Guns are not the problem in Chicago..the judges and prosecutors are...

[Skull Pilot]

We already have plenty of sensible gun laws what we don't have is sensible punishment for violent piece of shit low life criminals who use guns to commit crimes

again, we lock up more people than any country in the world, including Communist China.

Again we should revisit sentencing for nonviolent crimes and only lock up violent offenders

 

[martybegan]

The "problem" is the beyond a reasonable doubt standard applies to everyone. I guess you would like to remove that protection for accused police officers, right?

If this cop shot a white kid, you'd be screaming bloody murder and something about second amendment rights.

The "screaming bloody murder" part comes in when the Cop doesn't even go to Trial. The cop was tried, and he was Acquitted.

Now if he remains a police officer, expect the NRA and libertarians to throw a fit. The man should never be a police officer again.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Absolutely no gun control freak has ever given even one cogent, reasoned statement as to how a law abiding person who happens to own firearms is responsible for what a criminal does with firearms.

Because there is none

 

[JoeB131]

Again we should revisit sentencing for nonviolent crimes and only lock up violent offenders

Obviously, you are too dumb to realize what the goal of the OnePercenters is with the Prison Industrial Complex.

Absolutely no gun control freak has ever given even one cogent, reasoned statement as to how a law abiding person who happens to own firearms is responsible for what a criminal does with firearms.

Because there is none

Most gun deaths are people who were law-abiding up until the day they shot themselves, their spouse or their neighbor in an argument.

 

[JoeB131]

The "screaming bloody murder" part comes in when the Cop doesn't even go to Trial. The cop was tried, and he was Acquitted.

Now if he remains a police officer, expect the NRA and libertarians to throw a fit. The man should never be a police officer again.

Oh, I don't think they'd do that. Silly Darkie, rights are for white people.

 

[2aguy]

Again we should revisit sentencing for nonviolent crimes and only lock up violent offenders

Obviously, you are too dumb to realize what the goal of the OnePercenters is with the Prison Industrial Complex.

Absolutely no gun control freak has ever given even one cogent, reasoned statement as to how a law abiding person who happens to own firearms is responsible for what a criminal does with firearms.

Because there is none

Most gun deaths are people who were law-abiding up until the day they shot themselves, their spouse or their neighbor in an argument.

And that is a lie.......90% of murderers are individuals with long histories of crime and violence....

The fact that you have to lie in every discussion shows that nothing you say about guns is true, factual or based in reality.

 

[JoeB131]

And that is a lie.......90% of murderers are individuals with long histories of crime and violence....

No, they really aren't.

But even if that were true, why is the NRA so keen on making it easy for them to get guns?

It wasn't always this way. the NRA used to support sensible gun control back in the 1960's. Then the current leadership took over, the crazy leadership that thinks gun ownership should be an unfettered right.

 

[2aguy]

And that is a lie.......90% of murderers are individuals with long histories of crime and violence....

No, they really aren't.

But even if that were true, why is the NRA so keen on making it easy for them to get guns?

It wasn't always this way. the NRA used to support sensible gun control back in the 1960's. Then the current leadership took over, the crazy leadership that thinks gun ownership should be an unfettered right.

Here...again....you have seen this over and over and then you lie....

JURIST - The Criminology of Firearms


In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

 

[JoeB131]

Here...again....you have seen this over and over and then you lie....

Yawn, something can't be said to not work, if it's never been tried.

Europe has figured this out. No guns, very little crime.

 

[2aguy]

Here...again....you have seen this over and over and then you lie....

Yawn, something can't be said to not work, if it's never been tried.

Europe has figured this out. No guns, very little crime.

No guns...lots of violent crime.......

Britain banned guns...they got this...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
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7/1/17...

Terrifying weapons haul destined for London seized at Channel Tunnel

This is a terrifying haul of lethal handguns destined for London crime gangs which were seized by officials at the Channel Tunnel terminal in France.

They were discovered in concealed compartments in a trailer attached to a Mercedes van as it prepared to enter the tunnel at the Coquelles terminal.

Border Force officials swooped after a joint investigation by the National Crime Agency and detectives from Scotland Yard’s organised crime unit.

Searches revealed a cache of 79 “viable” 4mm and 6mm handguns and a large quantity of ammunition, all hidden in specially adapted concealments in engine blocks.

Detectives believe the weapons had been smuggled from eastern Europe to be sold to organised crime gangs in London.

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Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

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“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
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“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
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Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

We increased gun ownership and carrying guns...we got this....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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[martybegan]

The "screaming bloody murder" part comes in when the Cop doesn't even go to Trial. The cop was tried, and he was Acquitted.

Now if he remains a police officer, expect the NRA and libertarians to throw a fit. The man should never be a police officer again.

Oh, I don't think they'd do that. Silly Darkie, rights are for white people.

Based on your idiotic posting, i put your powers of prognostication into serious doubt.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Again we should revisit sentencing for nonviolent crimes and only lock up violent offenders

Obviously, you are too dumb to realize what the goal of the OnePercenters is with the Prison Industrial Complex.

Absolutely no gun control freak has ever given even one cogent, reasoned statement as to how a law abiding person who happens to own firearms is responsible for what a criminal does with firearms.

Because there is none

Most gun deaths are people who were law-abiding up until the day they shot themselves, their spouse or their neighbor in an argument.

Most rapes are committed by people who were at one time law abiding

so what's your point?

Oh yeah EVERYONE is just a criminal in waiting. EVERYONE one day out if the blue will commit a heinous crime

even you so maybe we should just lock you up before you commit a crime

 

[danielpalos]

A lack of well regulated militia ensuring the security of that free State, is the Only problem.