... and learned a lot of things! Before the internet!

If i was one of those people given the choice to accept or die, during the Crusades and the Inquisitions... I would have probably accepted the BS if I had a family. If i didn't, I would have spit in their faces, and let them burn me as a faggot, and try to take as many of them down before I got burnt.

The question I proposed, and the votes I'd like to see, are based on why a benevolent, omnipotent, all-knowing "God" would let those horrors happen. There are 4 options that I can think of, and I listed them above. If anyone can think of a 5th, feel free to add it....

Ok fine.

I would have to go with #2, he doesn't give a shit.


If you told someone that if they filled their minds with irrational garbage they would become confused and say and do stupid things that injure themselves and others and they did it anyway would you care if they disregarded your warning, filled their heads with irrational garbage, became confused, and did stupid things?

If you saw someone die before your eyes, would you try to revive them a few years later no matter how much you cared? If you didn't would it be because you didn't care?

If a person who claimed to love you disrespected you to your face would you then invite them to a party in your house? Would you care if they had no where else to go?


Even if God exists or doesn't exist, give a shit, or doesn't give a shit, the problem is still with people. They are the cause of the problems that only they can fix.


If people gave a shit, it would not be legal to rape the minds of children, the Pope would not be on national television eating the flesh of a three in one mangod as if it was some holy obligation, and religious hypocrites, actual talking serpents just like in the fairy tale, would be purged from every level and branch of government.


Then maybe God would care and things would improve immediately..........

If you thought something was dead but then saw signs of life wouldn't you immediately try to assist in its revival, but only after seeing signs of life?

Do you give a shit?

 

[Brynmr]

Your god. DUH!

I don't believe in "God". Feeling silly now?

No, if you're going to hide that fact and take pot-shots, then you must be pretty embarrassed about your sect.

I wasn't hiding anything. Your mistake was you presumed what I believed without asking. Now you're compounding your mistake by trying to blame me. You should take some responsibility.

My opinions stand on their own, regardless of anyone's subterfuge, or lack of belief in a god. So you're a loser anyways. Happy?

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Brynmr]

Post #2387. That you don't know something so basic to Christianity shows me your ignorance of the religion.

Yep, hang on to that old saw for dear life! It's all you've got!

Are you too stupid to understand the point I made or are you just covering for your mistakes. I'm guessing the latter.

Good, you have a good hold on your myths. Good for you.

Nothing you're posting has any relation to the points I've been making. You can't respond to them. Ok.

 

[Brynmr]

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

You're just a troll. Off to ignore land for you. Bye....

 

[Mudda]

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

You're just a troll. Off to ignore land for you. Bye....

You never said what religion you are in. Too embarrassed to say? I understand.

 

[Mudda]

Post #2387. That you don't know something so basic to Christianity shows me your ignorance of the religion.

Yep, hang on to that old saw for dear life! It's all you've got!

Are you too stupid to understand the point I made or are you just covering for your mistakes. I'm guessing the latter.

Good, you have a good hold on your myths. Good for you.

Nothing you're posting has any relation to the points I've been making. You can't respond to them. Ok.

You had no serious point.

 

[ding]

Again, you're cherry picking. Most Christians I know aren't Catholic and women in their churches are treated equal to men.

So what small sect are you from?

PS dingbat liked your last post and he's a Catholic, lol. I guess he doesn't know what the word means, lol.

This isn't a football game. I don't root for "my" team. I root for truth. If you ever said anything that made sense and was truthful, I'd agree with that too.

You should google the word Catholic, you've obviously lost your way.

How so?

Exactly, you're so lost you don't know you're lost. Start by making a list of all the stuff on page 1 of the bible that you don't think is real and then we'll move to page 2. Ok?

We've had this conversation like 10 times. You are proving my point about you.

 

[ding]

I

If a placebo religion makes people feel better without doing any harm to them or other, I'd say go for it. But sorry, religions cause so much hate against others, like women, gays, other religions, doctors... and cause too many wars, even today. So the only strawman argument is the one made by your invisible friend who doesn't actually exist.

Despite the fact that you are making a fringe argument, your argument has two major flaws which are common to all critical theory arguments; 1. your analysis was made in a vacuum; 2. what you did analyze lacked objectivity.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

So getting back to my point that your argument has two major flaws; your argument that God and religion have done little good is not objective and you have yet to tell us what good the alternative to religion has done. Exactly what has militant atheism done? Because as near as I can tell, militant atheism's claim to fame is murdering 200 million people in the 20th century.

Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

I don't think there ever was a time when athiests killed for atheist s

I wasn't hiding anything. Your mistake was you presumed what I believed without asking. Now you're compounding your mistake by trying to blame me. You should take some responsibility.

My opinions stand on their own, regardless of anyone's subterfuge, or lack of belief in a god. So you're a loser anyways. Happy?

I'm happy most of the time. It is the secret of my success. I suspect Brynmr is too. I doubt very seriously if you are though. People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

Everyone says I'm always happy and I truly am. Politics religion and race are my three things I like to talk about and you can't go around talking about this stuff in public. Everyone knows you don't discuss theses 3 things if you want to have friends. I've toned down my anti GOP schtick at poker games because everyone says " oh brother" when I bring it up. So I'm not a know it all anymore. I listen and ask questions and I say I hope you are right instead of telling them they are wrong.

So they might think I'm angry when really I'm just passionate. Im passionate about atheism too. I look at pedophile priests Scientology and radical Islam and can you blame me? Sorry we lump in good Christians with the other nuts but you really are all just different nuts in a bowl of mixed nuts.

So is mudda a happy person? Just because he passionately believes religions are bad for us doesn't mean that he's angry or a mean person.

I guess it is kind of mean to tell people that there is no God because that would be heartbreaking for them so we don't tell people in public unless we find out we are talking to a fellow atheist or agnostic. Even if the person said they didn't belong to an organized religion. But I don't tell most religious people I know that I don't believe a God exists. Just like I don't wake a sleepwalker.

But anyone who comes here is seeking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And actually you appreciate now more when you realize this is your one shot. Be greatful you got it and live it up

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except the motivations of Mudda. He is here for one thing only, to condemn respect for anyone who believes in God.

No, actually, I came here looking to see why people believe what they believe and if they had any good reasons (proof) for such beliefs. As for you dingbat, you're fucking really obnoxious, and then get all upset when anyone gives it back to you. If you can't take the heat, don't be such an asshole.

No. You came here to mock people because you are a troll and it the only way for you to find happiness. You are just too much of a pussy to admit it.

 

[ding]

He doesn't care. He is only here for his own amusement. He is a troll.

Shaddap! Or I'll send you back on TILT!

You are the one who has an external locus of control, ot me. I don't transfer my control to external sources, that's what you do. In fact you just did that when you blamed Brynmr for YOUR actions. It seems that now there are two of us who control you.

Am I allowed to have anyone but god control me?
I bet there's a passage in the bible about that, do you know it?

I'm not sure of what Bible verse you are referring to but you are allowed to do anything you want. It's called free will. Choose wisely because choices have consequences. We live in a universe where there has never been an uncaused event. Effects have causes. At any point in your life you are the sum of your choices.

You want me to worship you, a false idol. Pretty sure that's a no-no in the bible.

I don't care what you believe. The beliefs of a troll are meaningless to me.

 

[ding]

He doesn't care. He is only here for his own amusement. He is a troll.

Are you talking about God or mudda?

lol, good one. Mudda.

lol, good one. God.

Which is how I know you are not objective. Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

Why are you talking about yourself so much? Your dog left you?

The truth usually hurts before it helps. You are the sum of your choices.

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


What could be more negative than a religion based on a lie ... or more corrupt.


It's people's greed, lust, pride, anger and jealousy that were the cause of all those things.


no, the written text of christianity is the cause. those that chose to worship a book of lies is the answer and the reason for their history of purposeful oppression.

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How do you know it's a lie. And keep in mind that not everyone wants to get to God. Your reasoning is founded on a straw man argument. You'll have to do better than that.

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How do you know it's a lie.

for such a statement to be true there would require and would exist physical proof of its authenticity, the stawman is your insistence the belief is anymore than your own acquiescence to a false religion. and why your religion has a history of oppression necessary without the compelling proof for its existence when the written text is put in doubt.

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[Mudda]

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If a placebo religion makes people feel better without doing any harm to them or other, I'd say go for it. But sorry, religions cause so much hate against others, like women, gays, other religions, doctors... and cause too many wars, even today. So the only strawman argument is the one made by your invisible friend who doesn't actually exist.

Despite the fact that you are making a fringe argument, your argument has two major flaws which are common to all critical theory arguments; 1. your analysis was made in a vacuum; 2. what you did analyze lacked objectivity.

Religion promotes the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness, humility, chastity, temperance, charity, diligence, patience and kindness. Religion is responsible for the creation of wonderful charities and organizations which serve the betterment of man. Religious persons and institutions are usually the first source of literacy, education, and healthcare in the poorer regions. Religious persons and institutions have been the source of abundant human services from hospitals, orphanages, nursing homes, and schools, to advocacy on behalf of those with no voice, to supporting cultural outreaches, and seeking always to find ways in which to protect and promote human life and its authentic flourishing. Religion gave us the concept of subsidiarity and has done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility Religion teaches accountability and responsibility. Religion teaches that we have a choice in how we behave and that actions have consequences. Religion inspires a sense of wonder in nature and the universe and helps us feel connected to one another and to nature through regular community gatherings. Religion helps us feel less alone in the world by binding the community together. Religion serves to ennoble the human spirit and inspires love, peace and happiness. Religion brings order to our lives by promoting the virtues of thankfulness, forgiveness and humility. Religion brings comfort to the terminally ill and can act as a source of hope for the oppressed. Religion teaches that we can transform ourselves. That it is possible to change for the better. Christian values were the foundation which Western Civilization was built upon. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. Modern science was born in the Catholic Church. Catholic priests developed the idea of free-market. The Catholic Church invented the university. Western law grew out of Church canon law. The Church humanized the West by insisting on the sacredness of all human life. The Church constantly sought to alleviate the evils of slavery and repeatedly denounced the mass enslavement of conquered populations and the infamous slave trade, thereby undermining slavery at its sources. Religion gave us great thinkers, leaders and humanitarians. Religion gave us America. Religion gave us incredible artwork, music and architecture. Christianity has spread democracy throughout the world. Christians fought other Christians in WWII to end their aggression and rebuilt Europe and Japan after WWII. Christians put a man on the moon and ended the cold war.

So getting back to my point that your argument has two major flaws; your argument that God and religion have done little good is not objective and you have yet to tell us what good the alternative to religion has done. Exactly what has militant atheism done? Because as near as I can tell, militant atheism's claim to fame is murdering 200 million people in the 20th century.

Critical theory is the theory to unfairly criticize everything that you don't believe in to validate what you do believe in. The problem is that you never test what you do believe. Critical thinking is used to test what you do believe. Critical theory is used to test what you don't believe.

I don't think there ever was a time when athiests killed for atheist s

My opinions stand on their own, regardless of anyone's subterfuge, or lack of belief in a god. So you're a loser anyways. Happy?

I'm happy most of the time. It is the secret of my success. I suspect Brynmr is too. I doubt very seriously if you are though. People who troll religious forums to mock the beliefs of others do not have true happiness which is why they seek artificial happiness. The problem with that is that it is not satisfying. You need to constantly feed your wolf.

Everyone says I'm always happy and I truly am. Politics religion and race are my three things I like to talk about and you can't go around talking about this stuff in public. Everyone knows you don't discuss theses 3 things if you want to have friends. I've toned down my anti GOP schtick at poker games because everyone says " oh brother" when I bring it up. So I'm not a know it all anymore. I listen and ask questions and I say I hope you are right instead of telling them they are wrong.

So they might think I'm angry when really I'm just passionate. Im passionate about atheism too. I look at pedophile priests Scientology and radical Islam and can you blame me? Sorry we lump in good Christians with the other nuts but you really are all just different nuts in a bowl of mixed nuts.

So is mudda a happy person? Just because he passionately believes religions are bad for us doesn't mean that he's angry or a mean person.

I guess it is kind of mean to tell people that there is no God because that would be heartbreaking for them so we don't tell people in public unless we find out we are talking to a fellow atheist or agnostic. Even if the person said they didn't belong to an organized religion. But I don't tell most religious people I know that I don't believe a God exists. Just like I don't wake a sleepwalker.

But anyone who comes here is seeking the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. And actually you appreciate now more when you realize this is your one shot. Be greatful you got it and live it up

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except the motivations of Mudda. He is here for one thing only, to condemn respect for anyone who believes in God.

No, actually, I came here looking to see why people believe what they believe and if they had any good reasons (proof) for such beliefs. As for you dingbat, you're fucking really obnoxious, and then get all upset when anyone gives it back to you. If you can't take the heat, don't be such an asshole.

No. You came here to mock people because you are a troll and it the only way for you to find happiness. You are just too much of a pussy to admit it.

You're just jealous because you can't get me to believe your bullshit view of the universe, so you got all obnoxious and keep calling me names. A very Christian way?