Health Insurance Mandate

[Cecilie1200]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. .

The Welfare/Warfare State Constitution of 1935 clearly states:

Article 69

The federal government has the authority to use the standing armies to force Americans to be charitable.


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The christian right, who rules the GOP, won't lift a finger to help their fellow Americans.

Talk to me when you're being "compassionate" with YOUR wallet, instead of everyone else's, hypocrite. The "unhelpful" Christian Right spends more of its own money - and time - on charity than any other demographic group.

 

[veritas]

My brother recently lost his job, due to health issues. His health insurance (he worked for the county as a probation supervisor) only paid a small portion of his bills and he forked over lots of money out of pocket. They wouldn't even cover a psychiatrist.

He is still not able to look for work yet, as they cannot seem to figure out all that is wrong. He is on COBRA for the time being but when that runs out, if he still doesn't have a job - - - he will be forced, according to Obama, to purchase insurance or pay a fine.

How's that freedom? It isn't, it's uncle tying the apron strings tighter.

Under the current proposals your brother would not be fined but receive health care until he was up and working and financially able to pay premiums. He would not be fined. I consider COBRA a fine for not continuing to be employed by the same employer. I would want your brother to be covered and receive healthcare. Do you not want this for him as well? This is one of the things the reform aims to fix/help.

Health care? Yes. Mandated health insurance? No.

Then how else do you propose to get healthcare for your brother unless everybody is insured? What mechanism would you put in place? He already had healthcare and lost it because it was tied to his employment, then he lost it and went on COBRA. He's already spent a lot. So you're not willing to pay in for him to have a safety net?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

Also, the law only requires you to carry insurance to pay for damages you do to OTHERS. It doesn't require you to carry any coverage for yourself and your own property. You still have the choice of hanging ass-out to the wind if you wish to. Is my health insurance going to cover medical bills for people I cough on?

There is no: "The Law", it varies from state to state. Some states do require that you are covered.

Really? Name me a state that requires comprehensive, rather than liability, coverage, and please provide proof.

 

[alan1]

And a pandemic is a rare thing. Driving a car is a daily occurrence with potentially deadly results every day. The guy at the office that has a cold isn't going to kill or maim me by negligence. Try again.

Minimize: "a cold."

Maximize: "maim or kill."

Cons love to speak in extremes.

Cute.

You mean as opposed to YOU bringing up pandemics in a discussion of the government forcing us all to have general medical insurance? Pot, meet kettle.

3rd person to point out paperviews extreme.

 

[veritas]

Comprehensive doesn't cover any bodily injury. It's still about material items. Most states have funds for uninsured motorists, which funds are collected through premiums you pay. Assuming everybody has liability, bodily injuries are covered up to the point of the figure you contracted for when fault is determined.

 

[veritas]

Minimize: "a cold."

Maximize: "maim or kill."

Cons love to speak in extremes.

Cute.

You mean as opposed to YOU bringing up pandemics in a discussion of the government forcing us all to have general medical insurance? Pot, meet kettle.

3rd person to point out paperviews extreme.

Nobody cares.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Under the current proposals your brother would not be fined but receive health care until he was up and working and financially able to pay premiums. He would not be fined. I consider COBRA a fine for not continuing to be employed by the same employer. I would want your brother to be covered and receive healthcare. Do you not want this for him as well? This is one of the things the reform aims to fix/help.

Health care? Yes. Mandated health insurance? No.

Then how else do you propose to get healthcare for your brother unless everybody is insured? What mechanism would you put in place? He already had healthcare and lost it because it was tied to his employment, then he lost it and went on COBRA. He's already spent a lot. So you're not willing to pay in for him to have a safety net?

If you're referring to government run health care, no.

He can get a job and get health insurance. Or not. He can purchase health insurance on his own if he wants to. Or not. He can pay out of pocket for health insurance. Or not. But he shouldn't be forced to purchase health insurance if he doesn't want to.

Health insurance shouldn't be tied to employment. It should also be able to be purchased across state lines. If they would do this it would automatically lower costs, as there would be many, many more companies to choose from and competing with each other.

 

[veritas]

Health care? Yes. Mandated health insurance? No.

Then how else do you propose to get healthcare for your brother unless everybody is insured? What mechanism would you put in place? He already had healthcare and lost it because it was tied to his employment, then he lost it and went on COBRA. He's already spent a lot. So you're not willing to pay in for him to have a safety net?

No. He can get a job and get health insurance. Or not. Or he can purchase health insurance on his own if he wants to. Or not. Or he can pay out of pocket for health insurance. Or not. But he shouldn't be forced to purchase health insurance if he doesn't want to.

Health insurance shouldn't be tied to employment. It should also be able to be purchased across state lines. If they would do this it would automatically lower costs, as there would be many, many more companies to choose from and competing with each other.

But if we are going to provide the safety net, then he should be in on the net building. Insurance is much the same way, only it's for profit. I think if you try to think this thing through, you will see that it makes sense.

 

[veritas]

You mean as opposed to YOU bringing up pandemics in a discussion of the government forcing us all to have general medical insurance? Pot, meet kettle.

3rd person to point out paperviews extreme.

Nobody cares.

Thanks for the negger, Mountain Pansy..........

 

[Zoom-boing]

Then how else do you propose to get healthcare for your brother unless everybody is insured? What mechanism would you put in place? He already had healthcare and lost it because it was tied to his employment, then he lost it and went on COBRA. He's already spent a lot. So you're not willing to pay in for him to have a safety net?

No. He can get a job and get health insurance. Or not. Or he can purchase health insurance on his own if he wants to. Or not. Or he can pay out of pocket for health insurance. Or not. But he shouldn't be forced to purchase health insurance if he doesn't want to.

Health insurance shouldn't be tied to employment. It should also be able to be purchased across state lines. If they would do this it would automatically lower costs, as there would be many, many more companies to choose from and competing with each other.

But if we are going to provide the safety net, then he should be in on the net building. Insurance is much the same way, only it's for profit. I think if you try to think this thing through, you will see that it makes sense.

If the safety net you're talking about is government run health care, then no. Suppose he doesn't want any part of the safety net? With the mandate he is forced to be part of it. They are taking away his choice.

Obama agreed to this mandate/fine, which came from the GOP. More power for uncle. He didn't go for opening up competition across state lines, which would lower costs and increase competition. Less power for uncle.

 

[alan1]

3rd person to point out paperviews extreme.

Nobody cares.

Thanks for the negger, Mountain Pansy..........

Shouldn't you be calling me a fag?

 

[veritas]

No. He can get a job and get health insurance. Or not. Or he can purchase health insurance on his own if he wants to. Or not. Or he can pay out of pocket for health insurance. Or not. But he shouldn't be forced to purchase health insurance if he doesn't want to.

Health insurance shouldn't be tied to employment. It should also be able to be purchased across state lines. If they would do this it would automatically lower costs, as there would be many, many more companies to choose from and competing with each other.

But if we are going to provide the safety net, then he should be in on the net building. Insurance is much the same way, only it's for profit. I think if you try to think this thing through, you will see that it makes sense.

If the safety net you're talking about is government run health care, then no. Suppose he doesn't want any part of the safety net? With the mandate he is forced to be part of it. They are taking away his choice.

Obama agreed to this mandate/fine, which came from the GOP. More power for uncle. He didn't go for opening up competition across state lines, which would lower costs and increase competition. Less power for uncle.

Then your brother will go bankrupt. How is that a solution? You are dense.

 

[veritas]

Nobody cares.

Thanks for the negger, Mountain Pansy..........

Shouldn't you be calling me a fag?

I've got no problem with fags, just craven bad mouthers with fragile egos that can't stay on topic.

 

[Zoom-boing]

But if we are going to provide the safety net, then he should be in on the net building. Insurance is much the same way, only it's for profit. I think if you try to think this thing through, you will see that it makes sense.

If the safety net you're talking about is government run health care, then no. Suppose he doesn't want any part of the safety net? With the mandate he is forced to be part of it. They are taking away his choice.

Obama agreed to this mandate/fine, which came from the GOP. More power for uncle. He didn't go for opening up competition across state lines, which would lower costs and increase competition. Less power for uncle.

Then your brother will go bankrupt. How is that a solution? You are dense.

As things stand now, he just might. That's why we need real reform. No need for insults.

You believe that government run health care is the fix-it-all solution but you fail to see that government run health care is the opening step towards single payer, total government control, no choice. Why so many are so willing to give away the freedom of choice, I cannot figure.

If they truly wanted health care reform they'd jump on opening it up across state lines. But they rejected that (so far). Instead, they introduce the 'government solution'. It's got far less to do with health care reform and everything to do with government control.

 

[alan1]

But if we are going to provide the safety net, then he should be in on the net building. Insurance is much the same way, only it's for profit. I think if you try to think this thing through, you will see that it makes sense.

If the safety net you're talking about is government run health care, then no. Suppose he doesn't want any part of the safety net? With the mandate he is forced to be part of it. They are taking away his choice.

Obama agreed to this mandate/fine, which came from the GOP. More power for uncle. He didn't go for opening up competition across state lines, which would lower costs and increase competition. Less power for uncle.

Then your brother will go bankrupt. How is that a solution? You are dense.

How is that a choice?
Why do you want to force your opinion on others?
Talk about dense, I bet you are so dense you block radio waves.

 

[veritas]

You believe that government run health care is the fix-it-all solution but you fail to see that government run health care is the opening step towards single payer, total government control, no choice. Why so many are so willing to give away the freedom of choice, I cannot figure.

What choice am I losing? Whether to have or not have healthcare? There's less choice in private insurance. Certain doctors, certain hospitals........

 

[alan1]

You believe that government run health care is the fix-it-all solution but you fail to see that government run health care is the opening step towards single payer, total government control, no choice. Why so many are so willing to give away the freedom of choice, I cannot figure.

What choice am I losing? Whether to have or not have healthcare? There's less choice in private insurance. Certain doctors, certain hospitals........

No government involvement in health care does not mean you have or have not. False argument.

 

[Zoom-boing]

You believe that government run health care is the fix-it-all solution but you fail to see that government run health care is the opening step towards single payer, total government control, no choice. Why so many are so willing to give away the freedom of choice, I cannot figure.

What choice am I losing? Whether to have or not have healthcare? There's less choice in private insurance. Certain doctors, certain hospitals........

Yes. There are some who would choose not to have health care. Several on here have posted that they choose not to have it or that they choose to pay for it on their own. If the mandate goes through, they lose that choice. Once single payer is in place (and make no mistake, if the public option goes through we will have single payer down the not too distant road) and you have no choice, that means you get whatever the government decides to give - or not give. No thanks.

I don't disagree about private insurance, which is part of the reform that needs to take place. I just don't think the government running health care will be done effectively, efficiently, or within budget. Nothing they do ever is.

 

[Polk]

Obama's public option on health insurance will require everybody to obtain insurance so that there will be plenty of money to pay the claims. By his demanding that everybody obtain health insurance it is just one more way in which the government is trying to take control of your life. Hope people are smart enough to see this. Obama is a socialist. He wants to move his socialist programs forward - by force if necessary.

That's too funny. A part of the bill that's basically a handout to insurance companies is being assaulted as increasing government control.

 

[Contumacious]

Obama's public option on health insurance will require everybody to obtain insurance so that there will be plenty of money to pay the claims. By his demanding that everybody obtain health insurance it is just one more way in which the government is trying to take control of your life. Hope people are smart enough to see this. Obama is a socialist. He wants to move his socialist programs forward - by force if necessary.

That's too funny. A part of the bill that's basically a handout to insurance companies is being assaulted as increasing government control.

The Bill is 1200 pages long. Have you read it?


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