Hey Mr President what happened to revising the 14th and ending birthright citizenship?

The 14th was never meant to be anything other than the children of slaves it was designed for.

Allegiance is what its all about and if the SC ever hears the case that's what will decide it.
Maybe, but the verbage they used is stupidly open ended.

Yup but its all about which country you owe your allegiance to.

One guy on this board explained it quite well. Can't remember who but he had it down pat.

The keys to understanding Birthright Citizenship:
  • The plain meaning of the 14th Amendment means that one must BOTH be born in United States AND be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Since there are two explicit requirements, they both cannot be met by simply being born on U.S. soil.
  • The history of the drafting of the 14th Amendment makes clear that the language “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant a citizen could not owe allegiance to any other foreign power. This excludes illegal immigrants who are in defiance of U.S. jurisdiction and are citizens of a foreign power.
  • The Supreme Court has never held that the children of illegal immigrants born in the United States are automatically citizens.
  • Because the Supreme Court has not interpreted the Constitution to mandate automatic birthright citizenship, the Congress can pass a law to correct the current misguided and incorrect policy of automatically granting citizenship to children of illegal immigrants.

The key to your lies:
1. The 14th Amendment says 'under the jurisdiction of". It says nothing about allegiances. These people can be held accountable for their actions under the jurisdiction of individual state laws and federal laws.

2. Thank you for proving point 1. If they can be charged then they are under the jurisdiction of the US. The bottom line is the language is simple. If they meant something else then they should have worded it differently.

3. The Supreme Court has done exactly that. In "United States v. Wong Kim Ark" in 1989, the Supreme Court held,
"the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle."

4. The Congress cannot pass a law nor can Trump issue a EO to end birthright citizenship.

It’s awfully peculiar that you can’t wrap your head around the purpose of the U.S. Constitution. It’s odd that you hate that it was written with the intent to be of clear benefit to AMERICANS, to We The People ONLY; It was never intended to benefit We The People Of Wetbackville. The current interpretation of the 14th does nothing but fuck Americans over while benefiting wetbacks..that makes no sense to sane, real Americans.
While some have discussed birthright citizenship as if it is settled law that any person born in the U.S. is a citizen, the Supreme Court has never ruled as such. In the famous 2004 Supreme Court case, Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, Taliban fighter Yaser Esam Hamdi was discovered to have been born in the United States to parents that were subjects of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Even though he was born in the United States, the Court never called him a citizen and the Court made no declaration in that case that anyone born on American soil was automatically a citizen.

In the Slaughter-House Cases of 1873, the Supreme Court said, “[t]he phrase, ‘subject to its jurisdiction’ was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.”

Next, in 1884, the Supreme Court addressed a claim of citizenship in Elk v. Wilkins. The Court held that John Elk did not meet the jurisdiction requirement of the 14th Amendment because he was a member of an Indian tribe at birth. The Court said that even though Elk was born in the U.S. he did not meet the “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” requirement because that required that he “not merely be subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction.”

Proponents of birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants point to the 1898 Wong Kim Ark case. However, that case dealt with a man that was born to parents that were legally and permanently domiciled in the United States at the time of his birth. In that case, there was more expansive language used on birthright citizenship, but it was neither the holding of the case nor does it operate as binding precedent on the Court or as the law of the land.

Try again bud..and by the way, what part of that filthy shithole Mehico are you from and how long have you and your family of 40 been fucking real Americans over?
 
The Constitution was written to be of benefit to Americans! Anyone born on US soil IS an American.
 
so whats your definition of a "good quality human being"?......

I'll play...
A "good quality human being" is an asset to society...they are self funded positive contributors, they only have children that they themselves can fund...they exhaust all effort in raising their children, they are law abiding, moral and decent.
They're basically everything that today's Mexicrats are not.
there are many people who are law abiding, moral and decent.....but then they may not be the skin tone you are looking for...

Like intelligent people do; I prefer to build my stereotype around the percentile worth talking about...Bleeding heart fools like to build theirs around the percentile that nobody gives to fucks about.
intelligent people usually are not racist....but then you wouldnt know about that would you?...now answer my question....why should you turn in those people anonymously?....what are you scared off?...

Harry you’re trying too hard to be clever...I said that iCE knows me by name...Wouldn’t that mean that I’m not requesting anonymity?
ok so why would you tell that other poster to turn them in anonymously then?.....you should have told him to be a man like you are....but then you are dealing with simple gardeners and the other guy maybe not......
 
I definitely believed HIM.
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:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

you are such a rube!

when are you going to learn not to believe a politician?

Trump is not a politician...you haven’t learned that yet?
Yeah, sure, he’s a complete moron with the emotional maturity of an 8th grader. It’s hard to imagine someone like that being a politician, but you really can’t underestimate the stupidity of republican voters.
come to California billy you can see all the stupid democrat voters out here and all the dipshits they vote for over and over and some of the stupidity they dwell on while many in the state are struggling to get by....
 
The Constitution was written to be of benefit to Americans! Anyone born on US soil IS an American.

Haha...you love your pet humans don’t you?
Haha...d.


I love AMERICA. You are no American.

Yes you do, in fact, you love it so much you firmly believe that good productive real Americans should be forced to foster and pay for the worlds children.




A child born in the US is an AMERICAN child.
 
The Constitution was written to be of benefit to Americans! Anyone born on US soil IS an American.

Haha...you love your pet humans don’t you?
Haha...d.


I love AMERICA. You are no American.

Yes you do, in fact, you love it so much you firmly believe that good productive real Americans should be forced to foster and pay for the worlds children.




A child born in the US is an AMERICAN child.

That’s definitely the misconception...just keep waving them in and throwing the anchors in the laps of good people...you’re totally looking out for your fellow countrymen...all awesome Americans take pride in being suckered.
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The Constitution was written to be of benefit to Americans! Anyone born on US soil IS an American.

Haha...you love your pet humans don’t you?
Haha...d.


I love AMERICA. You are no American.

Yes you do, in fact, you love it so much you firmly believe that good productive real Americans should be forced to foster and pay for the worlds children.




A child born in the US is an AMERICAN child.

That’s definitely the misconception.....e


Definitely the truth. De jure and de facto truth.
 
I love AMERICA. You are no American.

Yes you do, in fact, you love it so much you firmly believe that good productive real Americans should be forced to foster and pay for the worlds children.




A child born in the US is an AMERICAN child.

That’s definitely the misconception.....e


Definitely the truth. De jure and de facto truth.

That’s cool, I’m sure you love all laws that benefit .......?


That benefit Americans. Like the Constitution.
 
I definitely believed HIM.
.

:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

you are such a rube!

when are you going to learn not to believe a politician?

Trump is not a politician...you haven’t learned that yet?

You are such a rube! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

Trump is the consummate politician, and he is playing people like you like a fiddle.

Why do you think he waited till the Dems took over the House to push for his wall?
Trump was pushing for the wall before the 2018 election even started.
 
I love AMERICA. You are no American.

Yes you do, in fact, you love it so much you firmly believe that good productive real Americans should be forced to foster and pay for the worlds children.




A child born in the US is an AMERICAN child.

That’s definitely the misconception.....e


Definitely the truth. De jure and de facto truth.

...
What part of ... Mehico are you from ...?

I’m not from Mexico.
 
I definitely believed HIM.
.

:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

you are such a rube!

when are you going to learn not to believe a politician?

Trump is not a politician...you haven’t learned that yet?

You are such a rube! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

Trump is the consummate politician, and he is playing people like you like a fiddle.

Why do you think he waited till the Dems took over the House to push for his wall?
Trump was pushing for the wall before the 2018 election even started.

He talked about it at his pep rallies but he never declared an emergency or shifted funds from the DOD or any of the things he is doing now
 
I definitely believed HIM.
.

:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

you are such a rube!

when are you going to learn not to believe a politician?

Trump is not a politician...you haven’t learned that yet?

You are such a rube! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

Trump is the consummate politician, and he is playing people like you like a fiddle.

Why do you think he waited till the Dems took over the House to push for his wall?
Trump was pushing for the wall before the 2018 election even started.

He talked about it at his pep rallies but he never declared an emergency or shifted funds from the DOD or any of the things he is doing now

The smartest guy in the room always talking about timelines… The timeline doesn’t matter, you aren’t privy to classified information or other information that may have prompted him to wait… Why aren’t you happy that he’s pushing it now?
 
I definitely believed HIM.
.

:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

you are such a rube!

when are you going to learn not to believe a politician?

Trump is not a politician...you haven’t learned that yet?

You are such a rube! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

Trump is the consummate politician, and he is playing people like you like a fiddle.

Why do you think he waited till the Dems took over the House to push for his wall?
Trump was pushing for the wall before the 2018 election even started.

He talked about it at his pep rallies but he never declared an emergency or shifted funds from the DOD or any of the things he is doing now
Would you rather have a Republican President who tries to ”compromise” on amnesty or a Democrat president who uses amnesty as a political weapon?

Sorry moron, but you were silent for far too long. Trump is far better than anyone you have voted for.
 
:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

you are such a rube!

when are you going to learn not to believe a politician?

Trump is not a politician...you haven’t learned that yet?

You are such a rube! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

Trump is the consummate politician, and he is playing people like you like a fiddle.

Why do you think he waited till the Dems took over the House to push for his wall?
Trump was pushing for the wall before the 2018 election even started.

He talked about it at his pep rallies but he never declared an emergency or shifted funds from the DOD or any of the things he is doing now

The smartest guy in the room always talking about timelines… The timeline doesn’t matter, you aren’t privy to classified information or other information that may have prompted him to wait… Why aren’t you happy that he’s pushing it now?

The timeline matters when the time line is based upon politics and not the needs of the country. You are being played by a politician, and sucking his dick while he does it....:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:
 
I definitely believed HIM.
.

:laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301::laughing0301:

you are such a rube!

when are you going to learn not to believe a politician?

Trump is not a politician...you haven’t learned that yet?
He's even worse than a politician or a mobster, he is the TOOL of a politician or a mobster.


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Cool...Meanwhile, literally every single legitimate, real, productive American I know celebrates his presidency...weird huh?
 
Cool...Meanwhile, literally every single legitimate, real, productive American I know celebrates his presidency...weird huh?

well of course you do. someone like you would never spend time with people that did not think exactly like you do.

No doubt that even a hit of a criticism of Trump would be enough for you to cut someone out of your life for good.

I am sure they are all racist and think that only white people should be allowed to be citizens, just like you do.
 

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