How Socialism Ruined My Country

[Toro]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

It's so funny how liberals take it so personally when socialism is attacked. They immediately have to spring to its defense by attacking capitalism. Libs hate capitalism just as much as they do Christians and whites.

It's funny how you'll jump to 100 wrong conclusions at the same time.

I'm not a Socialist and I don't like Socialism.

The point I was making was that just because Venezuela isn't working, doesn't mean it's because of Socialism at all. Partly it's due to the people in charge. Maduro is an idiot, he's your typical nonsense politician who's more interested in being in charge than actually doing anything useful, he's a bit like Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, another muppet Socialist who is very good at playing the game, but wouldn't be able to run a kids' birthday party.

People will say that Socialism doesn't work, but all systems can fail. It's not that hard. You get the US going around the world bullying other countries, not giving a damn about other countries as long as they get what they want. Does Syria work right now? Hell no it doesn't, and that's due to things like the US destabilizing the region. Oh, how great Capitalism works, hey.

Perspective dude, that's what I'm offering, you're offering bad assumptions.

Socialism is the main reason why Venezuela is falling apart.

A similar playbook has happened in many countries.

Which makes the assumption that a good socialist leader would have led them down the exact path they are on now. I don't agree with that. I think their main problems are because of their leadership being awful. Maduro is not Chavez.

But had the price of oil not dropped, then Maduro probably wouldn't be having so many problems either. When you have an economy which has, quite frankly, been fucked over by the US for so long, then the economy might have been better, and might have been able to cope without relying heavily on oil. But it did, and Chavez got elected because he promised hope of getting out of the US's shadow.

It's a complex situation, and one where you can't just blame it on Socialism. And I think Socialism is mostly unworkable. However I also support things like socialized healthcare, police, armed forces etc.

This is on Chavez. Maduro merely inherited the problem.

Chavez was grossly incompetent. He ramped up spending when oil was at all time highs, ran deficits even then, and eviscerated PdVSa causing production to fall. When inflation started to soar, he implemented capital controls, pegged the bolivar, and fixed prices on many goods. Unsurprisingly to anyone who isn't an economic idiot, shortages occurred because businesses wouldn't operate at a loss. Chavez then started seizing businesses, blaming them for the shortages, curtailing investment even further.

After Chavez died, oil collapsed. But the economy was heading south beforehand.

This has happened many times before. As Marx said, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.

 

[JoeB131]

No, (and you left out Bahrain, Yemen and Libya)....they were destroyed by the military might of USA.INC and their proxy army ISIS/al qaeda. "Crony capitalism" is simply socialism in it's most despotic form.

I blame the Lizard People. The LIzard People are behind it all.

 

[JoeB131]

Brazil was a shithole before socialism and it was a shithole after.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt.

No you're a lying sack of shit, fucking moron, it was Bill Clinton's law he signed that started the Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank's Great Recession. Liberals have NO HONOR, and lie all the time.
Did Bill Clinton's welfare reforms make the Great Recession worse?

The law was premised on "fairy tales about young bucks buying steaks and welfare queens with their Cadillacs," when it actually "gave everybody permission not to care about poverty anymore."

Just like with Obamacare, the liberals come in and break shit, then expect the Republicans to fix it. Time and again, liberalism is all about FAILURE..

These excerpts from the hearings show the "willful blindness" and corruption that went into the Democrats continual support for these two criminal enterprises, and the efforts made by the Republicans to clean up what everyone knew was coming . . .

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Shall we list the countries destroyed by capitalism?

Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc etc?

It's so funny how liberals take it so personally when socialism is attacked. They immediately have to spring to its defense by attacking capitalism. Libs hate capitalism just as much as they do Christians and whites.

It's funny how you'll jump to 100 wrong conclusions at the same time.

I'm not a Socialist and I don't like Socialism.

The point I was making was that just because Venezuela isn't working, doesn't mean it's because of Socialism at all. Partly it's due to the people in charge. Maduro is an idiot, he's your typical nonsense politician who's more interested in being in charge than actually doing anything useful, he's a bit like Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, another muppet Socialist who is very good at playing the game, but wouldn't be able to run a kids' birthday party.

People will say that Socialism doesn't work, but all systems can fail. It's not that hard. You get the US going around the world bullying other countries, not giving a damn about other countries as long as they get what they want. Does Syria work right now? Hell no it doesn't, and that's due to things like the US destabilizing the region. Oh, how great Capitalism works, hey.

Perspective dude, that's what I'm offering, you're offering bad assumptions.

Socialism is the main reason why Venezuela is falling apart.

A similar playbook has happened in many countries.

Which makes the assumption that a good socialist leader would have led them down the exact path they are on now. I don't agree with that. I think their main problems are because of their leadership being awful. Maduro is not Chavez.

But had the price of oil not dropped, then Maduro probably wouldn't be having so many problems either. When you have an economy which has, quite frankly, been fucked over by the US for so long, then the economy might have been better, and might have been able to cope without relying heavily on oil. But it did, and Chavez got elected because he promised hope of getting out of the US's shadow.

It's a complex situation, and one where you can't just blame it on Socialism. And I think Socialism is mostly unworkable. However I also support things like socialized healthcare, police, armed forces etc.

This is on Chavez. Maduro merely inherited the problem.

Chavez was grossly incompetent. He ramped up spending when oil was at all time highs, ran deficits even then, and eviscerated PdVSa causing production to fall. When inflation started to soar, he implemented capital controls, pegged the bolivar, and fixed prices on many goods. Unsurprisingly to anyone who isn't an economic idiot, shortages occurred because businesses wouldn't operate at a loss. Chavez then started seizing businesses, blaming them for the shortages, curtailing investment even further.

After Chavez died, oil collapsed. But the economy was heading south beforehand.

This has happened many times before. As Marx said, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.

Socialism doesn't work for anything larger than a tiny village.

 

[JoeB131]

No you're a lying sack of shit, fucking moron, it was Bill Clinton's law he signed that started the Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank's Great Recession. Liberals have NO HONOR, and lie all the time.

Sorry, man, poor people didn't have enough money to create the Great Recession. The Great recession wasn't caused by poor people buying homes.

It was caused by rich people misrepresenting the value of mortgages and selling them as investments.

Just like with Obamacare, the liberals come in and break shit, then expect the Republicans to fix it. Time and again, liberalism is all about FAILURE..

then why do the Recessions only seem to happen when Republicans are in charge?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

It's so funny how liberals take it so personally when socialism is attacked. They immediately have to spring to its defense by attacking capitalism. Libs hate capitalism just as much as they do Christians and whites.

It's funny how you'll jump to 100 wrong conclusions at the same time.

I'm not a Socialist and I don't like Socialism.

The point I was making was that just because Venezuela isn't working, doesn't mean it's because of Socialism at all. Partly it's due to the people in charge. Maduro is an idiot, he's your typical nonsense politician who's more interested in being in charge than actually doing anything useful, he's a bit like Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, another muppet Socialist who is very good at playing the game, but wouldn't be able to run a kids' birthday party.

People will say that Socialism doesn't work, but all systems can fail. It's not that hard. You get the US going around the world bullying other countries, not giving a damn about other countries as long as they get what they want. Does Syria work right now? Hell no it doesn't, and that's due to things like the US destabilizing the region. Oh, how great Capitalism works, hey.

Perspective dude, that's what I'm offering, you're offering bad assumptions.

Socialism is the main reason why Venezuela is falling apart.

A similar playbook has happened in many countries.

Which makes the assumption that a good socialist leader would have led them down the exact path they are on now. I don't agree with that. I think their main problems are because of their leadership being awful. Maduro is not Chavez.

But had the price of oil not dropped, then Maduro probably wouldn't be having so many problems either. When you have an economy which has, quite frankly, been fucked over by the US for so long, then the economy might have been better, and might have been able to cope without relying heavily on oil. But it did, and Chavez got elected because he promised hope of getting out of the US's shadow.

It's a complex situation, and one where you can't just blame it on Socialism. And I think Socialism is mostly unworkable. However I also support things like socialized healthcare, police, armed forces etc.

This is on Chavez. Maduro merely inherited the problem.

Chavez was grossly incompetent. He ramped up spending when oil was at all time highs, ran deficits even then, and eviscerated PdVSa causing production to fall. When inflation started to soar, he implemented capital controls, pegged the bolivar, and fixed prices on many goods. Unsurprisingly to anyone who isn't an economic idiot, shortages occurred because businesses wouldn't operate at a loss. Chavez then started seizing businesses, blaming them for the shortages, curtailing investment even further.

After Chavez died, oil collapsed. But the economy was heading south beforehand.

This has happened many times before. As Marx said, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce.

Socialism doesn't work for anything larger than a tiny village.

The Pilgrim’s Failed Socialist Experiment

It further noted “that at the end of the seven years, the capital and profits, viz. the houses, lands, goods and chattels, be equally divided betwixt the Adventurers and Planters…” During this time the colonists were to “have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock and goods of the said colony.” It doesn’t get more socialistic than this because the government divvied out the goods and loafers received the same as those who worked.

And Sam Bradford continued

The first two years the result was shortages and starvation. About half the colonists died. No one did more than the minimal because the incentive to excel was destroyed. The industrious were neutralized. Bradford wrote of the scarcity of food “no supply was heard of, neither knew they when they might expect any.” The socialist experiment Bradford added, “was found to breed much confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been to the benefit and comfort. For the young men, that were most able and fit for labour and service, did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men’s wives and children without any recompense….” In other words, socialism made strong men lazy.

It always ends this way, even today, with abled bodied liberals on welfare, instead of working, having personal satisfaction, those liberals, sit on their ass, use EBT and get healthcare while watching Netflix in their parents basements. Socialism breeds FAILURE, always has , always will, no matter what size the village is.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

No you're a lying sack of shit, fucking moron, it was Bill Clinton's law he signed that started the Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank's Great Recession. Liberals have NO HONOR, and lie all the time.

Sorry, man, poor people didn't have enough money to create the Great Recession. The Great recession wasn't caused by poor people buying homes.

It was caused by rich people misrepresenting the value of mortgages and selling them as investments.

Just like with Obamacare, the liberals come in and break shit, then expect the Republicans to fix it. Time and again, liberalism is all about FAILURE..

then why do the Recessions only seem to happen when Republicans are in charge?

From the hypocrite with 2 houses and not willing to share with someone less fortunate.
The poor were getting subprime loans, where they couldn't afford them, but Barney, Chris and Maxine, went after banks who red lined them as being racist. Also these poor could do 5 year turn around mortgages, turning that time into a lucrative business as long as the housing economy supported it, but in 2006 when I looked into a new house and was offered a 5 year ARM, I saw trouble brewing, as the supply definitely outgrew the demand. Those with many subprimes, couldn't sell them off, and the housing bubble collapsed. Morons like Joe, who doesn't share, has his head shoved way up Uranus.

 

[JoeB131]

Hey, Andy, I'm still waiting for you to explain why the 1% deserve 43% of the wealth when they do not do 43% of the labor.

 

[JoeB131]

From the hypocrite with 2 houses and not willing to share with someone less fortunate.

Exactly that. I didn't buy houses I couldn't afford on the hope of flipping them.

Unlike all these people who thought that real estate was a get rich quick scheme, only to have it backfire on them.

The poor were getting subprime loans, where they couldn't afford them, but Barney, Chris and Maxine, went after banks who red lined them as being racist. Also these poor could do 5 year turn around mortgages, turning that time into a lucrative business as long as the housing economy supported it, but in 2006 when I looked into a new house and was offered a 5 year ARM, I saw trouble brewing, as the supply definitely outgrew the demand. Those with many subprimes, couldn't sell them off, and the housing bubble collapsed.

Except, again, these weren't the problem.

The problem wasn't that poor people in Chicago were buying a bungalow for $100,000.

It was that middle class people were buying a huge McMansion out in Schaumburg they couldn't afford, on the hope that they could flip in in 5 years.

Instead, the prices collapsed when you had too many of these abominations on the market, and these folks lost their shirts.

So I would drive to work from 2008 past these half finished McMansions that no one bothered to keep working on until about 2014.

 

[JoeB131]

It always ends this way, even today, with abled bodied liberals on welfare, instead of working, having personal satisfaction, those liberals, sit on their ass, use EBT and get healthcare while watching Netflix in their parents basements. Socialism breeds FAILURE, always has , always will, no matter what size the village is.

How many able bodied people do you think are actually doing that?

I'd have no problem if you put work requirement on welfare. I think the people who would have a problem with that are the private sector employers who would have to compete with that to get help.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Hey, Andy, I'm still waiting for you to explain why the 1% deserve 43% of the wealth when they do not do 43% of the labor.

Why does a Liberal Hollywood Star making 100's of millions of dollars, making a movie? Why does a Sports Athlete make 10's of thousands of dollars per minute played? I have been investing since 1987 and have amassed millions of dollars, while having a lucrative business refurbishing depressed housing. Warren Buffet who has 1000 times what I do, does he deserve the 43% of the wealth? Get off your ass Joe, be a REAL man, take some risks and make something of yourself, not rely on the government to take what I have, and give some of it to you, while keeping most of it for themselves. You are such a bitter old guy, who even when the rich are taxed the most, you cant be happy. Liberalism is all about equality, where everyone is equally poor and equally miserable, that is called FAIRNESS.

 

[Mac1958]

Socialism is the main reason why Venezuela is falling apart. A similar playbook has happened in many countries.

Yep.

The problem here is that our form of capitalism could easily be tweaked. For example, finance remains under-regulated and personal income taxation and wage disparities are contributing to a rapidly-increasing wealth gap.

However, on the other side, the anti-capitalists are ignoring the fact that tweaks are possible, and they're using that to throw the baby out with the bathwater. To them, there are no tweaks for capitalism, and they've convinced themselves that socialism could work if we just did it right. Ha.

As usual, everyone is screaming, no one is listening.
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[Mikeoxenormous]

From the hypocrite with 2 houses and not willing to share with someone less fortunate.

Exactly that. I didn't buy houses I couldn't afford on the hope of flipping them.

Unlike all these people who thought that real estate was a get rich quick scheme, only to have it backfire on them.

The poor were getting subprime loans, where they couldn't afford them, but Barney, Chris and Maxine, went after banks who red lined them as being racist. Also these poor could do 5 year turn around mortgages, turning that time into a lucrative business as long as the housing economy supported it, but in 2006 when I looked into a new house and was offered a 5 year ARM, I saw trouble brewing, as the supply definitely outgrew the demand. Those with many subprimes, couldn't sell them off, and the housing bubble collapsed.

Except, again, these weren't the problem.

The problem wasn't that poor people in Chicago were buying a bungalow for $100,000.

It was that middle class people were buying a huge McMansion out in Schaumburg they couldn't afford, on the hope that they could flip in in 5 years.

Instead, the prices collapsed when you had too many of these abominations on the market, and these folks lost their shirts.

So I would drive to work from 2008 past these half finished McMansions that no one bothered to keep working on until about 2014.

Back in 2004, it was a problem , the Bush admin spoke out about it, and those 3 EVIL people, kept the bullshit going. Stop trying to rewrite history Joe, you hypocrite with 2 houses, todays media of Youtube and the internet shows the truth.

 

[gipper]

Seems to me the USA has lots of politicians that would love to replicate the disaster in Brazil. Obama did his best and followed much the same game plan, as the socialists in Brazil. Bernie planned to finish us off, by disingenuously and deviously offering all sorts of free shit. Offering free shit until the nation's economy is destroyed...that is Socialism, but somehow the ruling and wealthy classes do very well. One would think all would see the transparent plan, but one would be wrong.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I've been informed that the thread will be deleted if I don't add my own content. Here it is. Socialism is a failed sociopolitical ideology that never lasts more than a couple of decades, not with out the body politic murdering a significant number of the population.

The cheerleaders will cry true socialism has never been tried, my question to that claim, why not ? If the ideology is so great we should have an over abundance of successful socialist states but there aren't any. Another claim is a mix of ideologies work and they might for a short time until the government starts spending more than it takes in the only choice to continue is raise taxes or cut services.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Socialism is the main reason why Venezuela is falling apart. A similar playbook has happened in many countries.

Yep.

The problem here is that our form of capitalism could easily be tweaked. For example, finance remains under-regulated and personal income taxation and wage disparities are contributing to a rapidly-increasing wealth gap.

However, on the other side, the anti-capitalists are ignoring the fact that tweaks are possible, and they're using that to throw the baby out with the bathwater. To them, there are no tweaks for capitalism, and they've convinced themselves that socialism could work if we just did it right. Ha.

As usual, everyone is screaming, no one is listening.
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personal income taxation and wage disparities are contributing to a rapidly-increasing wealth gap.

Notice how moronic these liberals are? How after years of Obama and HIS economic policies SHOVED down the throats of US citizens, with the Feckless Republicans doing nothing to stop him, there is a rapidly increasing wealth gap? With liberal thinking, it is easy to see why liberals are so stupid.
Obama’s Wage Gap Hypocrisy Persists

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[Mikeoxenormous]

I've been informed that the thread will be deleted if I don't add my own content. Here it is. Socialism is a failed sociopolitical ideology that never lasts more than a couple of decades, not with out the body politic murdering a significant number of the population.

The cheerleaders will cry true socialism has never been tried, my question to that claim, why not ? If the ideology is so great we should have an over abundance of successful socialist states but there aren't any. Another claim is a mix of ideologies work and they might for a short time until the government starts spending more than it takes in the only choice to continue is raise taxes or cut services.

Totally correct. Capitalism isn't perfect and can never be perfect, because there are people in the US who have turned away from God, and do not understand that without God's gift they cannot achieve their own personal satisfaction through hard work. The Constitution allowed US those rights given from God, but all the time, those Socialist/Marxists constantly try to take our God given rights away. Such miserable people the liberals are.

Elvis Presley - Singer - Gospel made millions, turned away from God, died in his 40's
Whitney Houston - Singer, Gospel made millions, turned away from God, died in his 40's
Michael Jackson - Singer, Pop Made millions, turned away from God, died in his 50's
Daryl Strawberry - Baseball Player, Made millions, turned away from God, lost his fortunes and abilities, became a preacher of God.
Tiger Woods - Golfer, Made millions, turned away from God, cant win a tournament anymore.

God gives the gifts, God takes the gifts away.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

It always ends this way, even today, with abled bodied liberals on welfare, instead of working, having personal satisfaction, those liberals, sit on their ass, use EBT and get healthcare while watching Netflix in their parents basements. Socialism breeds FAILURE, always has , always will, no matter what size the village is.

How many able bodied people do you think are actually doing that?

I'd have no problem if you put work requirement on welfare. I think the people who would have a problem with that are the private sector employers who would have to compete with that to get help.

47%
Before you open you piehole Joe(the hypocrite) you better make sure you are ready for the answer.

Why Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” comment was so bad

The new face of SNAP? Food stamps buy lobster for surfer and his buddies [VIDEO]

The new face of SNAP? Food stamps buy lobster for surfer and his buddies

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Capitalism in the US just recently created The Bush Great Recessoin, and 20 trillion dollars of debt. The US has a president that hands out government jobs to his friends and family like candy on Halloween. He colluded with a foreign adversary to fix the US election. And he and his allies in Congress are working on a tax cut that will cut taxes on the poor by $40 but cut taxes on wealthy people by $1,000,000.

Yeah that shit is working like a well oiled machine in America.

All successful governments are a mix of Capitalism and Socialism. There aren't any Americans volunteering to pay for and pave their own roads, they expect the Society collectively to pay for that. One example out of thousands. People don't equate roads with 'socialism' because they've always been there. Someone has to pay for them, and 95% of the population could not afford to pay for even a 1/4 mile of a paved road.

Everyone that believes they are pure capitalists you need to pry your lips off the socialist teet first. The video in the OP is simple minded and directed at simple minded people. Corruption leads to debt and disaster? Yeah no shit, just check with Wallstreet in September 2008.

That recession was caused by the Congress forcing lenders to give money to people who could never pay it back. It wasn't Bush as a matter of fact his administration warned that there was a problem with lenders Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and a certain Democrat claiming there was no problem.

Roads are not a socialist entity I get a benefit from them the same goes for the police and fire departments. If the public wants better services then they will collectively agree to give more money in the form of higher taxes. Socialism doesn't give you this opportunity its basically coercion at the point of a gun.