"Far Right" can't win for GOP? ...BS!

[Skylar]

I've been asking this question since the OP and it hasn't been explained. Who the hell are you talking about? What policies are they advocating that are "far" or "extreme" in any way?

I've been quite specific: those right of mainstream conservatives. Ted Cruz would be a splendid example of far right. The kind of candidate many of your ilk would describe as a 'real conservative' (I believe Jroc did exactly that). But who won't get through the primary. And wouldn't come close to winning in a general election if he did. Huckabee would be far right. Santorum was far right. Bachmann was far right. Nobody wants them. Not conservatives. And certainly not moderates or liberals.

Romney, McCain, Huntsman, Jeb.....much more mainstream. Most could get through the primary process. Jeb has a very good chance of being nominated. As conservatives favor mainstream conservative candidates over far right.

Name a 'real conservative' candidate for us. Out of 2012 or this years crop. I've given you specific examples. Surely you can do the same.

You've created a false ideology of Conservatism and in your pea-brain minds, that's what you believe a Conservative is.

More accurately, I don't accept you as defining either. As your perception is hopelessly skewed by laughable false assumptions that you can't possibly back up with evidence. And I certainly don't accept any batshit nonsense that 'moderates actually conservatives' and 'liberals are conservative'. Moderates and liberals make up 58% of the electorate.

Math is not your friend. Willful ignorance though is your thunder buddy for life.

Conservatism... TRUE Conservatism, is a philosophy. It does not confine itself to any particular ideology.

Says you, citing you. And I reject you as defining 'true conservatism'. You can offer us your personal opinion. But as your 'liberals are conservatives' nonsense has demonstrated, you have no idea what you're talking about.

By definition, a Conservative is not a radical extremist. That voids conservative philosophy. So if you do have some radical zealot out there, they aren't Conservative.

By whose definition? Again, you're begging the question. Just making a series of statements that you can't back up, based on your personal opinions. If you have a definition, offer it to us. But it just you citing you again, it defines nothing but your opinion. And your opinion is some pretty useless shit as your 'liberals are conservatives' nonsense demonstrated.

I am seeking to address the so-called Republican "moderates" who want to distance themselves from Conservative philosophy because they are idiots who don't understand it. They've somehow been brainwashed by the Liberal Left and the mainstream media into believing Conservative means "far right" when it doesn't mean that.... can't mean that and still be Conservative.

Listen to yourself. You're rejecting even self proclaimed conservatives as not being 'true conservatives'. And blaming them for not nominating a 'real conservative' candidate. And yet you think that those self identifying as moderates and liberals are MORE receptive to your 'true conservative', more aware of a 'true conservative' is than the very GOP folks you denounce as 'idiots'?

Of course not. You're just lying to yourself. The GOP is by far your most receptive audience. And they don't want your 'real conservatives'.

No one does.

 

[Skylar]

A GOP candidate has never won the white house without at least 41% of the moderate vote. They couldn't muster that with Romney or McCain. So the notion that they could have with someone like Bachmann or Gingrich is absolutely hilarious.

But "moderates" are mostly Conservative... are you not paying attention?

You realize that you've never been able to back that bullshit up with the slightest evidence, right? And that you insisting it must be so isn't evidence. Its just you applying pressure to a keyboard with your fingers?

PROVE that moderates are mostly conservatives. Because they don't self identify as conservatives. They self identify as moderates. Which stands as powerful evidence against you. What have you got that is more compelling evidence that they're wrong about their own political leanings?

Say it with me: "Jack" "Shit". Or are you not paying attention?

Conservative philosophy, by it's very nature, is a moderate viewpoint as opposed to a radical one. That's what Conservatism IS. Liberals have morphed it into some ridiculous radical ideology that basically no one has but that doesn't mean that's what Conservatism means just because Liberals say so.

Says you citing yourself. And you're nobody.

It doesn't matter what you think a 'conservative' is. It matters what THEY think a conservative is. And most folks don't agree with you. Hell, you've denounced the majority of republicans as not being conservative. So your 38% conservatives have been reduced to, at best, 19% of 'true conservatives'. At best, and likely far less. You're not going to see more support among independents or liberals. The former overwhelmingly self identifying as moderates or liberals. And the latter not self identifying as conservatives at all.

We don't have any way of knowing if Bachmann or Gingrich could have defeated Obama. All we can do is speculate based on what did happen. Conservatives split their votes between Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum and Cain while establishment GOPers voted in solidarity for Romney. He lost the general election because he didn't have a Conservative message and Conservatives stayed home.

We have strong indications that neither Bachmann or Gingrich would have won. Both polled poorly against Obama. The closest Gingrich ever got was to trail Obama by 5 points. With virtually all of his primary run trailing Obama by 12 to 15 points. For Bachmann it was even worse. Her closest poll v Obama was 9 points down. With virtually all of her primary run down by 15 to 18 points.

And these were 2 way polls. So you can't offer us excuses that conservatives 'split their votes'. And the 'split their vote' fallacy is bullshit anyway. You could have added up the delegate totals for the next 3 leading GOP primary candidates COMBINED, and they wouldn't have touched Romney. Even adding the popular vote totals, it wasn't even close. You could even throw in Ron Paul's total to Gingrich and Santorum, and Romney STILL wins by 6 points.

It wasn't even close.

'Real Conservatives' just lost. The GOP didn't want your 'real conservatives'. And as poll after poll demonstrated, neither did anyone else.

You've literally imagined support that there's no evidence of. And your imagination is meaningless. Polling and their easy defeats even among their most sympathetic audience is evidence. And it explicitly contradicts you. So you have nothing to support your assertions. And powerful evidence contradicting you.

You clearly haven't thought this through, have you?

 

[Judicial review]

Oh Gingrich would have won vs Obama. That's for damn sure. Money wins out till the General election. Haven't you learned, sky?

 

[edthecynic]

But "moderates" are mostly Conservative... are you not paying attention?

Moderates are not extremists like Cruz, who you define as a "true" CON$ervoFascist... are you not paying attention?

 

[edthecynic]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "FAR RIGHT?"

Ted Cruz

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most people are conservative when it's articulated properly above all the clouds of bullshit perpetrated by people like you and fake.

You are not a true conservative. Boehner is a conservative, not a far right reactionary.Modern conservatism is not the Tea Party, which is a manifestation of anti American values that will return the US to the 1950s. The Millennials and GenXers will not allow that.

HRC will easily beat a TC, even if it is a dog catcher contest in Marble Falls, Tx. The mainstream GOP knows a far right reactionary like Cruz or Perry will not get 40% of the vote for president. Far right reactionaries ignore everything that does not imitate their beliefs,and are enraged that they are still in a solid minority.

 

[Jroc]

Conservatives didn't, Republicans did

70% of republicans are self proclaimed conservatives.

if they can explain it. Bohner says he's a conservative. So does McConnell, doesn't mean much does it? They are a joke

Says you. Who is a better source on Boehner's political beliefs......you who doesn't know Boehner, hasn't met him, has never been in the same room with him?

Or Boehner?

By any rational standard, Boehner is a far better source on his own political beliefs than you are pretending to speak for him.

Actions speak louder than words sweetie. Boehner attacks real conservatives and capitulates to Obama along with his even more spineless wonder McConnell. They are an embarrassment

'Real Conservatives' according to who? According to you. Citing yourself. And your source sucks.

See how this works?

if they can explain it. Bohner says he's a conservative. So does McConnell, doesn't mean much does it? They are a joke

Says you. Who is a better source on Boehner's political beliefs......you who doesn't know Boehner, hasn't met him, has never been in the same room with him?

Or Boehner?

By any rational standard, Boehner is a far better source on his own political beliefs than you are pretending to speak for him.

Actions speak louder than words sweetie. Boehner attacks real conservatives and capitulates to Obama along with his even more spineless wonder McConnell. They are an embarrassment

'Real Conservatives' according to who? According to you. Citing yourself. And your source sucks.

See how this works?

You have no credibility you support pay for play Hilary Clinton. Ted Cruz would destroy Hilary in a debate of ideas. She's scripted and unpolished not like Obama the expert demagogue

Laughing....translation: You'll ignore anyone or anything that doesn't ape everything you already believe.

Dude, ignore me all you like. Its not me I'm quoting. But Gallup. And the 58% of folks that DON'T self identify at conservatives. You have to ignore me, everyone of them, Gallup, Pew, everyone. All to cling to a personal opinion you can't back with jack shit.

You don't do well outside the right wing echo chamber, do you?

Umm.... This coming from a blind Hilary follower

Most people are conservative when it's articulated properly above all the clouds of bullshit perpetrated by people like you and fake.

You are not a true conservative. Boehner is a conservative, not a far right reactionary.Modern conservatism is not the Tea Party, which is a manifestation of anti American values that will return the US to the 1950s. The Millennials and GenXers will not allow that.

HRC will easily beat a TC, even if it is a dog catcher contest in Marble Falls, Tx. The mainstream GOP knows a far right reactionary like Cruz or Perry will not get 40% of the vote for president. Far right reactionaries ignore everything that does not imitate their beliefs,and are enraged that they are still in a solid minority.

LOL...In fake's mind Hilary Clinton who sells out the country for cash are certain winners. Ted Cruz wipes the floor in a debate with Hilary the cash cow..The tea party gave us Paul, Rubio, Cruz, We have three legitimate presidential candidates already with more to come. The establishment give us Jeb Bush? Christ Christie" certain losers..."Stay out the Bushes"

 

[thanatos144]

How left do you have to be to think Romney was a conservative?????

For fuck's sake, the OP has argued that Bill Clinton was a conservative. If Clinton is a conservative, then so is Romney. Unless of course the OP doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about.

Clinton was a pragmatist....And far more conservative then Romney.....That should tell you how liner Mitt was... But I know you liberal have a hard time getting over your bigotry for Mormons.

So advocating tax increases for the wealthy is a conservative ideal?

Advocating universal healthcare is a conservative ideal?

Arguing that Roe V. Wade was the right decision is a conservative ideal?

Blaming budget impasses on republicans is a conservative ideal?

Supporting affirmative action is a conservative ideal?

Advocating adding sexual orientation to Hate Crimes legislation is a conservative ideal?

Pushing green energy tax credits is a conservative ideal?

Signing the Kyoto Accords on Climate Change is a conservative ideal?

Supporting an assault weapons ban is a conservative ideal?

Supporting gun registration and waiting periods for gun purchases is a conservative ideal?

Who knew?

I said pragmatic. Look the word up

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far right reactionaries are out of touch with reality.

HRC would beat Cruz or Perry by 20 points.

Kasich with Rubio or Paul could play ball with her.

 

[Boss]

I've been quite specific: those right of mainstream conservatives. Ted Cruz would be a splendid example of far right. The kind of candidate many of your ilk would describe as a 'real conservative' (I believe Jroc did exactly that). But who won't get through the primary. And wouldn't come close to winning in a general election if he did. Huckabee would be far right. Santorum was far right. Bachmann was far right. Nobody wants them. Not conservatives. And certainly not moderates or liberals.

You have still not defined what the difference is between a "regular" conservative and a "far right" conservative. You just threw out some names of people you believe are "far right" conservatives then made some loose predictions about the upcoming election.

By whose definition? Again, you're begging the question. Just making a series of statements that you can't back up, based on your personal opinions. If you have a definition, offer it to us. But it just you citing you again, it defines nothing but your opinion. And your opinion is some pretty useless shit as your 'liberals are conservatives' nonsense demonstrated.

By the definition in the fucking dictionary you thick head.

con·serv·a·tive
kənˈsərvədiv/
adjective

1. holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

Holding to values..cautious about change... the OPPOSITE of a radical!

...as your 'liberals are conservatives' nonsense...

You mean the nonsense where I listed several prime examples of liberal conservatives like Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller and Bill Clinton?

Says you, citing you. And I reject you as defining 'true conservatism'.

Fuck you! I don't give a damn what you reject you narcissistic piece of shit. When do you think the world decided to start revolving around what you reject or accept? You don't define Conservatives, you never have. You can't even explain what the difference is between your "far right" MYTH and "regular" conservatives. In your book, when it all comes down to it, Mitt Romney and John McCain are just as "far right" as any other person who isn't a radical left wing socialist like you.

 

[Boss]

PROVE that moderates are mostly conservatives. Because they don't self identify as conservatives.

Hell, I don't blame them! When a "Conservative" is the most despicable creature ever to roam the planet.. racist, bigoted, knuckledraggers who want to push old people off a cliff and starve poor kids, ban abortions and homosexuals and make you pray in school against your will... yeah, I wouldn't want to associate with such a group either! If someone asked me I'd say I am not one of them, they are not me.

Your polls are an indication of how effective the left has been at demonizing Conservatism. The problem is, it's all perpetrated on a lie. So now the job befalls Conservatives to take back the dialogue and set the record straight. That can be done by someone like Ted Cruz, because while idiots like Eddy are running around claiming he is "far right" and not giving any indication of what the fuck that means, he will be bashing your brains out with pragmatic common sense ideas and conservative philosophy, which resonates wildly among the voters.

 

[Skylar]

PROVE that moderates are mostly conservatives. Because they don't self identify as conservatives.

Hell, I don't blame them! When a "Conservative" is the most despicable creature ever to roam the planet.. racist, bigoted, knuckledraggers who want to push old people off a cliff and starve poor kids, ban abortions and homosexuals and make you pray in school against your will... yeah, I wouldn't want to associate with such a group either! If someone asked me I'd say I am not one of them, they are not me.

So once again your 'proof' is for you to imagine you speak for moderates, independents and liberals yet again. And to ignore anything they say for themselves.

Again, citing only yourself.

Same problem as before, B: your imagination isn't evidence. You can't back your claim that moderates and liberals are conservatives with jack shit. With moderates and liberals themselves are a far better source on their own political leanings than you are pretending that you know better. And they contradict you.

Remember, B....and this point is fundamental; you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[edthecynic]

a "Conservative" is the most despicable creature ever to roam the planet

First truthful thing you've ever said.

 

[Boss]

But "moderates" are mostly Conservative... are you not paying attention?

Moderates are not extremists like Cruz, who you define as a "true" CON$ervoFascist... are you not paying attention?

All you are doing, or ANY of you idiots are doing, is repeating "far right" and "extremist" and then attaching it to people who are conservatives. I ask you patiently to define or delineate the difference and you reel off another list of names of people you don't like and tag them as "far right." It's getting to be like a fucking Abbott and Costello routine!

Most moderates are Conservative because Conservatism is a moderate philosophy, BY DEFINITION. You've not explained what is "far right" about Conservatism. All you can do is continue to smear and insult without any basis for what you're saying.

Again, when one of you idiots says "far right" you are simply speaking of a Conservative who holds to a Conservative philosophy, nothing more. You can't distinguish any difference and you've been offered every chance to do so. Now.... blathering off another list of Conservatives you don't like and saying they are "far right" is not getting you anywhere. I already know who the Conservatives are, I don't need you to tell me.

 

[Boss]

You can't back your claim that moderates and liberals are conservatives with jack shit.

I did not say that moderates and liberals are Conservatives. I said that most moderates are Conservative because Conservatism is a moderate philosophy, by definition. Then I gave you the dictionary definition. Now you will note that I did not state that ALL moderates are Conservatives. I also gave you several examples of Liberal Conservatives... Joe Lieberman... Zell Miller... Bill Clinton. All Liberals who ran as, and were elected as, Conservatives.

So I am the one who is backing his arguments with facts that you can't refute. YOU are the one devoid of anything explaining this false ideology of Conservatism you've created and nothing but a handful of useless polls, probably conducted by Liberal mush-brains like you.

 

[jasonnfree]

But "moderates" are mostly Conservative... are you not paying attention?

Moderates are not extremists like Cruz, who you define as a "true" CON$ervoFascist... are you not paying attention?

All you are doing, or ANY of you idiots are doing, is repeating "far right" and "extremist" and then attaching it to people who are conservatives. I ask you patiently to define or delineate the difference and you reel off another list of names of people you don't like and tag them as "far right." It's getting to be like a fucking Abbott and Costello routine!

Most moderates are Conservative because Conservatism is a moderate philosophy, BY DEFINITION. You've not explained what is "far right" about Conservatism. All you can do is continue to smear and insult without any basis for what you're saying.

Again, when one of you idiots says "far right" you are simply speaking of a Conservative who holds to a Conservative philosophy, nothing more. You can't distinguish any difference and you've been offered every chance to do so. Now.... blathering off another list of Conservatives you don't like and saying they are "far right" is not getting you anywhere. I already know who the Conservatives are, I don't need you to tell me.

That's why I like to just use dem or repub, conservative or liberal. Degrees or gradations of fanaticism doesn't matter though. I've asked repubs, conservatives for years, what has a republican ever done for you, they don't have an answer. I don't mean the god, gun, gay social issue. Just hard economics. Republicans represent the very wealthy and large corporations period.

 

[edthecynic]

So now the job befalls Conservatives to take back the dialogue and set the record straight. That can be done by someone like Ted Cruz, because while idiots like Eddy are running around claiming he is "far right" and not giving any indication of what the fuck that means, he will be bashing your brains out with pragmatic common sense ideas and conservative philosophy, which resonates wildly among the voters.

You have moron "know it alls" like Bossy who pretend not to know the radical far Right things an
insurrectionist like Cruz says even though it has been plastered all over the news. Since Bossy will no longer be able to play dumb, he will now pretend that 2nd amendment was intended for killing government officials you disagree with by rationalizing they are taking away your liberty, according to the CON$ervoFascist DOCTRINE of "Original INTENT."

If you cannot see anything radical or extreme about the below quote, it is only because you, like Cruz, are also so far Right you can no longer see the middle!

"The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution isn't for just protecting hunting rights, and it's not only to safeguard your right to target practice. It is a Constitutional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny -- for the protection of liberty"
- Ted Cruz

 

[edthecynic]

Conservatism is a moderate philosophy, by definition.

BULLSHIT! By definition!

 

[Boss]

So now the job befalls Conservatives to take back the dialogue and set the record straight. That can be done by someone like Ted Cruz, because while idiots like Eddy are running around claiming he is "far right" and not giving any indication of what the fuck that means, he will be bashing your brains out with pragmatic common sense ideas and conservative philosophy, which resonates wildly among the voters.

You have moron "know it alls" like Bossy who pretend not to know the radical far Right things an
insurrectionist like Cruz says even though it has been plastered all over the news. Since Bossy will no longer be able to play dumb, he will now pretend that 2nd amendment was intended for killing government officials you disagree with by rationalizing they are taking away your liberty, according to the CON$ervoFascist DOCTRINE of "Original INTENT."

If you cannot see anything radical or extreme about the below quote, it is only because you, like Cruz, are also so far Right you can no longer see the middle!

"The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution isn't for just protecting hunting rights, and it's not only to safeguard your right to target practice. It is a Constitutional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny -- for the protection of liberty"
- Ted Cruz

There is nothing whatsoever radical or extreme about his statement. If you read the Federalist Papers, you would know that he is stating precisely what the founding fathers argued when creating the 2nd Amendment.

He has not called for insurrection, that's YOU trying to demonize him for being Conservative.

 

[Boss]

Conservatism is a moderate philosophy, by definition.

BULLSHIT! By definition!

Again... go find a dictionary and look it up for yourself. A Conservative is someone who is (by definition) opposed to radical change. They are not "extreme" in their viewpoint of maintaining tradition. Conservatism IS the moderate philosophy as opposed to radical Liberal ideology.