Government does not want to govern, it wants to control

[LordBrownTrout]

Our govt loves us.....yes they do. They would never do anything to harm the public or lie to anyone.

 

[the watcher]

Leave Israel high and dry, right?

Let them explore less brutal avenues. Do you think Israel would not leave us high and dry if it benefited them?

 

[the watcher]

Our govt loves us.....yes they do. They would never do anything to harm the public or lie to anyone.

red or yellow, black, or white, they are peons in our sight

 

[OldFlame]

Governing requires a certain degree of control over people's lives. You're complaining about certain issues that require the government to have authority and power. We the people have vested our government with certain powers, in order for it to serve our interests as individuals and a community. Government isn't inherently evil or good, it's whatever we want it to be. It's a social apparatus organized by the people to manage their large-scale, socioeconomic projects and affairs.

The government is a management tool that many of the wealthy ruling elites hate because it's the power of the people. The public at large isn't of the elite class, but of the working class. They truly hate the government and are always trying to control it to reduce democracy (the rule of the people). They do everything they can to turn government into an oligarchal plutocracy, ruled by the rich and powerful, rather than the working-class.

The government is a management tool that many of the wealthy ruling elites hate because it's the power of the people.

The government is owned by those wealthy ruling elites, they don't 'hate' it, they are it. The government is made up of human beings, those human beings are corrupted by power and $$$$$$, if you think 'we the people' control the government, you're a naive fool.

 

[Care4all]

Our govt loves us.....yes they do. They would never do anything to harm the public or lie to anyone.

Our govt is made up of us.

 

[the watcher]

Our govt is made up of us.

Well would you tell "us" to secure the border and quit starting wars? Thanks

 

[Votto]

Government is not evil? What about the Nazi regime? What about the Putin regime?

Some governments are what you call "evil" or oppressive, totalitarian and others aren't like that.

Like us, they had and have elections as well.

Maybe the people were "evil", maybe the elections weren't really honest? The people have a lot to do with the nature and quality of their government. That's why the ruling wealthy class, does everything possible to control the media and influence the people. If they can control people's minds through the media they can have a high degree of influence over the government's legislature.

Would you say that the more control these regimes have over society, the more evil they become?

When you say "these regimes", you're referring to a totalitarian, oppressive government, correct? If that's what you're referring to, then of course, there is more "evil" or suffering when they have more control over people's lives.

The US passes about 40 thousand new laws and regulations every year.

Source for that. What are those laws and regulations? Are they needed? That's open for discussion. Some laws and regulations aren't needed and hurt the public and other laws and regulations are needed and serve the public good.

As a society, are we that much in need of control from the state?

What do you mean by "control"? I see private corporations controlling much of society through the media and lobbying (legally bribing) politicians. Unlike the government, these private for-profit enterprises don't hold elections. When was last time your employer held an election? Like never? Privately owned companies run like little totalitarian regimes or absolute monarchies with a monarch at the top. I don't see giving more control to them as a better solution, than allowing the government to manage certain resources for us, serving the public good, without that profit-motive being the "bottom line" or priority.

The bottom line of a democratic government is officially the public good, and if its policies undermine its official obligations to the public, it can be held accountable through a democratic process. This is less the case with privately owned, for-profit corporations. They'll just give you the finger and fire you, then you have to look for another dictatorship to work for.

Now you are moving the goal posts. At first you say government is not evil, but when I point out governments that have been blatantly evil, then you change your position to say that only certain ones are evil?

You presumably think the US government is not evil, that is, so long as it is not systemically racist law enforcement, right? As we all know, only law enforcement is systemically racist, as where those in the Federal government like the FBI and CIA and Joe Biden have evaded the racist bug it seems. So, what line does a government cross to make them evil? For example, was the US evil for how they treated the American Indian, or just partially evil, or maybe not evil at all now that Progressives are in charge and so much superior intellectually and morally than the Founding Fathers? You know, people you admire.

As for your rant about government good, that is, the ones you like, and corporate America bad, can corporations be good and/or evil, just like governments? If so, what makes them good or bad? Are corporations good now that they have all mandated a woke culture and will bend over backwards to allow their employees have access to abortions and a gender change? Are they good now that they have implemented a corporate rating system of ESG that says if they are environmentally progressive, they are a good company that people should to business with? Or are they still bad and evil as you estimate them all to be?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Our govt is made up of us.

Theyre not of us, especially when they become part of washington dc.

 

[Votto]

Government is not evil? What about the Nazi regime? What about the Putin regime?

Some governments are what you call "evil" or oppressive, totalitarian and others aren't like that.

Like us, they had and have elections as well.

Maybe the people were "evil", maybe the elections weren't really honest? The people have a lot to do with the nature and quality of their government. That's why the ruling wealthy class, does everything possible to control the media and influence the people. If they can control people's minds through the media they can have a high degree of influence over the government's legislature.

Would you say that the more control these regimes have over society, the more evil they become?

When you say "these regimes", you're referring to a totalitarian, oppressive government, correct? If that's what you're referring to, then of course, there is more "evil" or suffering when they have more control over people's lives.

The US passes about 40 thousand new laws and regulations every year.

Source for that. What are those laws and regulations? Are they needed? That's open for discussion. Some laws and regulations aren't needed and hurt the public and other laws and regulations are needed and serve the public good.

As a society, are we that much in need of control from the state?

What do you mean by "control"? I see private corporations controlling much of society through the media and lobbying (legally bribing) politicians. Unlike the government, these private for-profit enterprises don't hold elections. When was last time your employer held an election? Like never? Privately owned companies run like little totalitarian regimes or absolute monarchies with a monarch at the top. I don't see giving more control to them as a better solution, than allowing the government to manage certain resources for us, serving the public good, without that profit-motive being the "bottom line" or priority.

The bottom line of a democratic government is officially the public good, and if its policies undermine its official obligations to the public, it can be held accountable through a democratic process. This is less the case with privately owned, for-profit corporations. They'll just give you the finger and fire you, then you have to look for another dictatorship to work for.

As for governments being evil, I think we can both agree that the Nazi regime was evil.

However, did you know that the Nazi regime was the most progressive regime in Europe? The Nazi regime was National Socialists, and as such, made sure that the average German citizen had a living standard that exceeded those of any other citizen of any other country in the world. Hitler spent so much money building his nanny state and military, that he forbad the government from passing a budget, so as not to arouse fear. For you see, Hitler had sent his nation on a one-way road as he burned the bridges behind him. It was either world conquest, or financial ruin. They were also on the cutting edge of protecting the environment, as they prevented damns on the Rhine for hydroelectric power, and they put plants and animals on endangered lists. The Nazi regime was also the most protecitve of animals than any country during that time. If you abused an animal, they would send you to one of their death camps, or worse.

People ask how the German people could have embraced a war mongering genocidal dictator like Hitler, but as we look at the US, are they any different? In the US today, they throw all their money at the nanny state and military as the parade around with war after war after war, or are funding wars. And they have a higher standard of living than most in the world, so as long as they keep getting their money, they seem Ok with the wars and the 60 million unborn who have been slaughtered by Progressives.

But the most chilling aspect of the Left today seems to be the acceptance of antisemitism. You now have colleges around the world letting students chant "gas the Jews" as they hide Jewish students in attics. You have a good number of those in Congress who are democrats who refuse to condemn the slaughter of Jews on 10/7, even though some of them were American citizens. And you have a media and academia who treat these people with kid gloves, which will only cause it to spread. Joe Biden can't even give a speech anymore with these folks showing up to shout him down and act violent, with little to no reaction from law enforcement and the media.

Meanwhile, they call Trump Hitler, a man who has never started a war or said anything remotely anti-Semitic, a man who had Israel sign a peace deal with their Arab neighbors, something the media ignores.

 

[Votto]

Governing requires a certain degree of control over people's lives. You're complaining about certain issues that require the government to have authority and power. We the people have vested our government with certain powers, in order for it to serve our interests as individuals and a community. Government isn't inherently evil or good, it's whatever we want it to be. It's a social apparatus organized by the people to manage their large-scale, socioeconomic projects and affairs.

The government is a management tool that many of the wealthy ruling elites hate because it's the power of the people. The public at large isn't of the elite class, but of the working class. They truly hate the government and are always trying to control it to reduce democracy (the rule of the people). They do everything they can to turn government into an oligarchal plutocracy, ruled by the rich and powerful, rather than the working-class.

I'm curious, you call yourself a Christian, so what is your take on abortion and children getting gender changes? Would Jesus approve? Is the Catholic church right in equating abortion with infanticide?

Would you even equate 10/7 as the worst Jewish genocide since the Holocaust, or did they deserve it like many Democrats believe today?

 

[Blisterfinger]

Its not. Something else you don't understand.

And???

It says more about the electorate than anything else. Take your lazy ass for example...the moment you hear someone is a democrat...what is your opinion of anything they say? See what I mean? The electorate has gotten lazy and are reflexively against or for something based on faulty beliefs about the person who is proposing the plan. Like your lord and master Trump...he wants no solution to the border/gaza/ukraine problem... And you, of course, completely support it even though you've devoted the last 5 years of your miserable life trying to convince us that we're in constant danger of people coming across the border. So now, when there is going to be something done about it...you're not wanting it done.

You know how you can tell if a Democrat is lying? They are moving their mouths. Trump wants what any patriotic American would want, a secure border and an ethical government who believes in America first.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Let them explore less brutal avenues. Do you think Israel would not leave us high and dry if it benefited them?

Probably not

 

[ralfy]

Government works for the 10 pct of Americans that own 70 pct of the country's wealth.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Government works for the 10 pct of Americans that own 70 pct of the country's wealth.

Definitely, money is a huge problem in government. Luckily we have a constitution and some laws to protect us. It does seem like government is finding more and more ways to work around the law to enrich itself and use the law to its own benefit ex. the Biden Administration.

 

[candycorn]

But you can mis-quote me.

 

[jackflash]

As we see government say there is nothing they can do about crime, the border, inflation, wars abroad, and the growing divide in America, it hit me.

Government has no interest in governing, rather, they just want to control people as best they can.

What am I missing?

Nothing. Spot on; gment = power = control.

Governing requires a certain degree of control over people's lives. You're complaining about certain issues that require the government to have authority and power. We the people have vested our government with certain powers, in order for it to serve our interests as individuals and a community. Government isn't inherently evil or good, it's whatever we want it to be. It's a social apparatus organized by the people to manage their large-scale, socioeconomic projects and affairs.

The government is a management tool that many of the wealthy ruling elites hate because it's the power of the people. The public at large isn't of the elite class, but of the working class. They truly hate the government and are always trying to control it to reduce democracy (the rule of the people). They do everything they can to turn government into an oligarchal plutocracy, ruled by the rich and powerful, rather than the working-class.

The current problems within American society boils down to problems associated with the current state of the human condition(human nature). Chief among these problems in my opinion are morals(lack of morality) which are responsible for ensuring a smooth continuity of harmony between folks in general. I have studied nations/empires back to & including the Akkadian empire, actually some limited studies into the Sumer era(Sumerian folks). There are no differences regarding reasoning, territorial protectionism, aggression, love & hate, domination/power & control between 2024 A.D. folks & the 5000 B.C. ancient Mesopotamia folks of Sumer(agricultural based economy). Technology HAS seriously advanced between the two before mentioned eras but that's about it.

Humanity either came factory equipped with a malfunctioning computer(brain) from the get go or humanity has a spiritual virus that automatically defaults towards war/aggression, domination/power & control @ the slightest chance to do so. There is ONE major difference I have noticed in America. City folks seem under perpetual stress($pendy to live in cities), where us country folks are pretty well laid back. City folks seem to just work & sleep then go out for a dinner on Saturday then the same routine repeats itself over & over endlessly. City folks may have a pooch or two or a cat or both IF they are purcha$ing a home, the renters/apt. dwellers have 0, zero, nada creatures. Out here on the farms we are inundated with pets of all kinds, horses, sheep, pooches/cats, deer, emus, goats etc. Want nature in a city one goes to a manicured park. Out here in the sticks(plateau in my case) we can't get out of nature because we are surrounded by nature as far as the eye can see.

What I am getting at is it possible that the $tressed out city life, keeping up with the joneses, cramped lot living, lack of nature & creatures is driving city folks to become even more aggressive towards their fellow man? If it is then there is another tragedy @ play like folks can't afford to live in the concrete jungles, & they can't afford to escape the concrete jungles either! Thanks for the post!

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

What am I missing?

The Responsibility of the Ruling Class's Elitist Oligarchic Constitution

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Why then is Biden's approval rating the lowest in Presidential history?

And Congress has not had an approval rating above 20% in about half a century.

How does this reflect a society that has proper representation?

Re-presentation of Historical Dominance, Decadence, Degeneracy, Decline, and Disintegration

Representation itself is what causes this evil. So you're begging the question by assuming that we are poorly represented, when there is no such thing as good representation. The excluded citizens can never benefit from letting a few know-it-alls make all the political decisions for 300 million Americans.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You still can't differentiate between the border situation (the United States) and the border situation (Israel) yet, can you? I'm sorry, he does not want YOUR solution, which is complete subservience to Israel. We've done that for 75 years and here we are now, bleeding and deep in debt.

We and Israel Face the Same Humanoid Vermin

 

[WEATHER53]

Government charged from assistive and protective to punitive and stuck in yesteryear during Obama and went full bore facist during Covid and still rolling out a lot of “for your own good” bullshit