"Far Right" can't win for GOP? ...BS!

Pinocchio, your type of 'Conservative' is not the conservatives of the mainstream. You are outliers, somewhat similiar to the John Birch Society and other social con far right religious groups. We are not in the mainstream, and we will never be that.

We will not nominate a Cruz, Perry, Santorum, etc.
 
Pinocchio, your type of 'Conservative' is not the conservatives of the mainstream. You are outliers, somewhat similiar to the John Birch Society and other social con far right religious groups. We are not in the mainstream, and we will never be that.

We will not nominate a Cruz, Perry, Santorum, etc.

Well, no... My Conservative philosophy is the same Conservatism articulated by Reagan and is currently being articulated by Ted Cruz. Perry and Santorum are social conservative ideologues. I am not a social conservative ideologue and after Dubya, I'm not real impressed with social conservative ideologues because they tend to not be fiscal conservatives.

I will point out once again, another reply without any delineation as to what you mean by "far right." All you have done is attach a pejorative to people you don't like because they are conservatives with a conservative philosophy. You can keep saying "far right" to describe conservatives but you've not qualified that and you can't. It's just YOU blathering on with a pointless and defeated meme.
 
Your "Conservative philosophy is the same Conservatism articulated . . . articulated by Ted Cruz." Reagan would have very little to do with you.
 
Your "Conservative philosophy is the same Conservatism articulated . . . articulated by Ted Cruz." Reagan would have very little to do with you.

Why do you think Reagan would have little to do with me? Give us some examples!

Can you not articulate anything? Why do you keep making baseless statements and refuse to articulate further? Do you think this passes for intellectual discourse?

You're a loudmouth punk who apparently can't make any kind of reasonable argument to support your blather. You make these rash and unsupportable claims about people and then pretend you've somehow won something.
 
No, it is your affirmation, so you give me the examples.

That is the affirmation's duty.

I am a calm, quiet manner mild reporter who has no trouble outing your claims you are a Conservative, a mainstream believer in Americanism, far righr does not exist, etc.

No, you don't carry it off. Stop making claims and give solid evidence.
 
Your "Conservative philosophy is the same Conservatism articulated . . . articulated by Ted Cruz." Reagan would have very little to do with you.

Why do you think Reagan would have little to do with me? Give us some examples!

Can you not articulate anything? Why do you keep making baseless statements and refuse to articulate further? Do you think this passes for intellectual discourse?

You're a loudmouth punk who apparently can't make any kind of reasonable argument to support your blather. You make these rash and unsupportable claims about people and then pretend you've somehow won something.


Fake is a Reagan hater. He claims to be a Gerald Ford RINO this is where he comes from
 
I did not like Reagan, mostly because Iran-Contra that threatened the troops because of his stupid, lying behavior. Ford was great, and I supported Nixon (then we found he was a crook, and Bush the Elder.
 
Pinocchio, your type of 'Conservative' is not the conservatives of the mainstream. You are outliers, somewhat similiar to the John Birch Society and other social con far right religious groups. We are not in the mainstream, and we will never be that.

We will not nominate a Cruz, Perry, Santorum, etc.

That is right the far left will not nominate them..
 
Just because CON$ worship tradition as sacred does not exclude them, by definition, from being quite radical.

LMAO... Yeah, just because they oppose radicalism and favor tradition doesn't mean they aren't extremists! ...Do you even hear how stupid you sound?
As usual you lie by the way you edited my post to create your Straw Man.

Here is what you edited which you have now defined as "radicalism." You can't get any more far Right than that, but no matter how many times your OWN words expose you as an extremist you will still lie and deny it.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes
- Salman Rushdie, (1947 - )

I didn't edit anything, I paraphrased what you said, which was basically that conservatives (who are opposed to radical change) are still radicals because YOU say so, and nothing more.

I've not said anything which has yet to be shown as "radical" or "extreme" in any way. I continue to repeat my request for any of you to articulate what the fuck you're talking about, and so far, all you can come up with is defense of the 2nd Amendment. Ooo... I'm a goddamn extremist wacko, I think we have the right to bear arms!
No, liar that the far Right you changed "progress" to "radical." It is a lie to call changing Rushdie's words "paraphrasing." But the far Right has nothing but lies.
 
It is radicle to interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that the INDIVIDUAL is guaranteed the right to bear arms in order to overthrow the government whenever he rationalizes he is protecting his individual liberty.

No one has stated this except YOU!

What you are doing is twisting the words of Sen. Cruz in order to make you inane point. You are inferring things that were not said.

And... Constitution's Bill of Rights applies to individuals! Yes, the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals who do have the right to defend their property and ultimately, their country in the event of a tyrannical overthrow of government in order to restore democracy. I'm sorry if you don't think we should have the right to defend our country from the overthrow of tyrants. I suggest you move to China or Russia where people have no freedom or rights.
Not according to the Federalist Papers, as you well know!

The amendment’s author, Federalist James Madison, articulated that its purpose was to split the military power of the new nation between the states and the federal government. But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces “conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.”
 
Your "Conservative philosophy is the same Conservatism articulated . . . articulated by Ted Cruz." Reagan would have very little to do with you.

Why do you think Reagan would have little to do with me? Give us some examples!
Some guns are useful only for assault, warfare, murder or mayhem - like the so-called 'assault weapons' AKA 'combat' firearms. Law-abiding civilians have no legitimate interest in assault, warfare, murder, or mayhem. Therefore, law-abiding civilians have no legitimate interest in combat firearms.

Ronald Reagan, a long time NRA member and a victim of gun violence, supported a ban on combat weapons on precisely those grounds. In 1989, he said: “I do not believe in taking away the right of the citizen for sporting, for hunting and so forth, or for home defense. But I do believe that an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting weapon or needed for defense of a home.”
 
It is radicle to interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that the INDIVIDUAL is guaranteed the right to bear arms in order to overthrow the government whenever he rationalizes he is protecting his individual liberty.

No one has stated this except YOU!

What you are doing is twisting the words of Sen. Cruz in order to make you inane point. You are inferring things that were not said.

And... Constitution's Bill of Rights applies to individuals! Yes, the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals who do have the right to defend their property and ultimately, their country in the event of a tyrannical overthrow of government in order to restore democracy. I'm sorry if you don't think we should have the right to defend our country from the overthrow of tyrants. I suggest you move to China or Russia where people have no freedom or rights.
Not according to the Federalist Papers, as you well know!

The amendment’s author, Federalist James Madison, articulated that its purpose was to split the military power of the new nation between the states and the federal government. But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces “conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.”

But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces...

Hence the phrase "well-formed militia" in the 2nd Amendment.

Has Cruz said anything about citizens taking up arms against the government? No.

I know Madison better than you, I can assure you. What you are now trying to do is sidle up to Madison's argument for strong state militias as if that somehow makes your argument that Cruz opposes Madison. Who the hell do you think state militias are made of? Foreigners? :dunno: The individual right to bear arms is made in the argument for strong state militias.

I don't think Ted Cruz thinks individual people ought to have the right to revolt and overthrow the government on their own without the state. If you have something he has said to that effect, you are more than welcome to show us. Trying to twist and distort his comments out of context by doing some pretty amazing acrobatics is not going to work.
 
No, it is your affirmation, so you give me the examples.

That is the affirmation's duty.

I am a calm, quiet manner mild reporter who has no trouble outing your claims you are a Conservative, a mainstream believer in Americanism, far righr does not exist, etc.

No, you don't carry it off. Stop making claims and give solid evidence.

Huh? You made a statement: "Reagan wouldn't have anything to do with you." Now you are saying that I have to disprove you statement? I have to prove Reagan would have something to do with me?

Well okay... I think he would certainly like my idea of a balanced budget amendment. I don't think he would have any problem with my idea of abolishing the IRS or reforming Social Security. I think he would support me on having a strong national defense. So the way I see it, I think there is ample evidence that Reagan would adore me.

Now can you not support your allegation? Because here in the real world where the rest of us live, that's what you have to do when you make an allegation about someone. If you can't, then you are a blowhard and a joke. A role that suits you well!
 
I did not like Reagan, mostly because Iran-Contra that threatened the troops because of his stupid, lying behavior. Ford was great, and I supported Nixon (then we found he was a crook, and Bush the Elder.

This explains everything. You are not a Conservative. You either don't understand or don't like the Conservative philosophy. Maybe it's because of misconception or just plain ignorance, I can't be the judge. The simple fact is, you are not a Conservative.

I suspect you are a Big Labor corporatist. Since that was what Ford and Nixon were and what is currently running the GOP at this time. It's important to note that corporatist ideologues are not Conservative and don't give a solitary shit about conservative philosophy. They are all about the almighty dollar and organized labor. Crony capitalism-- the New World Order! That's your ideology and why you are a Republican.
The problem is, you can't win national elections on your ideology.
 
It is radicle to interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that the INDIVIDUAL is guaranteed the right to bear arms in order to overthrow the government whenever he rationalizes he is protecting his individual liberty.

No one has stated this except YOU!

What you are doing is twisting the words of Sen. Cruz in order to make you inane point. You are inferring things that were not said.

And... Constitution's Bill of Rights applies to individuals! Yes, the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals who do have the right to defend their property and ultimately, their country in the event of a tyrannical overthrow of government in order to restore democracy. I'm sorry if you don't think we should have the right to defend our country from the overthrow of tyrants. I suggest you move to China or Russia where people have no freedom or rights.
Not according to the Federalist Papers, as you well know!

The amendment’s author, Federalist James Madison, articulated that its purpose was to split the military power of the new nation between the states and the federal government. But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces “conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.”

But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces...

Hence the phrase "well-formed militia" in the 2nd Amendment.

Has Cruz said anything about citizens taking up arms against the government? No.

I know Madison better than you, I can assure you. What you are now trying to do is sidle up to Madison's argument for strong state militias as if that somehow makes your argument that Cruz opposes Madison. Who the hell do you think state militias are made of? Foreigners? :dunno: The individual right to bear arms is made in the argument for strong state militias.

I don't think Ted Cruz thinks individual people ought to have the right to revolt and overthrow the government on their own without the state. If you have something he has said to that effect, you are more than welcome to show us. Trying to twist and distort his comments out of context by doing some pretty amazing acrobatics is not going to work.
The radical extremist Crus never once mentioned the state, not a single time, but mentioned the individual 4 times. His subject line for his insurrectionist rant was, "2nd Amendment against tyranny."

The idea that guns protect Americans against government encroachment is a dangerously slippery one. One man’s liberty encroachment is another man’s law enforcement, ala Bundy ranch. Such a view when it boils down to it is not the philosophy of patriotic citizens ready to defend their liberties-no matter how it is presented. It is, in truth, part and parcel of a terrorist ideology.

Every suicide bomber can, after all, use the same excuse. Casting aside the democratic system altogether, disregarding the power of representative government, ignoring the law of the land for the sake of a noble truth, indisputable right or principle, all of these things belong to the terrorist mentality. History gives us plenty of proof that fighting tyrants is the creed of most political terrorists. John Wilkes Booth, for example, after murdering the president in cold blood at Ford's Theatre, Booth lept down to the stage and shouted at the audience, "Sic semper tyrannis" which means in Latin "Thus always to tyrants."
 
There's no such thing as a 'Far-Right'.

Go get 'em, tiger...

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It is radicle to interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that the INDIVIDUAL is guaranteed the right to bear arms in order to overthrow the government whenever he rationalizes he is protecting his individual liberty.

No one has stated this except YOU!

What you are doing is twisting the words of Sen. Cruz in order to make you inane point. You are inferring things that were not said.

And... Constitution's Bill of Rights applies to individuals! Yes, the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals who do have the right to defend their property and ultimately, their country in the event of a tyrannical overthrow of government in order to restore democracy. I'm sorry if you don't think we should have the right to defend our country from the overthrow of tyrants. I suggest you move to China or Russia where people have no freedom or rights.
Not according to the Federalist Papers, as you well know!

The amendment’s author, Federalist James Madison, articulated that its purpose was to split the military power of the new nation between the states and the federal government. But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces “conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.”

But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces...

Hence the phrase "well-formed militia" in the 2nd Amendment.

Has Cruz said anything about citizens taking up arms against the government? No.

I know Madison better than you, I can assure you. What you are now trying to do is sidle up to Madison's argument for strong state militias as if that somehow makes your argument that Cruz opposes Madison. Who the hell do you think state militias are made of? Foreigners? :dunno: The individual right to bear arms is made in the argument for strong state militias.

I don't think Ted Cruz thinks individual people ought to have the right to revolt and overthrow the government on their own without the state. If you have something he has said to that effect, you are more than welcome to show us. Trying to twist and distort his comments out of context by doing some pretty amazing acrobatics is not going to work.
The radical extremist Crus never once mentioned the state, not a single time, but mentioned the individual 4 times. His subject line for his insurrectionist rant was, "2nd Amendment against tyranny."

The idea that guns protect Americans against government encroachment is a dangerously slippery one. One man’s liberty encroachment is another man’s law enforcement, ala Bundy ranch. Such a view when it boils down to it is not the philosophy of patriotic citizens ready to defend their liberties-no matter how it is presented. It is, in truth, part and parcel of a terrorist ideology.

Every suicide bomber can, after all, use the same excuse. Casting aside the democratic system altogether, disregarding the power of representative government, ignoring the law of the land for the sake of a noble truth, indisputable right or principle, all of these things belong to the terrorist mentality. History gives us plenty of proof that fighting tyrants is the creed of most political terrorists. John Wilkes Booth, for example, after murdering the president in cold blood at Ford's Theatre, Booth lept down to the stage and shouted at the audience, "Sic semper tyrannis" which means in Latin "Thus always to tyrants."

Edward, I am not going to argue semantics with you. Cruz has said nothing about guns protecting people from government encroachment. There is nothing extreme or "far" in anything he said. He has an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment that you obviously don't have. His view is consistent with most voters and citizens of this country. In fact, gun control Liberals represent one of the smallest special interest groups.

Again, what we see you have done is to take Cruz' words out of context and imply he is somehow giving a green light to domestic terrorism. You might fool some idiot like Jake into believing this, but I don't think it will work on all of America.
 
No, it is your affirmation, so you give me the examples.

That is the affirmation's duty.

I am a calm, quiet manner mild reporter who has no trouble outing your claims you are a Conservative, a mainstream believer in Americanism, far righr does not exist, etc.

No, you don't carry it off. Stop making claims and give solid evidence.

Huh? You made a statement: "Reagan wouldn't have anything to do with you." Now you are saying that I have to disprove you statement? I have to prove Reagan would have something to do with me?

Well okay... I think he would certainly like my idea of a balanced budget amendment. I don't think he would have any problem with my idea of abolishing the IRS or reforming Social Security. I think he would support me on having a strong national defense. So the way I see it, I think there is ample evidence that Reagan would adore me.

Now can you not support your allegation? Because here in the real world where the rest of us live, that's what you have to do when you make an allegation about someone. If you can't, then you are a blowhard and a joke. A role that suits you well!
At least you finally tried. I have been saying you are making claims for which you have offered no proof except your opinion, which is a circular argument. Finally, you offer some analysis. He expanded the size of government and spent money like crazy on the credit card to defeat the USSR: RR would not have supported a balanced budget that would have prevented him from spending money. What you think is immaterial: give us evidence he would have abolished the IRS. Reforming SS is a goal of everyone.
 

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