Health Insurance Mandate

[Oddball]

We already have a CDC.

Next silly argument to try and prop up that ridiculous analogy?

The CDC does not provide health insurance.

It's not an "analogy." It's reality.

The CDC also doesn't deal with broken arms...So what?

 

[paperview]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

One word to consider that spoils your "no risk to anybody else" theory:

Pandemic.

It does not even have to be as bad as a pandemic.
Consider that when transmittable illnesses are spread, they do not discriminate. People who are ill with such and have no health insurance, are much more likely to continue working and spread the disease, (and surely less likely to see a doctor)
-- allowing them to transmit the illness to many more people they otherwise would - these can be the check-out counter girl, to your mechanic, to the waitress at your next night out, to all kinds of folks you interact with daily. If it is a nasty strain, those with weaker immune systems are quite vulnerable.

You might think a persons health is something that makes you an island of one, but sorry, it isn't.

And a pandemic is a rare thing. Driving a car is a daily occurrence with potentially deadly results every day. The guy at the office that has a cold isn't going to kill or maim me by negligence. Try again.

Minimize: "a cold."

Maximize: "maim or kill."

Cons love to speak in extremes.

Cute.

 

[alan1]

One word to consider that spoils your "no risk to anybody else" theory:

Pandemic.

It does not even have to be as bad as a pandemic.
Consider that when transmittable illnesses are spread, they do not discriminate. People who are ill with such and have no health insurance, are much more likely to continue working and spread the disease, (and surely less likely to see a doctor)
-- allowing them to transmit the illness to many more people they otherwise would - these can be the check-out counter girl, to your mechanic, to the waitress at your next night out, to all kinds of folks you interact with daily. If it is a nasty strain, those with weaker immune systems are quite vulnerable.

You might think a persons health is something that makes you an island of one, but sorry, it isn't.

And a pandemic is a rare thing. Driving a car is a daily occurrence with potentially deadly results every day. The guy at the office that has a cold isn't going to kill or maim me by negligence. Try again.

Minimize: "a cold."

Maximize: "maim or kill."

Cons love to speak in extremes.

Cute.

You said "pandemic'. Pot, kettle, black.
Cute.
See how that works?

 

[xsited1]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

Don't confuse Obama and his sheep with simple logic. They won't understand. Just tell them that mandatory health insurance means at least one less six-pack a week and they vote against it.

 

[paperview]

And a pandemic is a rare thing. Driving a car is a daily occurrence with potentially deadly results every day. The guy at the office that has a cold isn't going to kill or maim me by negligence. Try again.

Minimize: "a cold."

Maximize: "maim or kill."

Cons love to speak in extremes.

Cute.

You said "pandemic'. Pot, kettle, black.
Cute.
See how that works?

Someone has a hard time reading it appears:

The next sentence:

It does not even have to be as bad as a pandemic.

Look. It's still there. It's in the post you quoted.

Wanna try again?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Of course all of you do realize that there is no Constitutional Mandate for any of this. In fact what the Congress, and the POTUS are doing is criminal in my view.

To do this properly would require a Constitutional Convention and AMEND the Document.

This tinkering with individual liberty just by making up LAW, has to stop on both sides. It creates more problems than it solves, and these types of things have been going on for decades. It has to cease. The course is clear.

I have heard very little discussion of this aspect in most discussions. Healthcare is an individual responsibility, and not an enumerated right under any circumstances.

And for those of you in this discussion that use the "General Welfare" Clause to bolster your argument have no understanding of that either.
(And I have read people using that as an argument). And it doesn't fly.

The political control over the people, and importantly the individual also must cease, And after all? Isn't this what this is all about anyway? WHO controls this issue? The PEOPLE, The Politicians, or the Insurance companies?

My $.02 . Thans for the thread, MM.

Unfortunately that battle hasn't been fought for like almost 50 years......we still got Medicare....

.....creeping creepy socialism.....

 

[xsited1]

Minimize: "a cold."

Maximize: "maim or kill."

Cons love to speak in extremes.

Cute.

You said "pandemic'. Pot, kettle, black.
Cute.
See how that works?

Someone has a hard time reading it appears:

The next sentence:

It does not even have to be as bad as a pandemic.

Look. It's still there. It's in the post you quoted.

Wanna try again?

You did it again!

Here's what you said Today, 01:14 PM. MountainMan said his in response to yours Today, 01:20 PM. Try a little tolerance, eh?

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. In Mr Obama's speech the other night, he mentioned that it was no different than making people have automobile insurance. In actuality, it is very different. If I am in an automobile and driving down the road, I am potentially putting everybody else on the road (or sidewalk) at risk. I potentially could run into them with my car and harm them. If I don't have medical insurance, I am not putting anybody else at risk. If I get cancer or break my leg by falling off a ladder, it is of no risk to anybody else. Me getting cancer is entirely different than me driving a car into a random person on a sidewalk. He used a false analogy and the MSM let him get away with it.

One word to consider that spoils your "no risk to anybody else" theory:

Pandemic.

It does not even have to be as bad as a pandemic.
Consider that when transmittable illnesses are spread, they do not discriminate. People who are ill with such and have no health insurance, are much more likely to continue working and spread the disease, (and surely less likely to see a doctor)
-- allowing them to transmit the illness to many more people they otherwise would - these can be the check-out counter girl, to your mechanic, to the waitress at your next night out, to all kinds of folks you interact with daily. If it is a nasty strain, those with weaker immune systems are quite vulnerable.

You might think a persons health is something that makes you an island of one, but sorry, it isn't.

 

[paperview]

What the fuck are you talking about???
I quoted the damn thing to show him it was not all about extremes, when he used extremes.

Your post makes sense --IF you remove all the words in the next sentence before pandemic...and you know, the whole rest of the response.

duh.

I truly don't understand what the heck sort of mental disability you suffer from, I only hope you get better.

 

[xsited1]

What the fuck are you talking about???
I quoted the damn thing to show him it was not all about extremes, when he used extremes.

Your post makes sense --IF you remove all the words in the next sentence before pandemic...and you know, the whole rest of the response.

duh.

I truly don't understand what the heck sort of mental disability you suffer from, I only hope you get better.

Are you responding to me? Oh, that's right. You don't understand how to use this message board yet. Well, I'll assume that you are responding to me.

You said: "Cons love to speak in extremes."

You called him a 'Con' and said he loves to speak in 'extremes'. Then you backtrack by saying he used extremes first.

You are mental.

 

[veritas]

This is what I don't understand. If people are to be fined $3800 for opting out of insurance, then why shouldn't illegals be included.? Everyone is making a big stink about illegals being included in HR 3200, and I don't see why they shouldn't be. Shouldn't they be fined as well? Am I missing something?

And why shouldn't illegals be able to opt in for the public option? Technically a fine should cover administrative costs only, but we've seen that change in the last few years to add punitive charges. I don't see where the fine couldn't be a forced premium and/or automatic enrollment in the public option, which somebody needs to clarify......otherwise it's an automatic conviction.

 

[Political Junky]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. .

The Welfare/Warfare State Constitution of 1935 clearly states:

Article 69

The federal government has the authority to use the standing armies to force Americans to be charitable.


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The christian right, who rules the GOP, won't lift a finger to help their fellow Americans.

 

[Political Junky]

We already have a CDC.

Next silly argument to try and prop up that ridiculous analogy?

Oh my, you found a government entity that you approve of.

 

[RodISHI]

I find it interesting that the government wants to mandate (read force) everybody to have medical insurance. .

The Welfare/Warfare State Constitution of 1935 clearly states:

Article 69

The federal government has the authority to use the standing armies to force Americans to be charitable.


.

The christian right, who rules the GOP, won't lift a finger to help their fellow Americans.

MM is not a Christian. Shovel your shit in another line that one is old.

 

[veritas]

Back OT here, car insurance isn't like health insurance, it was, IMO, a bad analogy. When you are mandated that you get car insurance it is necessary to have gone through the process of getting a license and a car and the ability to get the license is a privilege and you started the process with a definite choice, ie, to drive. One however doesn't make the choice to exist, that has been done for you.

So, in the context of a mandate that is comparable, we need to find an example of something forced where no privilege is sought. Vaccines are one. The gov't mandates a vaccine and in so doing has to provide it. You are free to obtain the vaccine through private means and pay for the administration of same, or go to a government entity and receive it for free.

 

[xsited1]

Back OT here, car insurance isn't like health insurance, it was, IMO, a bad analogy. When you are mandated that you get car insurance it is necessary to have gone through the process of getting a license and a car and the ability to get the license is a privilege and you started the process with a definite choice, ie, to drive. One however doesn't make the choice to exist, that has been done for you.

So, in the context of a mandate that is comparable, we need to find an example of something forced where no privilege is sought. Vaccines are one. The gov't mandates a vaccine and in so doing has to provide it. You are free to obtain the vaccine through private means and pay for the administration of same, or go to a government entity and receive it for free.

You can opt-out of vaccines.

 

[veritas]

You can opt-out of vaccines.

Only under very limited circumstances.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those opt out categories should be limited even more. If students go to public school, stick em.

 

[alan1]

What the fuck are you talking about???
I quoted the damn thing to show him it was not all about extremes, when he used extremes.

Your post makes sense --IF you remove all the words in the next sentence before pandemic...and you know, the whole rest of the response.

duh.

I truly don't understand what the heck sort of mental disability you suffer from, I only hope you get better.

Hey dumbass, you used an extreme first. I only responded in kind. Your kind of mental disability has no cure, it's called ignorance, and you choose to be that way.

 

[paperview]

What the fuck are you talking about???
I quoted the damn thing to show him it was not all about extremes, when he used extremes.

Your post makes sense --IF you remove all the words in the next sentence before pandemic...and you know, the whole rest of the response.

duh.

I truly don't understand what the heck sort of mental disability you suffer from, I only hope you get better.

Hey dumbass, you used an extreme first. I only responded in kind. Your kind of mental disability has no cure, it's called ignorance, and you choose to be that way.

Please post to me where I used the extreme first.

And please make sure you include the entire quote, and not clip off portions of my post. Thanks.

 

[alan1]

The Welfare/Warfare State Constitution of 1935 clearly states:

Article 69

The federal government has the authority to use the standing armies to force Americans to be charitable.


.

The christian right, who rules the GOP, won't lift a finger to help their fellow Americans.

MM is not a Christian. Shovel your shit in another line that one is old.

Thank you RodIshi.