How To Save Money On Health Care

[overland]

Not going to happen here, there's something inherent in the american psyche that requires seeing others suffer and go without in order to feel successful as an individual. The wealthy must be worshiped, the poor must be demonized. We have no interest in a connected, healthy, educated, vibrant society.

Not only is it not going to happen here, it shouldn't happen here.

Don't assume because one person doesn't want to be forced to fund another person's healthcare, we want to see people suffer. Since it's not my responsibility to provide anyone with healthcare other than those of my choosing, I can't be held accountable is they don't get it. However, since you do think it's your place to do so, anyone suffering is on you since you don't do yourself what you say should be done.

So you are a sociopath. That's too bad. I on the other hand don't want to see people suffer. At least not White people. What you end with doesn't make any sense. Must be that sociopath thing.

What I am is personally responsible for those to whom I owe the responsibility. For what you say to be true would mean I have a responsibility to anyone other than those for which I choose.

What the last part means is if someone suffers, that suffering is the fault of those that think it's their responsibility. Since I have no responsibility to anyone other than those of my choosing, I can't be held accountable if someone doesn't get what you think they should get.

Didn't Jesus say that? I think he did. Meh, fuck society.

No, Jesus didn't say the government should mandate who another person takes care of.

You would be hard pressed to find a bigger piece of shit that Jesus. Though mohammed managed to out do him.

 

[Conservative65]

Not only is it not going to happen here, it shouldn't happen here.

Don't assume because one person doesn't want to be forced to fund another person's healthcare, we want to see people suffer. Since it's not my responsibility to provide anyone with healthcare other than those of my choosing, I can't be held accountable is they don't get it. However, since you do think it's your place to do so, anyone suffering is on you since you don't do yourself what you say should be done.

So you are a sociopath. That's too bad. I on the other hand don't want to see people suffer. At least not White people. What you end with doesn't make any sense. Must be that sociopath thing.

What I am is personally responsible for those to whom I owe the responsibility. For what you say to be true would mean I have a responsibility to anyone other than those for which I choose.

What the last part means is if someone suffers, that suffering is the fault of those that think it's their responsibility. Since I have no responsibility to anyone other than those of my choosing, I can't be held accountable if someone doesn't get what you think they should get.

Didn't Jesus say that? I think he did. Meh, fuck society.

No, Jesus didn't say the government should mandate who another person takes care of.

You would be hard pressed to find a bigger piece of shit that Jesus. Though mohammed managed to out do him.

I have found a big piece of shit. YOU.

 

[Penelope]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

 

[Conservative65]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

That means I provided mine by offering something for which I'm compensated. See how that works. I earned it. Compensation doesn't necessarily mean salary. It includes benefits that one earns by doing something valuable.

 

[overland]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

That means I provided mine by offering something for which I'm compensated. See how that works. I earned it. Compensation doesn't necessarily mean salary. It includes benefits that one earns by doing something valuable.

I already know how you stand. Those who can't afford health care have no value. But I would be willing to bet that your life would change for the worse if all such people just disappeared.

 

[overland]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

I had an uncle who made real good money working for Chevrolet. He was probably covered by a company insurance plan. One that probably wouldn't have dropped him if he forgot to mention that he had a tooth pulled when he was a kid.

 

[Conservative65]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

That means I provided mine by offering something for which I'm compensated. See how that works. I earned it. Compensation doesn't necessarily mean salary. It includes benefits that one earns by doing something valuable.

I already know how you stand. Those who can't afford health care have no value. But I would be willing to bet that your life would change for the worse if all such people just disappeared.

Since you think those that don't have it should be provided with it, when you don't do what you say should be done, you're saying they have no value because you're unwilling to do for them.

How would my life be worse if those constantly demanding someone else provide for them what they should be providing for themselves disappeared. How could keeping more of the money I'VE earned be worse?

 

[overland]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

That means I provided mine by offering something for which I'm compensated. See how that works. I earned it. Compensation doesn't necessarily mean salary. It includes benefits that one earns by doing something valuable.

I already know how you stand. Those who can't afford health care have no value. But I would be willing to bet that your life would change for the worse if all such people just disappeared.

Since you think those that don't have it should be provided with it, when you don't do what you say should be done, you're saying they have no value because you're unwilling to do for them.

How would my life be worse if those constantly demanding someone else provide for them what they should be providing for themselves disappeared. How could keeping more of the money I'VE earned be worse?

I could reply to the first part. But it isn't necessary. Because you're missing the whole point. Didn't you read the statistics I added in my thread? As a percentage of a countries GDP, those who provide universal health care use less of it to provide health care than the U.S. What would that mean? More money in your pocket! Not less you buffoon.

Next, your life would be worse because if the people you want to shit on disappeared, who would fix your sink, scan your items at a store, flip your burgers, paint your garage or any of a zillion other things.

 

[Penelope]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

That means I provided mine by offering something for which I'm compensated. See how that works. I earned it. Compensation doesn't necessarily mean salary. It includes benefits that one earns by doing something valuable.

Well your not one to give advice on healthcare, your answer is get a job who employer pays for it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

So you are a sociopath. That's too bad. I on the other hand don't want to see people suffer. At least not White people. What you end with doesn't make any sense. Must be that sociopath thing.

What I am is personally responsible for those to whom I owe the responsibility. For what you say to be true would mean I have a responsibility to anyone other than those for which I choose.

What the last part means is if someone suffers, that suffering is the fault of those that think it's their responsibility. Since I have no responsibility to anyone other than those of my choosing, I can't be held accountable if someone doesn't get what you think they should get.

Didn't Jesus say that? I think he did. Meh, fuck society.

No, Jesus didn't say the government should mandate who another person takes care of.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, that was insurance corporations should. So we welcomed it.

No my fault you want to misrepresent the teachings of Jesus then whine when proven wrong.

The point was rather that you insist you have an issue with a government mandating who another person takes care of, but you have no qualms if an insurance corporation does, that's all. And I'm assuming you have or have at some point had health insurance. Perhaps I'm incorrect in that assumption.

 

[Fenton Lum]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

We're all paying for all of it anyway, just horribly ineffectively, inefficiently and more expensively than others.

There's an easy solution to that. If you can't pay, don't have coverage, or find one of you bleeding hearts that thinks someone should get what they don't provide themselves to do so, do without.

May you and your family encounter someone just like that with no coverage who has multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis and a nice forceful cough sir.

 

[Fenton Lum]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

Who has an employee who pays for his insurance.

That means I provided mine by offering something for which I'm compensated. See how that works. I earned it. Compensation doesn't necessarily mean salary. It includes benefits that one earns by doing something valuable.

You have insurance and you willingly engage in collectivism sir.

 

[Fenton Lum]

How do you do that? Just institute universal health care! It's as simple as that! Also, just for argument's sake, let's say that universal health care cost the average U.S. citizen an extra $200.00 dollars a year in taxes. That comes out to a little over $4.00 a week! Could you live without four extra dollars in your pocket each week? And if it's a problem, just ask your boss for a $4.00 a week raise. Problem solved. I will show you what other countries pay for universal health care as a percentage of their GDP. For those who are against universal health care, read it and weep.View attachment 107192

The $4/week isn't a problem. It has nothing to do with the money but you idiots keep making it out as if it is. I don't care if it's a penny. That's one cent too much if one group is forced to fund it for another. Saying that whatever amount it is isn't much makes it out as if those having something owe those that don't. That's not true.

I have a better solution. I'll provide mine and you provide yours and anyone else of your choosing with your money. If you can't, do without.

I can agree with part of what you say. For example, the idea of paying to keep a negro or mexican healthy repulses me. But the sad fact of the matter is that your way doesn't work.

How do you know my way doesn't work. It hasn't been truly tried to where those saying one person should help provide healthcare coverage to another get the bill and those that don't think it's their responsibility pay nothing toward it.

Because you have insurance son, that's why. You pool resources and take out as needed spreading risk across the larger group. Willingly, eagerly, and your employer kicks in, and you drag your family in and make other premium payers pay for your deadbeatass family who doesn’t even work for your empoyer.

 

[francoHFW]

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[dblack]

Minimize our reliance on insurance.

 

[overland]

Minimize our reliance on insurance.

You have hit on one of the main points. The people who work for insurance companies are useless parasites. They are a pimple on society's ass that need to be squeezed! It wouldn't bother me if most of them were taken out, put against a wall and shot!

 

[dblack]

Minimize our reliance on insurance.

You have hit on one of the main points. The people who work for insurance companies are useless parasites. They are a pimple on society's ass that need to be squeezed! It wouldn't bother me if most of them were taken out, put against a wall and shot!

Uh, well. - no. The idea here is to avoid violence. I was thinking more along the lines of reducing our reliance on insurance to pay ordinary medical bills. That's where it all went south. Insurance is a scheme for hedging risk, not a lifelong financing mechanism.

 

[overland]

Minimize our reliance on insurance.

You have hit on one of the main points. The people who work for insurance companies are useless parasites. They are a pimple on society's ass that need to be squeezed! It wouldn't bother me if most of them were taken out, put against a wall and shot!

Uh, well. - no. The idea here is to avoid violence. I was thinking more along the lines of reducing our reliance on insurance to pay ordinary medical bills. That's where it all went south. Insurance is a scheme for hedging risk, not a lifelong financing mechanism.

The violence has already been committed against me. For what the insurance industry did to me, I would like to see massive piles of heads of those who work in the insurance industry.

 

[dblack]

Minimize our reliance on insurance.

You have hit on one of the main points. The people who work for insurance companies are useless parasites. They are a pimple on society's ass that need to be squeezed! It wouldn't bother me if most of them were taken out, put against a wall and shot!

Uh, well. - no. The idea here is to avoid violence. I was thinking more along the lines of reducing our reliance on insurance to pay ordinary medical bills. That's where it all went south. Insurance is a scheme for hedging risk, not a lifelong financing mechanism.

The violence has already been committed against me. For what the insurance industry did to me, I would like to see massive piles of heads of those who work in the insurance industry.

There's plenty of blame to around. Naive, or even crooked, politicians gave the insurance corporations the power to fuck us over. Now they're trying to give them more. We don't need revenge. We simply need the freedom to pay for health care as we wish. The power to say "no" is the insurance companies that aren't providing us value for our money.

 

[overland]

Minimize our reliance on insurance.

You have hit on one of the main points. The people who work for insurance companies are useless parasites. They are a pimple on society's ass that need to be squeezed! It wouldn't bother me if most of them were taken out, put against a wall and shot!

Uh, well. - no. The idea here is to avoid violence. I was thinking more along the lines of reducing our reliance on insurance to pay ordinary medical bills. That's where it all went south. Insurance is a scheme for hedging risk, not a lifelong financing mechanism.

The violence has already been committed against me. For what the insurance industry did to me, I would like to see massive piles of heads of those who work in the insurance industry.

There's plenty of blame to around. Naive, or even crooked, politicians gave the insurance corporations the power to fuck us over. Now they're trying to give them more. We don't need revenge. We simply need the freedom to pay for health care as we wish. The power to say "no" is the insurance companies that aren't providing us value for our money.

Words won't dissuade those in power. Thomas Jefferson himself basically said that from time to time, the tree of liberty would need to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants. And Mao pointed out that power flows from the barrel of a gun. And after the French Revolution, they knew the way to deal with the diseased ideas about power were best dealt with using guillotines.