Governor-elect's message for Obama

[Rat in the Hat]

Each helicopter has a range > 230 miles. How many do we need?

OK, let's use your range of 230 miles. Assuming the base is at the halfway point of the patrol area, it would have to fly 57.5 miles to start it's patrol leg, 115 miles along the border, than 57.5 back to base to refuel. In order to have more or less continuous coverage you would need at least 3 in the air at any given time. Plus you would need at least 2 spares, one for covering routine maintenance, and one for unexpected downtime. That makes 5 for each segment of the border.

The border is 1969 miles long. That makes for 17 segments, which would mean a total of 85 birds needed to maintain continuous coverage. And that's if you could somehow find a way to keep them in shape to fly 24/7/365 for an extended period of time.

Take away the backups, and you still need 51 birds to cover the entire border. 6 short. The 5 for Mexico in the hands of our border patrol would only leave us 1 short, provided you found a way to keep ours in flight-worthy status at all times.

Good math calcs. However, I think you are forgetting the thousands of IR cameras and sensors that are also already deployed. I do not know the expanse of these, but I believe when used in conjunction with the fleet of helicopters, it should be enough. And if it isn't, pay the Mexicans to build the damn fence that we couldn't!

The cameras and sensors are fine, if there's a helicopter close by to monitor the invaders until the ground forces arrive. If it's 50+ miles away, they'll be gone before the bird gets there.

And I agree with you that we should pay the Mexicans to build the fence for us. Their lower labor rates will get it done cheaper, longer and better than doing it ourselves. We just shouldn't be using our hard earned tax dollars to upgrade their military and police forces, at the expense of ours.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Jobs and the border...what is so earth shattering about that?

What is the Governor elect of New Mexico doing to create jobs?

I don't think she can do anything until she actually takes office.

 

[AmericanFirst]

on the plus side, the overwhelming majority of drug cartel violence, 99%+, is still confined to south of the border. the answer probably lies in reducing their potential to expand into the border states by decriminalizing drugs, and cracking down on gangs with stiffer sentences and more social opportunities. no wall of national guardsmen will ever be able to stop an idea - this is important to remember. the ideological battle is more important.

Legalizing drugs is not the answer. You cannot make a wrong a right.

 

[daveman]

700 million dollars would buy 23 million land mines at 30 bucks a pop.

The border is 10.3 million feet long.

We could have a land mine every 6 inches along the border.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

700 million dollars would buy 23 million land mines at 30 bucks a pop.

The border is 10.3 million feet long.

We could have a land mine every 6 inches along the border.

$30 each? That's not realistic. You couldn't buy the cases for $30.

Now $3000 each I could believe.

 

[MaggieMae]

The plan commits $700 million to bolster Mexican law enforcement and crime prevention efforts. The funds will provide, among other things, five new helicopters to increase mobility for the Mexican army and air force as well as new surveillance aircraft for the Mexican navy.

wow its a good thing we're so rich

Now you're complaining? Shit...damned if he does; damned if he doesn't.

Oops. You left this part out:

The new federal plan, developed by the departments of Justice and Homeland Security, calls for doubling the number of border security task force teams and moving a significant number of other federal agents, equipment and resources to the border. It also involves greater intelligence sharing aimed at cracking down on the flow of money and weapons into Mexico that helps fuel the drug trade, senior administration officials said.

 

[daveman]

700 million dollars would buy 23 million land mines at 30 bucks a pop.

The border is 10.3 million feet long.

We could have a land mine every 6 inches along the border.

$30 each? That's not realistic. You couldn't buy the cases for $30.

Now $3000 each I could believe.

30 bucks are the high-end models.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

700 million dollars would buy 23 million land mines at 30 bucks a pop.

The border is 10.3 million feet long.

We could have a land mine every 6 inches along the border.

$30 each? That's not realistic. You couldn't buy the cases for $30.

Now $3000 each I could believe.

30 bucks are the high-end models.

I don't know where this article comes from, but it's not the USA. It states the cost of a prosthetic leg costs an average of $3000. I have a friend that just had his lower leg amputated, and they're telling him that if his insurance doesn't pick it up the cost is $8500.

Maybe Chinese mines are 30 bucks, but I don't think you can get them for the same price here.

 

[MaggieMae]

Besides, whatever happened to Bush's $2.1M border fence?

Friday, October 27, 2006



Map of the U.S. to Mexico border.File:Noga36.jpg
A fence barrier separating Nogales, Arizona, from Nogales, Sonora, near the main downtown border crossing.

Border fence on the beach of Tijuana.Today U.S. President George W. Bush signed into law the Secure Fence Act of 2006, a plan to build a 700 mile (1,125 kilometer) fence between the United States and Mexico, to prevent illegal immigration. Mexico has expressed strong opposition to the fence, which covers about one third of the total border length.

"Unfortunately, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders for decades and therefore illegal immigration has been on the rise," Bush was quoted saying. "Ours is a nation of immigrants. We're also a nation of law... We have a responsibility to address these challenges. We have a responsibility to enforce our laws. We have a responsibility to secure our borders. We take this responsibility seriously," the President explained.

Congress passed the bill last month with a convincing majority, but the signing has been delayed until now, 12 days before the mid-term elections in the U.S. Yesterday the president already envisioned funding and manpower increases for border control, and extra beds to counter the "catch-and-release at our southern border".

Earlier this month, Bush arranged a $1.2 billion budget for the fence, along with cameras, sensors, satellites and other security measures, to create a "21st-century" border —but the fence alone is roughly estimated to cost twice that amount. A U.S. poll this week showed that there are more Americans in favor of an increased number of Border Patrol agents, while less then half of those questioned agreed with the fence.

"Sorprende compadres!! el cercado!!"
"No problemo. El tunél está bajo tierra."

Sophisticated tunnel found under border; Marijuana seized; Half-mile passage linked buildings in Mexico, U.S. - Free Online Library

 

[MaggieMae]

And our efforts have failed miserably. What's your point?

Use the 700 mil in America Dont give it to the drug lords.

We can't even build a friggin' fence with $2.1M. How far do you think we would get with $700M?

The $2.1 million fence looks like a ladder. Whoever designed the damn thing should be shot.

 

[MaggieMae]

Some body is gonna have to push this admin on all issues, it appears they're not gonna do it their self

Yes, I guess the fact that there's only 24 hours a day should be ignored now that Obama is president and everyone wants INSTANT results on all issues dear to their hearts.

But wait.

Obama to beef up Mexico border policy - CNN

But, he's the smartest most talentedest President in like the whole history of the universe!!!!!!

He's certainly not the most stupid, I mean, like you'd like to think. Like ya know?

[Just keeping you assholes honest, but I know it pisses you off. Chuckling...]

 

[daveman]

$30 each? That's not realistic. You couldn't buy the cases for $30.

Now $3000 each I could believe.

30 bucks are the high-end models.

I don't know where this article comes from, but it's not the USA. It states the cost of a prosthetic leg costs an average of $3000. I have a friend that just had his lower leg amputated, and they're telling him that if his insurance doesn't pick it up the cost is $8500.

Maybe Chinese mines are 30 bucks, but I don't think you can get them for the same price here.

It comes from PBS.

 

[MaggieMae]

Besides, whatever happened to Bush's $2.1M border fence?

Friday, October 27, 2006



Map of the U.S. to Mexico border.File:Noga36.jpg
A fence barrier separating Nogales, Arizona, from Nogales, Sonora, near the main downtown border crossing.

Border fence on the beach of Tijuana.Today U.S. President George W. Bush signed into law the Secure Fence Act of 2006, a plan to build a 700 mile (1,125 kilometer) fence between the United States and Mexico, to prevent illegal immigration. Mexico has expressed strong opposition to the fence, which covers about one third of the total border length.

"Unfortunately, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders for decades and therefore illegal immigration has been on the rise," Bush was quoted saying. "Ours is a nation of immigrants. We're also a nation of law... We have a responsibility to address these challenges. We have a responsibility to enforce our laws. We have a responsibility to secure our borders. We take this responsibility seriously," the President explained.

Congress passed the bill last month with a convincing majority, but the signing has been delayed until now, 12 days before the mid-term elections in the U.S. Yesterday the president already envisioned funding and manpower increases for border control, and extra beds to counter the "catch-and-release at our southern border".

Earlier this month, Bush arranged a $1.2 billion budget for the fence, along with cameras, sensors, satellites and other security measures, to create a "21st-century" border —but the fence alone is roughly estimated to cost twice that amount. A U.S. poll this week showed that there are more Americans in favor of an increased number of Border Patrol agents, while less then half of those questioned agreed with the fence.

obie wan know nothing stopped it.

He stopped funding the VIRTUAL fence, goofy. Another Bush brainfart.

Work to cease on 'virtual fence' along U.S.-Mexico border - washingtonpost.com

 

[MaggieMae]

on the plus side, the overwhelming majority of drug cartel violence, 99%+, is still confined to south of the border. the answer probably lies in reducing their potential to expand into the border states by decriminalizing drugs, and cracking down on gangs with stiffer sentences and more social opportunities. no wall of national guardsmen will ever be able to stop an idea - this is important to remember. the ideological battle is more important.

Here's an idea: Concentrate on the illegal drug use by Americans and it will cut down on demand for those drugs coming from Mexico. What a concept.

 

[MaggieMae]

30 bucks are the high-end models.

I don't know where this article comes from, but it's not the USA. It states the cost of a prosthetic leg costs an average of $3000. I have a friend that just had his lower leg amputated, and they're telling him that if his insurance doesn't pick it up the cost is $8500.

Maybe Chinese mines are 30 bucks, but I don't think you can get them for the same price here.

It comes from PBS.

That commie station?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

30 bucks are the high-end models.

I don't know where this article comes from, but it's not the USA. It states the cost of a prosthetic leg costs an average of $3000. I have a friend that just had his lower leg amputated, and they're telling him that if his insurance doesn't pick it up the cost is $8500.

Maybe Chinese mines are 30 bucks, but I don't think you can get them for the same price here.

It comes from PBS.

That explains a lot.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Use the 700 mil in America Dont give it to the drug lords.

We can't even build a friggin' fence with $2.1M. How far do you think we would get with $700M?

The $2.1 million fence looks like a ladder. Whoever designed the damn thing should be shot.

It could be improved with razor wire on the top.

 

[MaggieMae]

We can't even build a friggin' fence with $2.1M. How far do you think we would get with $700M?

The $2.1 million fence looks like a ladder. Whoever designed the damn thing should be shot.

It could be improved with razor wire on the top.

That would seem like a no-brainer, yes.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

The $2.1 million fence looks like a ladder. Whoever designed the damn thing should be shot.

It could be improved with razor wire on the top.

That would seem like a no-brainer, yes.

And that's why it is typical of everything our government has done in the last 2 decades.

No brains.

 

[daveman]

I don't know where this article comes from, but it's not the USA. It states the cost of a prosthetic leg costs an average of $3000. I have a friend that just had his lower leg amputated, and they're telling him that if his insurance doesn't pick it up the cost is $8500.

Maybe Chinese mines are 30 bucks, but I don't think you can get them for the same price here.

It comes from PBS.

That commie station?

Have I ever called them a commie station?