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Exactly.I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.
Forget for a moment that I'm against mandated auto insurance, this stupid analogy is soooooo easy to poke holes in that it's truly amazing anyone is stupid enough to use it anymore.
You believe that government run health care is the fix-it-all solution but you fail to see that government run health care is the opening step towards single payer, total government control, no choice. Why so many are so willing to give away the freedom of choice, I cannot figure.
What choice am I losing? Whether to have or not have healthcare? There's less choice in private insurance. Certain doctors, certain hospitals........
Yes. There are some who would choose not to have health care. Several on here have posted that they choose not to have it or that they choose to pay for it on their own. If the mandate goes through, they lose that choice. Once single payer is in place (and make no mistake, if the public option goes through we will have single payer down the not too distant road) and you have no choice, that means you get whatever the government decides to give - or not give. No thanks.
I don't disagree about private insurance, which is part of the reform that needs to take place. I just don't think the government running health care will be done effectively, efficiently, or within budget. Nothing they do ever is.
Exactly.I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.
Forget for a moment that I'm against mandated auto insurance, this stupid analogy is soooooo easy to poke holes in that it's truly amazing anyone is stupid enough to use it anymore.
The analogy falls apart.
Sure the government can force you to buy auto insurance but they can't force you to buy a car.
Forcing people to buy health insurance is tantamount to forcing them to buy a car.
I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.
I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.
Falling off a ladder, having cancer, etc.. IS a risk to everyone else if you're uninsured. Someone has to pay that hospital bill if the patient cannot. If it is paid for through bankruptcy...that means that the rest of us, and government will ultimately pay for it. Someone has to pay for it. It will probably be in the form of higher taxes, higher insurance premiums...and the list goes on and on. Either way, we are going to eat it...regardless of whether a public option gets passed or not.
What choice am I losing? Whether to have or not have healthcare? There's less choice in private insurance. Certain doctors, certain hospitals........
Yes. There are some who would choose not to have health care. Several on here have posted that they choose not to have it or that they choose to pay for it on their own. If the mandate goes through, they lose that choice. Once single payer is in place (and make no mistake, if the public option goes through we will have single payer down the not too distant road) and you have no choice, that means you get whatever the government decides to give - or not give. No thanks.
I don't disagree about private insurance, which is part of the reform that needs to take place. I just don't think the government running health care will be done effectively, efficiently, or within budget. Nothing they do ever is.
The false premise is compounded by a fatally flawed conclusion. Thus we can ignore this part of the argument.
Work on syllogisms, please. What a maroon: you are speaking as stupidly as Elvid, diveon, and CF.
Obama's public option on health insurance will require everybody to obtain insurance so that there will be plenty of money to pay the claims. By his demanding that everybody obtain health insurance it is just one more way in which the government is trying to take control of your life. Hope people are smart enough to see this. Obama is a socialist. He wants to move his socialist programs forward - by force if necessary.
That's too funny. A part of the bill that's basically a handout to insurance companies is being assaulted as increasing government control.
The Bill is 1200 pages long. Have you read it?
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I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.
Falling off a ladder, having cancer, etc.. IS a risk to everyone else if you're uninsured. Someone has to pay that hospital bill if the patient cannot. If it is paid for through bankruptcy...that means that the rest of us, and government will ultimately pay for it. Someone has to pay for it. It will probably be in the form of higher taxes, higher insurance premiums...and the list goes on and on. Either way, we are going to eat it...regardless of whether a public option gets passed or not.
You are making the false assumption that the patient shouldn't be responsible for their own medical care.
That's too funny. A part of the bill that's basically a handout to insurance companies is being assaulted as increasing government control.
The Bill is 1200 pages long. Have you read it?
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"1200 pages".
Falling off a ladder, having cancer, etc.. IS a risk to everyone else if you're uninsured. Someone has to pay that hospital bill if the patient cannot. If it is paid for through bankruptcy...that means that the rest of us, and government will ultimately pay for it. Someone has to pay for it. It will probably be in the form of higher taxes, higher insurance premiums...and the list goes on and on. Either way, we are going to eat it...regardless of whether a public option gets passed or not.
You are making the false assumption that the patient shouldn't be responsible for their own medical care.
There it is folks. The BASE of the entire argument raging in this country.
So it boils down to who wants to be responsible for themselves versus those looking for handouts on the backs of others. In other words?
Responsible citizens versus leeches/sponges.
You are making the false assumption that the patient shouldn't be responsible for their own medical care.
There it is folks. The BASE of the entire argument raging in this country.
So it boils down to who wants to be responsible for themselves versus those looking for handouts on the backs of others. In other words?
Responsible citizens versus leeches/sponges.
The state I live in requires one to carry $35k in property damage liability auto insurance. As a responsible person, I carry $50k in liability insurance. Now, why the hell would I do that? Could it be that I want some guys BMW to get replaced if I happen to accidentally total the guys car?
How much medical insurance will the government mandate that I carry for my own risk?
I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.
Falling off a ladder, having cancer, etc.. IS a risk to everyone else if you're uninsured. Someone has to pay that hospital bill if the patient cannot. If it is paid for through bankruptcy...that means that the rest of us, and government will ultimately pay for it. Someone has to pay for it. It will probably be in the form of higher taxes, higher insurance premiums...and the list goes on and on. Either way, we are going to eat it...regardless of whether a public option gets passed or not.
You are making the false assumption that the patient shouldn't be responsible for their own medical care.
Work on syllogisms, please. What a maroon: you are speaking as stupidly as Elvid, diveon, and CF.
If you're going to call someone a moron, learn to spell it correctly. This is the second time I've had to point this out to you.
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:l)Work on syllogisms, please. What a maroon: you are speaking as stupidly as Elvid, diveon, and CF.
If you're going to call someone a moron, learn to spell it correctly. This is the second time I've had to point this out to you.
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Work on syllogisms, please. What a maroon: you are speaking as stupidly as Elvid, diveon, and CF.
If you're going to call someone a moron, learn to spell it correctly. This is the second time I've had to point this out to you.
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"Maroon" is a common message board term.
Falling off a ladder, having cancer, etc.. IS a risk to everyone else if you're uninsured. Someone has to pay that hospital bill if the patient cannot. If it is paid for through bankruptcy...that means that the rest of us, and government will ultimately pay for it. Someone has to pay for it. It will probably be in the form of higher taxes, higher insurance premiums...and the list goes on and on. Either way, we are going to eat it...regardless of whether a public option gets passed or not.
You are making the false assumption that the patient shouldn't be responsible for their own medical care.
Further than that, underinsured [although this is not necessarily the fault of the insured] account for over 50% of the bankruptcies, which in turn affects everybody on the state and local levels. Foreclosures, less local taxes paid in, lower home values, strain on the welfare system all conspire to drain the community as a whole.
I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.
Falling off a ladder, having cancer, etc.. IS a risk to everyone else if you're uninsured. Someone has to pay that hospital bill if the patient cannot. If it is paid for through bankruptcy...that means that the rest of us, and government will ultimately pay for it. Someone has to pay for it. It will probably be in the form of higher taxes, higher insurance premiums...and the list goes on and on. Either way, we are going to eat it...regardless of whether a public option gets passed or not.
You are making the false assumption that the patient shouldn't be responsible for their own medical care.
Comprehensive doesn't cover any bodily injury. It's still about material items. Most states have funds for uninsured motorists, which funds are collected through premiums you pay. Assuming everybody has liability, bodily injuries are covered up to the point of the figure you contracted for when fault is determined.
Falling off a ladder, having cancer, etc.. IS a risk to everyone else if you're uninsured. Someone has to pay that hospital bill if the patient cannot. If it is paid for through bankruptcy...that means that the rest of us, and government will ultimately pay for it. Someone has to pay for it. It will probably be in the form of higher taxes, higher insurance premiums...and the list goes on and on. Either way, we are going to eat it...regardless of whether a public option gets passed or not.
You are making the false assumption that the patient shouldn't be responsible for their own medical care.
I don't see that I'm making that "assumption", at all. I'm waiting for someone to dispute what I've written. I'm not assuming that I am 100% correct. It just makes sense. As others have said...whether or not we have a public option, we are going to pay for the sick, and the uninsured.
I don't personally need the public option right now, because I have excellent private coverage. But if for whatever reason I lose my job, or cannot physically do it anymore...well...we'll see. Hopefully not.
