CDZ How many things do anti gunners get wrong....let us count the ways...

[alang1216]

The rock that doesn't crumble diverts a river.

Actually all rocks crumble eventually.

 

[hunarcy]

YOU don't have practical solutions, so why demand one of me?

Do you support the Dickey Amendment?

I do not believe that government funds should be used to limit the lawful exercise of a citizen's human right.

 

[hunarcy]

The rock that doesn't crumble diverts a river.

Actually all rocks crumble eventually.

And all trees die. Every platitude has its limit.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You can dig in your heels, like the NRA does or you can reach out to folks like me with concerns and compromise.

You have not offered a compromise.

Support for background checks and other recent measures being debated in the Senate hovered around 90% but none can pass.

I'm sorry -- what compromise do you believe you offer here?
Sounds to me you do not seek compromise, but acquiescence.

Remember, it is the SCOTUS that interpreted the 2nd as a personal right. With new court members it could be reinterpreted to mean a right to form a militia.
It can also strike gay marriage, Obamacare and Roe v Wade. your point?

The tree that does not bend will break.

So... you had no real point. Thank you .

 

[Skull Pilot]

You cannot compare an accident to suicide.

And It's not up to me or you for that matter to presume that people who commit suicide are mentally ill.

It is an assumption that a person must be wrong in the head to want to die. I won't make that assumption

Every person has the absolute right to decide whether they live or die. I have no right to tell them otherwise and neither do you

Allow me share a personal anecdote (please don't tell anyone).

My father, a man with no mental issues was diagnosed with cataracts. He managed to convince himself he was going blind and attempted to kill himself with a overdose of pills. The success rate for pills is about 2%, the percent with a gun is 89%. He survived the attempt, had the surgery, and lived another 20 or so good years. I'm sure he never regretted surviving. Was he in his right mind when he attempted suicide? If he had used a gun he likely would have missed out on 20 years of life.

And it would have been his choice.

 

[GaryDog]

You cannot compare an accident to suicide.

And It's not up to me or you for that matter to presume that people who commit suicide are mentally ill.

It is an assumption that a person must be wrong in the head to want to die. I won't make that assumption

Every person has the absolute right to decide whether they live or die. I have no right to tell them otherwise and neither do you

Allow me share a personal anecdote (please don't tell anyone).

My father, a man with no mental issues was diagnosed with cataracts. He managed to convince himself he was going blind and attempted to kill himself with a overdose of pills. The success rate for pills is about 2%, the percent with a gun is 89%. He survived the attempt, had the surgery, and lived another 20 or so good years. I'm sure he never regretted surviving. Was he in his right mind when he attempted suicide? If he had used a gun he likely would have missed out on 20 years of life.

And it would have been his choice.

Your posts shows a failure to understand the true nature of depression.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You are not taking my guns or my Second Amendment rights on the basis of a hunch

To do guarantee that you have to ensure you have the majority of the US on your side. You can dig in your heels, like the NRA does or you can reach out to folks like me with concerns and compromise. Remember, it is the SCOTUS that interpreted the 2nd as a personal right. With new court members it could be reinterpreted to mean a right to form a militia.

So you tell me how any of the guns I own are a danger to you or anyone else.

And then tell me why with my 30 plus years of owning and shooting I can't have any gun I want?

I have proven that I am responsible and you have no right to tell me I have to do anything different because of what some other people may or may not do

 

[Skull Pilot]

You cannot compare an accident to suicide.

And It's not up to me or you for that matter to presume that people who commit suicide are mentally ill.

It is an assumption that a person must be wrong in the head to want to die. I won't make that assumption

Every person has the absolute right to decide whether they live or die. I have no right to tell them otherwise and neither do you

Allow me share a personal anecdote (please don't tell anyone).

My father, a man with no mental issues was diagnosed with cataracts. He managed to convince himself he was going blind and attempted to kill himself with a overdose of pills. The success rate for pills is about 2%, the percent with a gun is 89%. He survived the attempt, had the surgery, and lived another 20 or so good years. I'm sure he never regretted surviving. Was he in his right mind when he attempted suicide? If he had used a gun he likely would have missed out on 20 years of life.

And it would have been his choice.

Your posts shows a failure to understand the true nature of depression.

I understand it just fine
I lived with a wacko depressive mother

Your life your choice. No one has a right to tell you that you must live. It is the most fundamental of fundamental rights

 

[Skull Pilot]

You can dig in your heels, like the NRA does or you can reach out to folks like me with concerns and compromise.

You have not offered a compromise.

Support for background checks and other recent measures being debated in the Senate hovered around 90% but none can pass.

Remember, it is the SCOTUS that interpreted the 2nd as a personal right. With new court members it could be reinterpreted to mean a right to form a militia.

It can also strike gay marriage, Obamacare and Roe v Wade. your point?

The tree that does not bend will break.

We already have background checks
It is already illegal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon

So what extra background checks do you want?

 

[Skull Pilot]

YOU don't have practical solutions, so why demand one of me?

Do you support the Dickey Amendment?

I don't see anything wrong with not spending federal money to advocate guns or gun control.

You can still do research you just can't use the results to advocate for guns or gun control

 

[GaryDog]

You cannot compare an accident to suicide.

And It's not up to me or you for that matter to presume that people who commit suicide are mentally ill.

It is an assumption that a person must be wrong in the head to want to die. I won't make that assumption

Every person has the absolute right to decide whether they live or die. I have no right to tell them otherwise and neither do you

Allow me share a personal anecdote (please don't tell anyone).

My father, a man with no mental issues was diagnosed with cataracts. He managed to convince himself he was going blind and attempted to kill himself with a overdose of pills. The success rate for pills is about 2%, the percent with a gun is 89%. He survived the attempt, had the surgery, and lived another 20 or so good years. I'm sure he never regretted surviving. Was he in his right mind when he attempted suicide? If he had used a gun he likely would have missed out on 20 years of life.

And it would have been his choice.

Your posts shows a failure to understand the true nature of depression.

I understand it just fine
I lived with a wacko depressive mother

Your life your choice. No one has a right to tell you that you must live. It is the most fundamental of fundamental rights

Like I said, you fail to understand the nature of Depression. Just because you've watched someone die of cancer doesn't make you an oncologist. It's like you're blaming her for her own disease.

But thank you for helping us understand YOU.

 

[GaryDog]

YOU don't have practical solutions, so why demand one of me?

Do you support the Dickey Amendment?

I don't see anything wrong with not spending federal money to advocate guns or gun control.

You can still do research you just can't use the results to advocate for guns or gun control

The CDC does studies, and produces findings. That's not "advocacy", that's science. The kind of science that made things like this message board and your computer/phone possible.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You cannot compare an accident to suicide.

And It's not up to me or you for that matter to presume that people who commit suicide are mentally ill.

It is an assumption that a person must be wrong in the head to want to die. I won't make that assumption

Every person has the absolute right to decide whether they live or die. I have no right to tell them otherwise and neither do you

Allow me share a personal anecdote (please don't tell anyone).

My father, a man with no mental issues was diagnosed with cataracts. He managed to convince himself he was going blind and attempted to kill himself with a overdose of pills. The success rate for pills is about 2%, the percent with a gun is 89%. He survived the attempt, had the surgery, and lived another 20 or so good years. I'm sure he never regretted surviving. Was he in his right mind when he attempted suicide? If he had used a gun he likely would have missed out on 20 years of life.

And it would have been his choice.

Your posts shows a failure to understand the true nature of depression.

I understand it just fine
I lived with a wacko depressive mother

Your life your choice. No one has a right to tell you that you must live. It is the most fundamental of fundamental rights

Like I said, you fail to understand the nature of Depression. Just because you've watched someone die of cancer doesn't make you an oncologist. It's like you're blaming her for her own disease.

But thank you for helping us understand YOU.

I didn't blame her at all.

So don't tell me what I did or didn't do when you don't know shit about the situation

 

[GaryDog]

You can dig in your heels, like the NRA does or you can reach out to folks like me with concerns and compromise.

You have not offered a compromise.

Support for background checks and other recent measures being debated in the Senate hovered around 90% but none can pass.

Remember, it is the SCOTUS that interpreted the 2nd as a personal right. With new court members it could be reinterpreted to mean a right to form a militia.

It can also strike gay marriage, Obamacare and Roe v Wade. your point?

The tree that does not bend will break.

We already have background checks
It is already illegal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon

So what extra background checks do you want?

There are no requirements for background checks for private sales.

 

[Skull Pilot]

YOU don't have practical solutions, so why demand one of me?

Do you support the Dickey Amendment?

I don't see anything wrong with not spending federal money to advocate guns or gun control.

You can still do research you just can't use the results to advocate for guns or gun control

The CDC does studies, and produces findings. That's not "advocacy", that's science. The kind of science that made things like this message board and your computer/phone possible.

And it can still do that. The money just can't be used to advocate for gun control

 

[GaryDog]

Allow me share a personal anecdote (please don't tell anyone).

My father, a man with no mental issues was diagnosed with cataracts. He managed to convince himself he was going blind and attempted to kill himself with a overdose of pills. The success rate for pills is about 2%, the percent with a gun is 89%. He survived the attempt, had the surgery, and lived another 20 or so good years. I'm sure he never regretted surviving. Was he in his right mind when he attempted suicide? If he had used a gun he likely would have missed out on 20 years of life.

And it would have been his choice.

Your posts shows a failure to understand the true nature of depression.

I understand it just fine
I lived with a wacko depressive mother

Your life your choice. No one has a right to tell you that you must live. It is the most fundamental of fundamental rights

Like I said, you fail to understand the nature of Depression. Just because you've watched someone die of cancer doesn't make you an oncologist. It's like you're blaming her for her own disease.

But thank you for helping us understand YOU.

I didn't blame her at all.

So don't tell me what I did or didn't do when you don't know shit about the situation

You used the word "whacko". Was that meant to be a term of endearment? Or are you just new to the language?

 

[Skull Pilot]

You can dig in your heels, like the NRA does or you can reach out to folks like me with concerns and compromise.

You have not offered a compromise.

Support for background checks and other recent measures being debated in the Senate hovered around 90% but none can pass.

Remember, it is the SCOTUS that interpreted the 2nd as a personal right. With new court members it could be reinterpreted to mean a right to form a militia.

It can also strike gay marriage, Obamacare and Roe v Wade. your point?

The tree that does not bend will break.

We already have background checks
It is already illegal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon

So what extra background checks do you want?

There are no requirements for background checks for private sales.

Yet it is illegal for anyone even a private individual to sell a gun to a felon.

So if you don't want to break the law you have to make sure you are not selling to a felon

 

[Skull Pilot]

And it would have been his choice.

Your posts shows a failure to understand the true nature of depression.

I understand it just fine
I lived with a wacko depressive mother

Your life your choice. No one has a right to tell you that you must live. It is the most fundamental of fundamental rights

Like I said, you fail to understand the nature of Depression. Just because you've watched someone die of cancer doesn't make you an oncologist. It's like you're blaming her for her own disease.

But thank you for helping us understand YOU.

I didn't blame her at all.

So don't tell me what I did or didn't do when you don't know shit about the situation

You used the word "whacko". Was that meant to be a term of endearment? Or are you just new to the language?

It is an appropriate term for my mother,

You never met her so like I said you don't know shit

 

[GaryDog]

You can dig in your heels, like the NRA does or you can reach out to folks like me with concerns and compromise.

You have not offered a compromise.

Support for background checks and other recent measures being debated in the Senate hovered around 90% but none can pass.

Remember, it is the SCOTUS that interpreted the 2nd as a personal right. With new court members it could be reinterpreted to mean a right to form a militia.

It can also strike gay marriage, Obamacare and Roe v Wade. your point?

The tree that does not bend will break.

We already have background checks
It is already illegal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon

So what extra background checks do you want?

There are no requirements for background checks for private sales.

Yet it is illegal for anyone even a private individual to sell a gun to a felon.

So if you don't want to break the law you have to make sure you are not selling to a felon

LMAO, okay, try and charge someone for selling a gun to someone without a dealer's license when they did not know they were a felon (because no background check was required).

Ask any prosecutor. I'm a lawyer, I know something about this. But blather on, I guess.

 

[GaryDog]

Your posts shows a failure to understand the true nature of depression.

I understand it just fine
I lived with a wacko depressive mother

Your life your choice. No one has a right to tell you that you must live. It is the most fundamental of fundamental rights

Like I said, you fail to understand the nature of Depression. Just because you've watched someone die of cancer doesn't make you an oncologist. It's like you're blaming her for her own disease.

But thank you for helping us understand YOU.

I didn't blame her at all.

So don't tell me what I did or didn't do when you don't know shit about the situation

You used the word "whacko". Was that meant to be a term of endearment? Or are you just new to the language?

It is an appropriate term for my mother,

You never met her so like I said you don't know shit

Okay, so she's whacko for other reasons that you didn't deem relevant to depression? Cool, I guess.

Then you understand Depression is a disease, and suicidal is preventable. Do you similarly support the cessation of cancer treatment in favor of shooting them?