End The Occupation

Unless & until those Zionists in Israel end the occupation by finding a way to send the Palestinian squatters back to their native homelands, there will be no peace.

Who Are The Palestinians?* What And Where Is Palestine?

The British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration

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The British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration to Palestine was to be limited to 15,000 a year for the first five years, and would subsequently be contingent on Arab consent. Restrictions were also placed on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs. After this Ben-Gurion changed his policy towards the British, stating: "Peace in Palestine is not the best situation for thwarting the policy of the White Paper".[25] Ben-Gurion believed a peaceful solution with the Arabs had no chance and soon began preparing the Yishuv for war. According to Teveth 'through his campaign to mobilize the Yishuv in support of the British war effort, he strove to build the nucleus of a "Hebrew army", and his success in this endeavor later brought victory to Zionism in the struggle to establish a Jewish state.'[26]
During the Second World War, Ben-Gurion encouraged the Jewish population to volunteer for the British Army. He famously told Jews to "support the British as if there is no White Paper and oppose the White Paper as if there is no war".[27] About 10% of the Jewish population of Palestine volunteered for the British Army, including many women. At the same time Ben-Gurion assisted the illegal immigration of thousands of European Jewish refugees to Palestine during a period when the British placed heavy restrictions on Jewish immigration.
In 1946, Ben-Gurion agreed that the Haganah could cooperate with Menachem Begin's Irgun in fighting the British, who continued to restrict Jewish immigration. Ben-Gurion initially agreed to Begin's plan to carry out the 1946 King David Hotel bombing, with the intent of embarrassing (rather than killing) the British military stationed there. However, when the risks of mass killing became apparent, Ben-Gurion told Begin to call the operation off; Begin refused.[28]
Illegal Jewish migration led to pressure on the British to either allow Jewish migration (as required by the League of Nations Mandate) or quit – they did the latter in 1948, not changing their restrictions, on the heels of a United Nations resolution partitioning the territory between the Jews and Arabs.

David Ben-Gurion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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[MENTION=50023]Penelope[/MENTION]; MJB12741; et al,

From time to time, various factions have make hay over the 1939 British White Paper on Palestine. And while they often quote from it, they certain don't tell the end of the story. It is not a pretty story.

Unless & until those Zionists in Israel end the occupation by finding a way to send the Palestinian squatters back to their native homelands, there will be no peace.

Who Are The Palestinians?* What And Where Is Palestine?

The British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration to Palestine was to be limited to 15,000 a year for the first five years, and would subsequently be contingent on Arab consent. Restrictions were also placed on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs. After this Ben-Gurion changed his policy towards the British, stating: "Peace in Palestine is not the best situation for thwarting the policy of the White Paper".[25] Ben-Gurion believed a peaceful solution with the Arabs had no chance and soon began preparing the Yishuv for war. According to Teveth 'through his campaign to mobilize the Yishuv in support of the British war effort, he strove to build the nucleus of a "Hebrew army", and his success in this endeavor later brought victory to Zionism in the struggle to establish a Jewish state.'[26]
During the Second World War, Ben-Gurion encouraged the Jewish population to volunteer for the British Army. He famously told Jews to "support the British as if there is no White Paper and oppose the White Paper as if there is no war".[27] About 10% of the Jewish population of Palestine volunteered for the British Army, including many women. At the same time Ben-Gurion assisted the illegal immigration of thousands of European Jewish refugees to Palestine during a period when the British placed heavy restrictions on Jewish immigration.
In 1946, Ben-Gurion agreed that the Haganah could cooperate with Menachem Begin's Irgun in fighting the British, who continued to restrict Jewish immigration. Ben-Gurion initially agreed to Begin's plan to carry out the 1946 King David Hotel bombing, with the intent of embarrassing (rather than killing) the British military stationed there. However, when the risks of mass killing became apparent, Ben-Gurion told Begin to call the operation off; Begin refused.[28]
Illegal Jewish migration led to pressure on the British to either allow Jewish migration (as required by the League of Nations Mandate) or quit – they did the latter in 1948, not changing their restrictions, on the heels of a United Nations resolution partitioning the territory between the Jews and Arabs.

David Ben-Gurion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(COMMENT)

The British White Paper of 1939 [(AKA: Palestine Statement of Policy - UK Secretary of State for the Colonies - OR - "McDonald White Paper")(05/01/1939 Cmd. 6019 C.163.M.96 1939. VI.)] --- no matter how you interpret it, AND because of the controversies over it, was subsequently reviewed by the Permanent Mandates Commission (League of Nations) at their 36th session in June, 1939. (NOTE: Neither the Jewish people or the Arabs agreed with it; just as a side note.)

The Permanent Mandate Commission:

The Political History of Palestine under British Administration said:
110. The Mandatory’s new statement of policy was examined by the Permanent Mandates Commission at their thirty-sixth session in June, 1939. the commission reported that:

“the policy set out in the White Paper was not in accordance with the interpretation which, in agreement with the Mandatory Power and the Council, the Commission had always placed upon the Palestine Mandate.”​

They went on to consider whether the Mandate was open to a new interpretation with which the White Paper would not be at variance. Four of the seven members

“did not feel able to state that the policy of the White Paper was in conformity with the Mandate, any contrary conclusion appearing to them to be ruled out by the very terms of the Mandate and by the fundamental intentions of its authors.”​

The other three members “were unable to share this opinion; they consider that existing circumstances would justify the policy of the White Paper, provided the Council did not oppose it.”

SOURCES:

Having said that, the British Parliament had already approved it as Policy. It should be noted that the Parliament knew at the time that Germany had already started (in 1933) to establish Concentration Camps in Europe. The Jewish Population in Europe was approximately 9 million souls. By the end of the War, there were less than 3 million survivors. There is no question that during the period 1939 and 1945, Jewish immigration exceeded the arbitrary limit. They were running for their lives (literally).

At least in part, the intent of the original Allied Powers was to establish an enclave sufficient to preserve and protect the Jewish Culture. This enclave came to be known as the Jewish National Home. It goes without saying that there was absolutely no honor or chivalry in supporting the tenants of the British 1939 White Paper, either now or then. What moral high ground can be claimed by such - when - at the very time the Jewish People needed protection the most, the Arab Palestinian and the British Mandatory denied it to them. The members of the Permanent Mandate Commission knew it then and that is why every last one of them abstained from approving it. But more importantly, the sever consequences of obstructing immigration then still resonates on today.

I think, etched in the soul of the Holocaust Survivors, and their descendants, is the understanding of the value of life. Something I think goes totally unappreciated by the Hostile Arab-Palestinian.

Remember the Arab Solemn Oath:

Letter: Addressed to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh said:
13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:


(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

When someone asks me about the honor, integrity, moral values, and chivalry of the Arab-Palestinian ---- when someone addresses the issue of apartheid and ethnic cleansing, ---- my thoughts go back to these few words: "wipe them out — man, woman and child."

Immigration? A small matter in the long run. Old news, very old news. What is new? Nothing! The Arab-Palestinian is just as dishonorable and violent prone today as it was during the time of the Black Hand and the martyr Izz ad-din al-Qassam; namesake of the al-Qassam Brigade.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
[MENTION=50023]Penelope[/MENTION]; MJB12741; et al,

From time to time, various factions have make hay over the 1939 British White Paper on Palestine. And while they often quote from it, they certain don't tell the end of the story. It is not a pretty story.

Unless & until those Zionists in Israel end the occupation by finding a way to send the Palestinian squatters back to their native homelands, there will be no peace.

Who Are The Palestinians?* What And Where Is Palestine?

The British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The British 1939 White paper stipulated that Jewish immigration to Palestine was to be limited to 15,000 a year for the first five years, and would subsequently be contingent on Arab consent. Restrictions were also placed on the rights of Jews to buy land from Arabs. After this Ben-Gurion changed his policy towards the British, stating: "Peace in Palestine is not the best situation for thwarting the policy of the White Paper".[25] Ben-Gurion believed a peaceful solution with the Arabs had no chance and soon began preparing the Yishuv for war. According to Teveth 'through his campaign to mobilize the Yishuv in support of the British war effort, he strove to build the nucleus of a "Hebrew army", and his success in this endeavor later brought victory to Zionism in the struggle to establish a Jewish state.'[26]
During the Second World War, Ben-Gurion encouraged the Jewish population to volunteer for the British Army. He famously told Jews to "support the British as if there is no White Paper and oppose the White Paper as if there is no war".[27] About 10% of the Jewish population of Palestine volunteered for the British Army, including many women. At the same time Ben-Gurion assisted the illegal immigration of thousands of European Jewish refugees to Palestine during a period when the British placed heavy restrictions on Jewish immigration.
In 1946, Ben-Gurion agreed that the Haganah could cooperate with Menachem Begin's Irgun in fighting the British, who continued to restrict Jewish immigration. Ben-Gurion initially agreed to Begin's plan to carry out the 1946 King David Hotel bombing, with the intent of embarrassing (rather than killing) the British military stationed there. However, when the risks of mass killing became apparent, Ben-Gurion told Begin to call the operation off; Begin refused.[28]
Illegal Jewish migration led to pressure on the British to either allow Jewish migration (as required by the League of Nations Mandate) or quit – they did the latter in 1948, not changing their restrictions, on the heels of a United Nations resolution partitioning the territory between the Jews and Arabs.

David Ben-Gurion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(COMMENT)

The British White Paper of 1939 [(AKA: Palestine Statement of Policy - UK Secretary of State for the Colonies - OR - "McDonald White Paper")(05/01/1939 Cmd. 6019 C.163.M.96 1939. VI.)] --- no matter how you interpret it, AND because of the controversies over it, was subsequently reviewed by the Permanent Mandates Commission (League of Nations) at their 36th session in June, 1939. (NOTE: Neither the Jewish people or the Arabs agreed with it; just as a side note.)

The Permanent Mandate Commission:

The Political History of Palestine under British Administration said:
110. The Mandatory’s new statement of policy was examined by the Permanent Mandates Commission at their thirty-sixth session in June, 1939. the commission reported that:

“the policy set out in the White Paper was not in accordance with the interpretation which, in agreement with the Mandatory Power and the Council, the Commission had always placed upon the Palestine Mandate.”​

They went on to consider whether the Mandate was open to a new interpretation with which the White Paper would not be at variance. Four of the seven members

“did not feel able to state that the policy of the White Paper was in conformity with the Mandate, any contrary conclusion appearing to them to be ruled out by the very terms of the Mandate and by the fundamental intentions of its authors.”​

The other three members “were unable to share this opinion; they consider that existing circumstances would justify the policy of the White Paper, provided the Council did not oppose it.”

SOURCES:

Having said that, the British Parliament had already approved it as Policy. It should be noted that the Parliament knew at the time that Germany had already started (in 1933) to establish Concentration Camps in Europe. The Jewish Population in Europe was approximately 9 million souls. By the end of the War, there were less than 3 million survivors. There is no question that during the period 1939 and 1945, Jewish immigration exceeded the arbitrary limit. They were running for their lives (literally).

At least in part, the intent of the original Allied Powers was to establish an enclave sufficient to preserve and protect the Jewish Culture. This enclave came to be known as the Jewish National Home. It goes without saying that there was absolutely no honor or chivalry in supporting the tenants of the British 1939 White Paper, either now or then. What moral high ground can be claimed by such - when - at the very time the Jewish People needed protection the most, the Arab Palestinian and the British Mandatory denied it to them. The members of the Permanent Mandate Commission knew it then and that is why every last one of them abstained from approving it. But more importantly, the sever consequences of obstructing immigration then still resonates on today.

I think, etched in the soul of the Holocaust Survivors, and their descendants, is the understanding of the value of life. Something I think goes totally unappreciated by the Hostile Arab-Palestinian.

Remember the Arab Solemn Oath:

Letter: Addressed to the Secretary-General by Mr. Isa Nakhleh said:
13. In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:


(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

SOURCE: A/AC.21/10 16 February 1948

When someone asks me about the honor, integrity, moral values, and chivalry of the Arab-Palestinian ---- when someone addresses the issue of apartheid and ethnic cleansing, ---- my thoughts go back to these few words: "wipe them out — man, woman and child."

Immigration? A small matter in the long run. Old news, very old news. What is new? Nothing! The Arab-Palestinian is just as dishonorable and violent prone today as it was during the time of the Black Hand and the martyr Izz ad-din al-Qassam; namesake of the al-Qassam Brigade.

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Most Respectfully,
R

Well thank you for an honest opinion and I respect it. I really don't know what the answer is, as Bibl is rejecting a two state option, and we do not know the deal the Egyptian Pres made with Israel, obviously not in agreement with hamas.

The arabs were right as it has to come to pass:

10. The Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to reaffirm here that the Arabs of Palestine cannot recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom. They consider that imposing international alien immigrants on their country by force is nothing but an act of aggression and invasion, whether made by Jews themselves, through Great Britain, or by the United Nations. The Arab Higher Committee Delegation therefore expects that the duty of the United Nations is to remove the said aggression and stop that invasion. The creation of any Jewish state in an Arab territory is more than invasion or aggression, it is something with no precedent in history. It is en act of wiping out the existence of an Arab country, violating its integrity, subjecting its land and people to foreign Jewish domination. “

11. In its statement to the Ad Hoc Committee on the 29th of September, our Delegation left no doubt on the Arab reactions: “The Arabs of Palestine are, therefore, solidly determined to oppose, with all the means at their disposal, any scheme that provides for the dissection, segregation or partition of their tiny Country, or that gives to a minority, on the ground of creed, special and preferential rights or status. They will oppose such schemes, with the same zeal and with the same sacrifice that any other people would do under the same circumstances. We are alive to the fact that if they so desire, big powers could crush, by brute force, such opposition. But this realisation will not deter us from drenching the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood in the lawful defense of all and every inch of it.” These solemn words were dismissed by the Zionists and the powers supporting them as idle threats. The events in Palestine since the end of November are only the beginning of this tragedy. Already over 1000 persons have been killed and over 2000 injured.

12. The Zionists and their friends are building a smoke screen of propaganda to convince the world that if the partition plan is not implemented by force the prestige of the United Nations is at stake. Secret maneuvers are being carried out to lead the Security Council to send an international force to Palestine to crush Arab resistance. Our Delegation solemnly declares that it is the unflinching determination of every Arab in Palestine to defend his country against any power or group of powers or any force going to Palestine to partition the country. The Arabs are in duty and honour bound to defend their country to the last man. The presumed mission of an international force which is to be sent to Palestine can only be to wipe out the Arabs, blow up their dwellings and uproot them from their land.

That is really no different than Israel wanting the land now is it. I understand the Jews had no where to go, but no one wanted them either, the US nor Britain. The Jews took over as soon as they arrived, by bombing King David Hotel. I has been nothing but fighting since day one. The division of the land didn't help.
 

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