CNN analyst: "I've never seen a witness who's lied to Congress, who's lied to court, who's lied to the IRS, who's lied to the Southern District ...

[para bellum]

The criminal slob directly profited from foreign countries.

But we only care about that sort of thing when it's a lie made up by Republicans. Apoarently.

So start a thread about that.

This one is about Cohen's testimony in Merchan's court.

 

[SavannahMann]

That's total nonsense. Trump was not allowed to run his companies when he was President. The dems had a conniption.

He put everything into a trust and Don Jr. and Weisselberg were the trustees. Trump was the sole beneficiary. Trump's holding company and other entities were put into the trust.

He still had a personal checking account, but he had the company controller keep his books for him, which is not at all unusual for owners of closely-held private companies to do.

The trust does not engage in commerce as an independent entity, it just holds the assets. The companies within the trust are their own separate LLC's and have their own accounting.

Those accounts were not company accounts- they were personal funds- even the money from the trust was his to dispose of however he wanted. At worst, the first two checks might be called a "business record", but the rest were clearly personal checks.

Except. It was dated April 2014. Two years before he was elected. A year before he announced his candidacy.

 

[para bellum]

Except. It was dated April 2014. Two years before he was elected. A year before he announced his candidacy.

The trust existed, but it was only after he won the election that everything was put in and Don Jr. and Weisselberg were made trustees.

That changes nothing as far as the checks are concerned, and the fact that only the first two were even from the trust.

What 3 weeks of testimony has shown is that Pecker and Cohen were keeping an eye out for women coming out of the woodwork, and Trump approved a couple of NDA's when that happened.

And that Cohen was cheating his client when he sought reimbursement for his payments to Daniels and Red Finch.

You guys are trying to spin it into some big conspiracy to influence an election, but it's something that politicians and celebrities do all the time and not at all illegal.

They didn't even use campaign funds, the whole thing is a big fat nothingburger. So pathetic.

 

[struth]

That's Trump's obviously false claim. In response, the prosecution buried Trump in evidence showing a pattern of this behavior, including audio recordings.

Pattern of what behavior?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Sounds like it to me.

If we knew about Stormy Daniels in 2016, we would not have suffered the biblical plague that is MAGA.

If we knew that Hunter Biden's lap top WASN'T Russian disinformation and was actually proof that the Biden family has been engaged in the biggest influence peddling scandal in the country's long history...then we wouldn't be suffering through the worst administration EVER!!!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That's total nonsense. Trump was not allowed to run his companies when he was President

So start a thread about that, then.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

You know the prosecution has nothing left to stand on when their star witness has lied on so many occasions. What will be the prosecution's claims "oh, but now he's telling the truth."

Their other star witness is a fruit cake, who has told so many different variations about the same story, that nothing she says can be trusted.

That is an expensive piece of pie, $130k.

 

[JoeB131]

LMAO.

Well you better tell the prosecutors, because they told the judge it was NY ELN 17-152...

You keep living in your own little world, buddy.

 

[para bellum]

You keep living in your own little world, buddy.

I posted the transcript, did you bother to read it?

 

[JoeB131]

I posted the transcript, did you bother to read it?

I don't bother to read anything you post. I'll take the word of prosecutors over a shithouse lawyer.

That said, this is like getting Al Capone on income tax evasion. You know he's done much worse stuff, you know he's an irredeemable, evil son-of-a-bitch. So I kind of don't care about the legal niceties.

If a Jury convicts him, and I hope they do, that's good enough.

his cultists won't care he's a convicted felon, but regular folks might.

 

[para bellum]

I don't bother to read anything you post. I'll take the word of prosecutors over a shithouse lawyer.

It was the prosecutors that told the judge dummy.

Trial Transcript, not my words...

 

[Man With A Plan]

I don't bother to read anything you post. I'll take the word of prosecutors over a shithouse lawyer.

That said, this is like getting Al Capone on income tax evasion. You know he's done much worse stuff, you know he's an irredeemable, evil son-of-a-bitch. So I kind of don't care about the legal niceties.

If a Jury convicts him, and I hope they do, that's good enough.

his cultists won't care he's a convicted felon, but regular folks might.

You don't care about the "legal niceties"? Thanks for admitting that you KNOW Trump isn't actually guilty of what Bragg charged him with but you don't care about the rule of law...you just want a conviction, Joey!

 

[Smokin' OP]

No, just not a compromised judge with conflicts and self professed Democrats.

Teabaggers keep claiming that, but STILL can't PROVE it.

Then why didn't they prosecute him then?

Because Trump stopped the investigation by firing the prosecutor.

AG Barr says Trump has fired SDNY federal prosecutor ...​

Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com › politics › william-barr-trum...
Jun 20, 2020 — Attorney General William Barr informed the District Attorney for the Southern District of New York (SDNY) Saturday that President Trump has ...

The firing of SDNY US Attorney Geoffrey Berman, explained​

Vox
https://www.vox.com › geoffrey-berman-sdny-fired-barr
Jun 22, 2020 — They investigated the hush money payments arranged by Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen to women who had alleged affairs with Trump.

They waited until they thought th ey could pin a campaign violation on him?

THAT was your dear leader.

Trump judge sets March date for historic criminal trial in ...​

France 24
https://www.france24.com › France 24 › Americas
Feb 15, 2024 — A New York judge on Thursday rejected Donald Trump's attempts to dismiss charges he covered up hush money payments to a porn star, setting the ...

You do realize falsifying business records and a misdemeanor.

Unless you falsifying business records to cover up another crime, like Trump, then it's a felony.

The star witnesses is a perjurer.

Who did Cohen perjure for?

Trump has a history well prior to his campaign of trying to protect his image

WTF?
Trump's image as a liar is well documented.

and family, even with Stormy. That is his counter and it is quite solid.

NO, it isn't.

 

[DBA]

Except the misdemeanor was to cover up a felony which makes it a felony.

Except that it wasn’t. I guess you missed Costello’s testimony yesterday. The case is a joke.

 

[DBA]

That said, this is like getting Al Capone on income tax evasion. You know he's done much worse stuff, you know he's an irredeemable, evil son-of-a-bitch. So I kind of don't care about the legal niceties.

You said the quiet part out loud. This pretty much sums up the sentiment of most TDS folks. They don’t really care if Trump broke the law in this case or any case for that matter. He is an “evil son-of-a-bitch”, i.e. opposes my way of thinking, so he must be put in jail. The law be damned.

 

[DBA]

Teabaggers keep claiming that, but STILL can't PROVE it.

Because Trump stopped the investigation by firing the prosecutor.

AG Barr says Trump has fired SDNY federal prosecutor ...​

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The firing of SDNY US Attorney Geoffrey Berman, explained​

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THAT was your dear leader.

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Unless you falsifying business records to cover up another crime, like Trump, then it's a felony.

Who did Cohen perjure for?

WTF?
Trump's image as a liar is well documented.

NO, it isn't.

Boy are you going to be disappointed when this case falls through. Even if this compromised judge and jury did convict, it wouldbe overturned. The thing is, they don’t care. It is really all about election interference at this point. If Joe/Kamala win the election, they won’t be too concerned about this any more. It will slowly fade away as if nothing ever happened. If Trump wins, they likely have a slew more fraudulent cases on the docket.

 

[Smokin' OP]

Boy are you going to be disappointed when this case falls through.

Sure it will.

Trump's first witness, is crushing it.

Defense in Trump trial calls first witnesses during chaotic ...​

CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com › Politics
11 hours ago — Prosecutors in former President Donald Trump's trial rested their case on Monday after a chaotic fourth day of testimony by Michael Cohen, ...

Even if this compromised judge and jury did convict, it wouldbe overturned.

No standing.

The thing is, they don’t care. It is really all about election interference at this point.

You haven't been paying attention.........Like your dear leader.

Trump Can't Stay Awake for His Own Trial​

The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com › trump-manhattan-trial-sleep
May 2, 2024 — If Trump can't manage to stay awake during a trial ... It's harder to accept as the sleeping persists while the trial gets into juicy details.

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If Joe/Kamala win the election, they won’t be too concerned about this any more. It will slowly fade away as if nothing ever happened. If Trump wins, they likely have a slew more fraudulent cases on the docket.

 

[DBA]

Sure it will.

Trump's first witness, is crushing it.

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No standing.

You haven't been paying attention.........Like your dear leader.

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Is it really hard for you to believe that Cohen is lying(again)? Costello testified to the fact that Cohen told him that Trump didn’t know anything about the payoff. Any reasonable jury would find doubt at this point, but this is NYC and these may not be reasonable people, but TDS folks.

 

[SavannahMann]

Is it really hard for you to believe that Cohen is lying(again)? Costello testified to the fact that Cohen told him that Trump didn’t know anything about the payoff. Any reasonable jury would find doubt at this point, but this is NYC and these may not be reasonable people, but TDS folks.

The problem is that Cohen wasn’t the only witness for the prosecution. Several witnesses said they were present when Trump said to do it. Audio recordings have Trump discussing the conspiracy.

You guys are trying to remake 12 Angry Men with the Trump case. It isn’t just one witness. Or even two. It was 20 witnesses for the prosecution. It was audio recordings. Canceled checks. Instructions from Trump to do it.

If you decide Cohen isn’t believable. What about the other 19 witnesses? Are they now irrelevant?

 

[DBA]

The problem is that Cohen wasn’t the only witness for the prosecution. Several witnesses said they were present when Trump said to do it. Audio recordings have Trump discussing the conspiracy.

You guys are trying to remake 12 Angry Men with the Trump case. It isn’t just one witness. Or even two. It was 20 witnesses for the prosecution. It was audio recordings. Canceled checks. Instructions from Trump to do it.

If you decide Cohen isn’t believable. What about the other 19 witnesses? Are they now irrelevant?

Did these 20 witnesses also mention that Trump has made moves in the past to cover-up potential negative stories? If so, why is this one necessarily campaign related?