Explain to us Libs, what is a living wage?

[rightwinger]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

Right winger can you comprehend what a question is? what is a living wage?

A living wage varies depending on where you live...

However, one thing that is consistent is that in areas where employers pay significantly below what people can support their families on.....the taxpayers make up the difference

 

[thereisnospoon]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

Ok....So lets say for a moment you people get your way. The federal government mandates by legislation the end of the minimum wage and in turn mandates a "minimum living wage" This is to be indexed to locality to cost of living. So a living wage in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston or New York would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 per hour. For a rural area perhaps $15 per hour...
Now that the federal government has dramatically increased the cost fo doing business, prices for goods and services would be increased to cover the additional cost of labor.
At the end of the day, all those wage increases would be neutralized by the increased cost of living. It's a wash. A very expensive wash.
And an idiotic idea.
I find it amazing how you people have decided wages could be increased to a so called living wage and completely ignore the fact that the money has to come from somewhere.

 

[Care4all]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

Right winger can you comprehend what a question is? what is a living wage?

WHAT IS A LIVING WAGE?

The idea behind a living wage is that people who work in our community should be able to live decently and raise their families here. This requires a wage and benefits package that takes into account the area-specific cost of living, as well as the basic expenses involved in supporting a family.


Although living wage standards do, by definition, vary by region, they are all considerably higher than the federal minimum wage. This is because the minimum wage does not begin to meet the needs of working people or families anywhere in the country: in fact, it puts a parent with one child below the federal poverty line. A living wage aims to correct this by establishing, at a local level, a more reasonable minimum wage. Like many municipal standards in place around the country....

The Living Wage Fact Sheet

 

[thereisnospoon]

So if Walmart paid their employees more money it would go from being Walmart prices to being Barney's 5th ave prices?

You know how dumb that sounds? The free market wouldnt have that and would just shop elsewhere, which is the incentive for Walmart to keep their prices low

Horse crap. If you knew a thing about business, the first order is to control labor costs as they are the largest part of the budget.
If labor costs rise, the money has to come from somewhere. In retail and service, the first thing that a business does to cover labor costs is increase prices.
And do not forget, as Wal Marts labor costs rise so do Saks and Barney's. Their prices will rise as well. So discounters prices would still be lower. It's all relative.
Nothing gets accomplished.

 

[DiamondDave]

In lib speak.. a 'living wage' has nothing to do with the basics of living... and it has nothing to do with a person doing what they have to do to live or provide... it has to do about a social and political talking point.... a symptom of 'stickittothemanitis'

What they forget is that minimum wage was never intended to be a wage where people support a family of 4... nor was it intended to be something about comfort in living... it is and always has been intended to be the minimum starting wage, generally for those entering the work force.... hell, even working at McD's for a year and you will gain a raise above your starting minimum wage...

And what ones like wrongwinger and the other tards on the extreme left also forget is that a 'living' or 'comfortable' wage is not something that is a 'right'... what a person earns is on them... whether they get crap wages or extraordinary wages is on their own efforts, decisions, skills, gumption, etc... if that person has to share a 2 BR apartment with 3 others and live off ramen, sleeping on the floor with a wool blanket, and walking to work, so be it... if they want better, it is their own responsibility to better themselves, market themselves, gain skills themselves, etc and place themselves in a position where the demand for what they can bring to a potential employer makes that employer pay for the value

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

Geeze Louise.. the fun never stops with this one.

 

[thereisnospoon]

the "jrk" thought his thread so important that it needed to be posted twice? \

hey gramps, any thread that starts "explain libs....."

is

trolling

and isn't designed to get a response or enagage in discussion.

The issue is beyond your comprehension. That is why you object.

 

[High_Gravity]

If it takes 15.00 an hour to have a "living" wage, well I really dont have an issue with that except that really all your doing is raising the cost to build a widget, or grow a widget to a point in which the 8.00 an hour becomes 15.00 an hour it seems to me
What is a living wage?

A "living" wage is relative, you ask 10 different people that question and you'll probably get 10 different answers, that answer is going to differ because people have different standards of what a "living" wage is and should be.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

Right winger can you comprehend what a question is? what is a living wage?

A living wage varies depending on where you live...

However, one thing that is consistent is that in areas where employers pay significantly below what people can support their families on.....the taxpayers make up the difference

If you force higher wages in those areas 2 things will happen.

1. Businesses will move to an area with a lower cost of living.

2. The people will wish they had the low paying jobs back.

 

[asterism]

Henery Ford figured out that if you pay enployeess enough to buy your product then you do very well.

The right wants only the 1% to be able to buy products.

Its a really stupid plan

Actually, Ford innovated to where he could build the product cheaply enough so that his employees could afford them. He increased wages to reduce turnover and attract talent. He was VERY anti-union.

It turned into a marketing gimmick.

The mythology around this story holds that Mr. Ford wanted to pay his workers enough so they could afford the products they were making.

In fact, that wasn't his original reasoning. But others made the point, and, in time, it became part of Mr. Ford's rationale as well. The idea became a linchpin in an industrial philosophy known as Fordism.

More production could lead to better wages, which in turn would lead to more spending by the public, yet more production and eventually even higher wages.

"One's own employees ought to be one's own best customers," Mr. Ford said years later. "Paying high wages," he concluded, "is behind the prosperity of this country."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/business/05leonhardt.html

 

[thereisnospoon]

So if Walmart paid their employees more money it would go from being Walmart prices to being Barney's 5th ave prices?

You know how dumb that sounds? The free market wouldnt have that and would just shop elsewhere, which is the incentive for Walmart to keep their prices low

Maybe, what we need is a society where more money is used to pay people at the bottom of the pyramid, and less at the top of the pyramid. Then, prices don't have to rise after all.

And just who gets to decide how wealth gets distributed? You? The federal government?
Oh please. You progressives are a curious bunch of economically and fiscally challenged whiners.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Henery Ford figured out that if you pay enployeess enough to buy your product then you do very well.

The right wants only the 1% to be able to buy products.

Its a really stupid plan

What's even more stupid is you attempting to chime in on a subject of which you are absent of knowledge.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

Right winger can you comprehend what a question is? what is a living wage?

WHAT IS A LIVING WAGE?

The idea behind a living wage is that people who work in our community should be able to live decently and raise their families here. This requires a wage and benefits package that takes into account the area-specific cost of living, as well as the basic expenses involved in supporting a family.


Although living wage standards do, by definition, vary by region, they are all considerably higher than the federal minimum wage. This is because the minimum wage does not begin to meet the needs of working people or families anywhere in the country: in fact, it puts a parent with one child below the federal poverty line. A living wage aims to correct this by establishing, at a local level, a more reasonable minimum wage. Like many municipal standards in place around the country....

The Living Wage Fact Sheet

1. The minimum wage isn't intended to support a family... it is more an entry level wage.
2. How do you explain the majority of people who don't require a living wage because they have skills/education, etc. that pays well?

Living wage is a bullshit concept.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So if Walmart paid their employees more money it would go from being Walmart prices to being Barney's 5th ave prices?

You know how dumb that sounds? The free market wouldnt have that and would just shop elsewhere, which is the incentive for Walmart to keep their prices low

Maybe, what we need is a society where more money is used to pay people at the bottom of the pyramid, and less at the top of the pyramid. Then, prices don't have to rise after all.

And just who gets to decide how wealth gets distributed? You? The federal government?
Oh please. You progressives are a curious bunch of economically and fiscally challenged whiners.

They're not the brightest bunch are they? And the ultimate irony is, they're constantly going on and on about how smart they are.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The libs dont understand if they raise the min wage or have 15.00 an hour everything else raises and they will still be in the same position and just making more but also paying more for the goods.

Okay, so forget the libs for a moment. Forget raising the minimum wage. If more money were spent paying the bottom of the pyramid, and less on paying the top, raises would be better, prices would be the same, or maybe even less, and a much more stable economy would emerge. Where's the bad side?

Once again, who gets to decide?
Government mandated wage ceilings? Government mandated profit ceilings?
All you are suggesting is a way to eliminate any incentive to go into business in the US.
Maybe if we lower the wages of the top".. "Maybe we can pay more to those at the bottom".
Please. Time for you to rotate back to the real world.

 

[Care4all]

Right winger can you comprehend what a question is? what is a living wage?

WHAT IS A LIVING WAGE?

The idea behind a living wage is that people who work in our community should be able to live decently and raise their families here. This requires a wage and benefits package that takes into account the area-specific cost of living, as well as the basic expenses involved in supporting a family.


Although living wage standards do, by definition, vary by region, they are all considerably higher than the federal minimum wage. This is because the minimum wage does not begin to meet the needs of working people or families anywhere in the country: in fact, it puts a parent with one child below the federal poverty line. A living wage aims to correct this by establishing, at a local level, a more reasonable minimum wage. Like many municipal standards in place around the country....

The Living Wage Fact Sheet

1. The minimum wage isn't intended to support a family... it is more an entry level wage.
2. How do you explain the majority of people who don't require a living wage because they have skills/education, etc. that pays well?

Living wage is a bullshit concept.

not really....

especially when we end up paying for gvt assistance for those not earning a living wage....

we do subsidize business's profit by allowing them to pay below poverty standards.

children under 18 are NOT the majority of workers making minimum wage.... working mothers and senior citizens is where the majority lies.

 

[Skull Pilot]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

So the employees have no option to get another job? Learn another skill?

If the market will only buy widgets at $5 do you really think all those people will still have a job when demand drops because widgets are now $20?

Why is it that you libbies have so little faith in people that you believe they can never improve their lot in life?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

WHAT IS A LIVING WAGE?

The idea behind a living wage is that people who work in our community should be able to live decently and raise their families here. This requires a wage and benefits package that takes into account the area-specific cost of living, as well as the basic expenses involved in supporting a family.


Although living wage standards do, by definition, vary by region, they are all considerably higher than the federal minimum wage. This is because the minimum wage does not begin to meet the needs of working people or families anywhere in the country: in fact, it puts a parent with one child below the federal poverty line. A living wage aims to correct this by establishing, at a local level, a more reasonable minimum wage. Like many municipal standards in place around the country....

The Living Wage Fact Sheet

1. The minimum wage isn't intended to support a family... it is more an entry level wage.
2. How do you explain the majority of people who don't require a living wage because they have skills/education, etc. that pays well?

Living wage is a bullshit concept.

not really....

especially when we end up paying for gvt assistance for those not earning a living wage....

we do subsidize business's profit by allowing them to pay below poverty standards.

children under 18 are NOT the majority of workers making minimum wage.... working mothers and senior citizens is where the majority lies.

Wrongo... over half according to the bureau of Labor Statistics are under 25. Not to mention, out of about 73,000,000 hourly workers, only 980,000 were at or below the minimum wage.

Again, living wage is just another weapon in the class envy, anti-capitalism war chest.

 

[DiamondDave]

WHAT IS A LIVING WAGE?

The idea behind a living wage is that people who work in our community should be able to live decently and raise their families here. This requires a wage and benefits package that takes into account the area-specific cost of living, as well as the basic expenses involved in supporting a family.


Although living wage standards do, by definition, vary by region, they are all considerably higher than the federal minimum wage. This is because the minimum wage does not begin to meet the needs of working people or families anywhere in the country: in fact, it puts a parent with one child below the federal poverty line. A living wage aims to correct this by establishing, at a local level, a more reasonable minimum wage. Like many municipal standards in place around the country....

The Living Wage Fact Sheet

1. The minimum wage isn't intended to support a family... it is more an entry level wage.
2. How do you explain the majority of people who don't require a living wage because they have skills/education, etc. that pays well?

Living wage is a bullshit concept.

not really....

especially when we end up paying for gvt assistance for those not earning a living wage....

we do subsidize business's profit by allowing them to pay below poverty standards.

children under 18 are NOT the majority of workers making minimum wage.... working mothers and senior citizens is where the majority lies.

And it's the problem on the person who is in their 20's or 30's or 40's or whatever if they are on minimum wage... as stated... you are not owed a comfortable living, nor should you be... any person, even taking a minimum wage job, with even a miniscule amount of effort can gain raises, advancement, etc.... and with your decisions, gumption, effort, etc it is YOU who can then show your value so that employers then see your worth to be more in demand and command more wages in income

If, as a working mom or dad or whatever, you have to work 2 minimum wage jobs because you are simply ignorant enough or lazy enough not to do anything to better yourself, THAT IS ON YOU... not on society... and if you have to live with grandmom or share an apartment or whatever else, SO BE IT.... your choices, your effort, your consequences

And government or society or whatever you wish to call it, should not owe you a 'subsidy' or 'entitlement' because of your situation... you have the freedom to fail that goes hand in hand with the freedom to succeed

 

[Bern80]

What happens when employers build Widgets and don't pay a wage their employees can support their families on?

The taxpayer steps in and subsidizes food, housing and healthcare for that family. Employer gets to profit off of cheap widgets.....taxpayers make up the difference

It isn't your employer's job to support your family. It's yours.