Governor-elect's message for Obama

[Soggy in NOLA]

Some body is gonna have to push this admin on all issues, it appears they're not gonna do it their self

Yes, I guess the fact that there's only 24 hours a day should be ignored now that Obama is president and everyone wants INSTANT results on all issues dear to their hearts.

But wait.

Obama to beef up Mexico border policy - CNN

But, he's the smartest most talentedest President in like the whole history of the universe!!!!!!

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Some body is gonna have to push this admin on all issues, it appears they're not gonna do it their self

Yes, I guess the fact that there's only 24 hours a day should be ignored now that Obama is president and everyone wants INSTANT results on all issues dear to their hearts.

But wait.

Obama to beef up Mexico border policy - CNN

But, he's the smartest most talentedest President in like the whole history of the universe!!!!!!

He's a man. Nothing more and nothing less. A man who sought for and won a job he wanted. When he got it, he discovered he was ill-prepared for it, and is now trying to coast his way until he can leave it. And get as many perks as possible along the way.

He should have remembered the old saying;

Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

 

[VaYank5150]

Who said anything about giving more money to Iraq? I want that shit stopped too. I want American tax money spent in America, not Iraq, not Mexico, not Israel or any other shithole country. Let's keep our money here, and let the rest of the world fend for themselves.

Do you have any idea how much cheaper we woulc get Mexico to build our fence? I think it is a great idea to let them build it. Not only might it actually get built, but their labor force costs about 1/5th of what ours does!

OK, so if our estimate for the fence was 2.1 million, let's give them 5 million to build it. We would get much more bang for our buck, and a longer fence to boot. Then use the 695 million remaining to upgrade our border patrol, and use in our economy.

UNFORTUNATELY, due to the work of our own US Governors in some of the states where the fence was to be built, even $5M could not get a fence built. So.....helicopters, IR cameras, etc will be the future of our border. These high tech devices cost that much more...

 

[California Girl]

So we should give away our tax dollars to foreign countries to "see if they can breed success where we have failed"? And you think they will give two shits about stopping their poor from leaving to drain our resources?

Yeah, let's invest our money in another counties economy. That will help our economic situation, you betcha.

Beats the hell out of paying money hand over fist to bomb the shit out of Iraq, only to turn arouund and pay more money to help them build back what we destroyed...

Who said anything about giving more money to Iraq? I want that shit stopped too. I want American tax money spent in America, not Iraq, not Mexico, not Israel or any other shithole country. Let's keep our money here, and let the rest of the world fend for themselves.

Last time we tried that, WWI happened. Isolationism is ever a good idea.

However, giving money to Mexico is nonsense. Build the fucking fence and keep them on their own side. Fuck Mexico.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Do you have any idea how much cheaper we woulc get Mexico to build our fence? I think it is a great idea to let them build it. Not only might it actually get built, but their labor force costs about 1/5th of what ours does!

OK, so if our estimate for the fence was 2.1 million, let's give them 5 million to build it. We would get much more bang for our buck, and a longer fence to boot. Then use the 695 million remaining to upgrade our border patrol, and use in our economy.

UNFORTUNATELY, due to the work of our own US Governors in some of the states where the fence was to be built, even $5M could not get a fence built. So.....helicopters, IR cameras, etc will be the future of our border. These high tech devices cost that much more...

Absolutely! And we should use our monies to get them for ourselves.

If we can hire the Mexican people to build the fence cost effectively for America, so much the better. But we should not give them our money to acquire high tech equipment while denying our people those very same devices.

Our people, and our security forces must and should come first. Again, if the other countries of the world want this, let them buy it from us, or go hang.

 

[VaYank5150]

OK, so if our estimate for the fence was 2.1 million, let's give them 5 million to build it. We would get much more bang for our buck, and a longer fence to boot. Then use the 695 million remaining to upgrade our border patrol, and use in our economy.

UNFORTUNATELY, due to the work of our own US Governors in some of the states where the fence was to be built, even $5M could not get a fence built. So.....helicopters, IR cameras, etc will be the future of our border. These high tech devices cost that much more...

Absolutely! And we should use our monies to get them for ourselves.

If we can hire the Mexican people to build the fence cost effectively for America, so much the better. But we should not give them our money to acquire high tech equipment while denying our people those very same devices.

Our people, and our security forces must and should come first. Again, if the other countries of the world want this, let them buy it from us, or go hang.

Our Border Patrol already has 45 helicopters in it's fleet, at a cost to taxpayers of $1.3M each (2002 estimate). At some point, we have to call the initiative what it is. An abject failure.

 

[WillowTree]

Besides, whatever happened to Bush's $2.1M border fence?

Friday, October 27, 2006



Map of the U.S. to Mexico border.File:Noga36.jpg
A fence barrier separating Nogales, Arizona, from Nogales, Sonora, near the main downtown border crossing.

Border fence on the beach of Tijuana.Today U.S. President George W. Bush signed into law the Secure Fence Act of 2006, a plan to build a 700 mile (1,125 kilometer) fence between the United States and Mexico, to prevent illegal immigration. Mexico has expressed strong opposition to the fence, which covers about one third of the total border length.

"Unfortunately, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders for decades and therefore illegal immigration has been on the rise," Bush was quoted saying. "Ours is a nation of immigrants. We're also a nation of law... We have a responsibility to address these challenges. We have a responsibility to enforce our laws. We have a responsibility to secure our borders. We take this responsibility seriously," the President explained.

Congress passed the bill last month with a convincing majority, but the signing has been delayed until now, 12 days before the mid-term elections in the U.S. Yesterday the president already envisioned funding and manpower increases for border control, and extra beds to counter the "catch-and-release at our southern border".

Earlier this month, Bush arranged a $1.2 billion budget for the fence, along with cameras, sensors, satellites and other security measures, to create a "21st-century" border —but the fence alone is roughly estimated to cost twice that amount. A U.S. poll this week showed that there are more Americans in favor of an increased number of Border Patrol agents, while less then half of those questioned agreed with the fence.

obie wan know nothing stopped it.

 

[WillowTree]

The plan commits $700 million to bolster Mexican law enforcement and crime prevention efforts. The funds will provide, among other things, five new helicopters to increase mobility for the Mexican army and air force as well as new surveillance aircraft for the Mexican navy.

wow its a good thing we're so rich

So.....we want our border secured, but we are not willing to pay for it? Hmmm, maybe the border fairy will help?

That's right. we sue the state of Arizona. and send aid to Mexico. That isn't what REAL Americans do.

 

[rightwinger]

Jobs and the border...what is so earth shattering about that?

What is the Governor elect of New Mexico doing to create jobs?

 

[wyomingpatriot]

border security as it is has clearly failed. the old solution, of pouring more money and more resources into a plan thats alreay failed (see for example vietnam, afghanistan, and iraq), or in this case a taller fence and more helicopters, is probably not going to work. this is a tough one

 

[VaYank5150]

Jobs and the border...what is so earth shattering about that?

What is the Governor elect of New Mexico doing to create jobs?

The same thing the failed governor of Nevada did. Blame Harry Reid!

 

[Rat in the Hat]

UNFORTUNATELY, due to the work of our own US Governors in some of the states where the fence was to be built, even $5M could not get a fence built. So.....helicopters, IR cameras, etc will be the future of our border. These high tech devices cost that much more...

Absolutely! And we should use our monies to get them for ourselves.

If we can hire the Mexican people to build the fence cost effectively for America, so much the better. But we should not give them our money to acquire high tech equipment while denying our people those very same devices.

Our people, and our security forces must and should come first. Again, if the other countries of the world want this, let them buy it from us, or go hang.

Our Border Patrol already has 45 helicopters in it's fleet, at a cost to taxpayers of $1.3M each (2002 estimate). At some point, we have to call the initiative what it is. An abject failure.

Do you really think 45 helicopters are enough to cover the border from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico on a 24 hour basis?

We really need to put that $700 million into beefing up OUR border security, not Mexico's.

 

[wyomingpatriot]

on the plus side, the overwhelming majority of drug cartel violence, 99%+, is still confined to south of the border. the answer probably lies in reducing their potential to expand into the border states by decriminalizing drugs, and cracking down on gangs with stiffer sentences and more social opportunities. no wall of national guardsmen will ever be able to stop an idea - this is important to remember. the ideological battle is more important.

 

[WillowTree]

Jobs and the border...what is so earth shattering about that?

What is the Governor elect of New Mexico doing to create jobs?

I'm sure she is selecting a staff. What is the out going govenor doing?

 

[VaYank5150]

Absolutely! And we should use our monies to get them for ourselves.

If we can hire the Mexican people to build the fence cost effectively for America, so much the better. But we should not give them our money to acquire high tech equipment while denying our people those very same devices.

Our people, and our security forces must and should come first. Again, if the other countries of the world want this, let them buy it from us, or go hang.

Our Border Patrol already has 45 helicopters in it's fleet, at a cost to taxpayers of $1.3M each (2002 estimate). At some point, we have to call the initiative what it is. An abject failure.

Do you really think 45 helicopters are enough to cover the border from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico on a 24 hour basis?

We really need to put that $700 million into beefing up OUR border security, not Mexico's.

Each helicopter has a range > 230 miles. How many do we need?

 

[blastoff]

Some body is gonna have to push this admin on all issues, it appears they're not gonna do it their self

Yes, I guess the fact that there's only 24 hours a day should be ignored now that Obama is president and everyone wants INSTANT results on all issues dear to their hearts.

But wait.

Obama to beef up Mexico border policy - CNN

But, he's the smartest most talentedest President in like the whole history of the universe!!!!!!

Well...um...yes, that was true at one time. But now we know that Mr. Smart and Talented got his ass and his party's collective asses kicked a week ago because he wasn't able to communicate his b.s. spending schemes to the lowly electorate. Oh, and then too he found out, finally, that there really wasn't any shovel-ready jobs that were going to take a bunch of the phony stimulus money and turn it into Recovery Summer. Wow, come to think of it it's been a rough few months on the formerly smart and talented community agitator, huh?

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Our Border Patrol already has 45 helicopters in it's fleet, at a cost to taxpayers of $1.3M each (2002 estimate). At some point, we have to call the initiative what it is. An abject failure.

Do you really think 45 helicopters are enough to cover the border from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico on a 24 hour basis?

We really need to put that $700 million into beefing up OUR border security, not Mexico's.

Each helicopter has a range > 230 miles. How many do we need?

OK, let's use your range of 230 miles. Assuming the base is at the halfway point of the patrol area, it would have to fly 57.5 miles to start it's patrol leg, 115 miles along the border, than 57.5 back to base to refuel. In order to have more or less continuous coverage you would need at least 3 in the air at any given time. Plus you would need at least 2 spares, one for covering routine maintenance, and one for unexpected downtime. That makes 5 for each segment of the border.

The border is 1969 miles long. That makes for 17 segments, which would mean a total of 85 birds needed to maintain continuous coverage. And that's if you could somehow find a way to keep them in shape to fly 24/7/365 for an extended period of time.

Take away the backups, and you still need 51 birds to cover the entire border. 6 short. The 5 for Mexico in the hands of our border patrol would only leave us 1 short, provided you found a way to keep ours in flight-worthy status at all times.

 

[VaYank5150]

Do you really think 45 helicopters are enough to cover the border from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico on a 24 hour basis?

We really need to put that $700 million into beefing up OUR border security, not Mexico's.

Each helicopter has a range > 230 miles. How many do we need?

OK, let's use your range of 230 miles. Assuming the base is at the halfway point of the patrol area, it would have to fly 57.5 miles to start it's patrol leg, 115 miles along the border, than 57.5 back to base to refuel. In order to have more or less continuous coverage you would need at least 3 in the air at any given time. Plus you would need at least 2 spares, one for covering routine maintenance, and one for unexpected downtime. That makes 5 for each segment of the border.

The border is 1969 miles long. That makes for 17 segments, which would mean a total of 85 birds needed to maintain continuous coverage. And that's if you could somehow find a way to keep them in shape to fly 24/7/365 for an extended period of time.

Take away the backups, and you still need 51 birds to cover the entire border. 6 short. The 5 for Mexico in the hands of our border patrol would only leave us 1 short, provided you found a way to keep ours in flight-worthy status at all times.

Good math calcs. However, I think you are forgetting the thousands of IR cameras and sensors that are also already deployed. I do not know the expanse of these, but I believe when used in conjunction with the fleet of helicopters, it should be enough. And if it isn't, pay the Mexicans to build the damn fence that we couldn't!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The best part is that Dems can't call her a racist and try to beat her back in her place like they did with Miguel Estrada and tried to do with Marco Rubio.

Wow. Dems are so so so so so so so fucked in 2012. Maybe they'll keep blaming Bush?

 

[rightwinger]

Jobs and the border...what is so earth shattering about that?

What is the Governor elect of New Mexico doing to create jobs?

The same thing the failed governor of Nevada did. Blame Harry Reid!

If she doesn't like it she should go back to Mexico