Green Agenda Dangerous = CFL bulbs

[Intense]

If CFLs are not such a health hazard, then why does the EPA have these directions on its website to explain how to clean up a broken one?

It's simply precautionary. You seem to be missing the point. The OP was about CFLs being dangerous, when the truth its only BROKEN CFLs that present any concern. Most CFLs don't break. No one is saying mercury isn't a concern, just that the scare stories are widely over-blown. It's funny how the same people who complain about AGW believers spreading scare stories are falling head-over-heels to get in on this one!!!

When most of mine fail, they burn out, stinking up the whole general area. I stopped using them. The fail is Government regulation shoving them down our throats in the first place. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Fuck the EPA Nazi's. Chicken Little indeed.

wIn


The k00ks dont care about the environment if its not part of their agenda.

I acknowledge that there are legitimate uses for CFL's, that's not the point. The EPA mandating their use by taking Incandescents off of the market is wrong. it is Orwellian. That is my problem.

 

[rdean]

CFLs contain a small amount of mercury in the glass tubing and when it breaks, "some of the mercury is released as vapor and may pose potential health risks," the EPA said in announcing the guidelines. The agency said manufacturers are working to reduce mercury in CFLS, which average four milligrams per bulb compared with the 500 milligrams contained in an older thermometer.

Accompanying its revised tips, the EPA includes a report by an independent science committee that indicates the tiny amount of vaporized mercury from a single broken bulb is within the safe range for adults. The agency urges American to use CFLs, arguing their energy savings outweigh the potential health hazard, and to check the Earth911 website to find a local place for their proper disposal.

EPA revises cleanup tips for broken CFL bulbs - Green House - USATODAY.com

 

[Revere]

The can't even be manufactured in the US cost effectively, thanks to the EPA.

 

[Revere]

This is really funny. There is a 12 step process to dispose of them.

When a CFL Breaks: EPA Guidelines for Cleanup of Compact Fluorescent Light

Ventilate the Room Before You Clean Up the Broken Bulb

•Have people and pets leave the room, and don't let anyone walk through the breakage area on their way out.
•Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.
•Shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system, if you have one.

Clean-Up Steps for Hard Surfaces

•Carefully scoop up glass fragments and powder using stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
•Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
•Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes and place them in the glass jar or plastic bag.
•Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.

Clean-up Steps for Carpeting or Rug

•Carefully pick up glass fragments and place them in a glass jar with metal lid (such as a canning jar) or in a sealed plastic bag.
•Use sticky tape, such as duct tape, to pick up any remaining small glass fragments and powder.
•If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken.
•Remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister), and put the bag or vacuum debris in a sealed plastic bag.

Disposal of Clean-up Materials

•Immediately place all cleanup materials outside the building in a trash container or outdoor protected area for the next normal trash.
•Wash your hands after disposing of the jars or plastic bags containing clean-up materials.
•Check with your local or state government about disposal requirements in your specific area. Some states prohibit such trash disposal and require that broken and unbroken mercury-containing bulbs be taken to a local recycling center.

Future Cleaning of Carpeting or Rug: Ventilate the Room During and After Vacuuming

•The next several times you vacuum, shut off the central forced-air heating/air conditioning system and open a window prior to vacuuming.
•Keep the central heating/air conditioning system shut off and the window open for at least 15 minutes after vacuuming is completed.

 

[Old Rocks]

So, dimbulbs, buy some LEDs. Sheesh, all this mewling and puking and the obvious answer is right there.

 

[Revere]

CFLs are five times the cost of incandescent bulbs, even higher in places where incandescent lights are now banned.

How much higher are LEDs priced, if you can find them?

What's the point of all this, anway?

 

[Intense]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

 

[Douger]

What You Need to Know About Mercury in Fish and Shellfish

 

[Old Rocks]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

 

[Old Rocks]

CFLs are five times the cost of incandescent bulbs, even higher in places where incandescent lights are now banned.

How much higher are LEDs priced, if you can find them?

What's the point of all this, anway?

Well, if the LED costs me 1/10 in power for the same light output, and lasts tens of years instead of a couple of hundred hours, then the point is that I have saved a good deal of money. Of course, more money up front for better results down the road is an anthema to all good Conservatives.

 

[Revere]

Then buy whatever the fuck you want and let my buy my what I want.

 

[Intense]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Pretty silly screw up though. Halogen works. Single step, longer lasting than incandescent.

 

[Revere]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Why? The old lights worked fine?

 

[elvis]

CFLs are five times the cost of incandescent bulbs, even higher in places where incandescent lights are now banned.

How much higher are LEDs priced, if you can find them?

What's the point of all this, anway?

Well, if the LED costs me 1/10 in power for the same light output, and lasts tens of years instead of a couple of hundred hours, then the point is that I have saved a good deal of money. Of course, more money up front for better results down the road is an anthema to all good Conservatives.

try again. we have converted to CFLs at our house to save money in the long run.

fuckhead.

 

[Oddball]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Did I hear someone say "Rube Goldberg"?

 

[uscitizen]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Pretty silly screw up though. Halogen works. Single step, longer lasting than incandescent.

Halogen are incandescent bulbs. They just have ahlogen gas in them to redeposit the tungsten on the filament to give the bulb longer life.

 

[The Infidel]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Lets see..... the LEDs are for saving money.... Oh I know.... lets add some heat to the equation!
Wait..... does'nt that defeat the purpose?

 

[uscitizen]

Communities across the country are converting to LED traffic lights, but these lights don't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb. In some cases, Drivers then can't see the signals.

During a snow storm last year, Lisa Richter of Oswego, Ill., had a green light and was turning left. But police say a driver in the oncoming lane blew through his red light and plowed into her, killing her instantly.

This wasn't a regular accident. Police said this traffic light, blocked by snow, contributed to the crash. The light was an LED signal, which doesn't emit heat, so snow doesn't melt like it would with a regular incandescent bulb.

Cities and states across the country that have converted to LEDs report an energy cost savings of up to 80 to 90 percent.

In Green Bay, Wisc., where all traffic lights are now LEDs, December's incredible snowfall caused many to be packed with flakes.

After their intense storm last month, some drivers in Madison, Wisc., noticed their neighborhood LED signals were hiding.

"I know that the stoplights are there, but if I didn't, it would have been very easy to fly right through them," one driver said. "And especially with the off ramp right on the interstate, it could be a very dangerous situation."

The state of Wisconsin switched to LEDs in 2002 to achieve the massive energy cost savings. Maintenance costs are also much lower because LEDs last a long time. Incandescent bulbs usually have to be replaced every 2 years.

"With LEDs, we have some of our heads that were installed in 2002 still operational today," said Wisconsin state traffic signal systems engineer Joanna Bush.

Another advantage of LEDs: Bush said the old incandescent bulbs could pose safety problems of their own.

"When they fail, they go dark, like a light bulb at your house. There's no warning and it's dark. With the LEDs, it's a string or two that starts to go out and the driving public might not even notice a change in the LEDs and we can get our crews out to change it."


LED Traffic Lights Unusual, Potentially Deadly Winter Problem - ABC News

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Lets see..... the LEDs are for saving money.... Oh I know.... lets add some heat to the equation!
Wait..... does'nt that defeat the purpose?

Umm it could have a thermostat and only heat when below freezing. Money/energy would still be saved on an annual basis.

 

[Revere]

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Lets see..... the LEDs are for saving money.... Oh I know.... lets add some heat to the equation!
Wait..... does'nt that defeat the purpose?

Umm it could have a thermostat and only heat when below freezing. Money/energy would still be saved on an annual basis.

Bullshit. The cost of the energy and the technolgy to run the thermostat it wouldn't justify the small savings in energy.

You people are suckers for Rube Goldbergesque solutions to problems that don't exist.

 

[The Infidel]

A simple engineering problem to put heat wires around the lights that can be turn on by light sensors.

Lets see..... the LEDs are for saving money.... Oh I know.... lets add some heat to the equation!
Wait..... does'nt that defeat the purpose?

Umm it could have a thermostat and only heat when below freezing. Money/energy would still be saved on an annual basis.

Yeah, I know...I was just being silly and sarcastic.
I just dont think the cost savings will ever be seen.

The new lights are VERY expensive & the old ones work just fine.

I say leave the old one in place until they die and NEED to be replaced, and in new construction... by all means use the more efficient ones.
I just think its silly to spend all that cash replacing perfectly good lights.

I am all about saving energy and money, but I think its over-reaching for the gov't to ban a perfectly good product.

ITS WASTEFUL, and waste is toxic to a conservative.