East Jerusalem Arab Survey - "Shocker" Most Perfer To Remain Israeli!

[daveman]

In addition to the social benefits, those who chose Israeli citizenship most often mentioned freedom of movement in Israel, higher income and better job opportunities. Those who chose Palestinian citizenship overwhelmingly cited nationalism and patriotic reasons as their primary motivation.

anyone who's actually been there knows that.... which is why the armchair terrorist supporters haven't a clue.

arabs have more rights in israel than they do in arab countries.

The armchair terrorist supporters don't give a damn about Arabs' rights. They just want them to be walking artillery rounds.

 

[Kalam]

Because you again chose to ignore the truth. The Camp David Accords the Palestinians were offered 95% of what they wanted (including East Jerusalem), it was sweeten to 98%, and it still wasn't good enough. They answered with an intifada!

On what credible information do you base these figures?

 

[Kalam]

Mexico never made a habit of lobbying thousands upon thousands of missles across the border.

Killing how many people?

 

[Kalam]

So yes, I choose to not bore you any longer. But keep in mind that you might look at taking responsibility for telling me that my words in discussion with you served to do no more than bore you.

That is if you want the discussion to continue. If you didn't want it to continue, then you have learned what serves to have me bow out.

And we are Western educated. If we can't discuss, what chances are available on the ground there?

I'm not going to tiptoe around the many words and phrases that seem to offend you. Good day.

 

[Ropey]

So yes, I choose to not bore you any longer. But keep in mind that you might look at taking responsibility for telling me that my words in discussion with you served to do no more than bore you.

That is if you want the discussion to continue. If you didn't want it to continue, then you have learned what serves to have me bow out.

And we are Western educated. If we can't discuss, what chances are available on the ground there?

I'm not going to tiptoe around the many words and phrases that seem to offend you. Good day.

What do you think of a purposeful yawn in the middle of discussion? When the one looks right at you, begins and completes the yawn looking at you. When he does it to let you know it is on purpose?

And you want to know what I think? I told you before that I valued what you say. I told that you that I believe you to be honest.

You yawn back at me? Can't you at least afford me back the civility I afford you? Your book says you must.

Then wonder why I am offended?

 

[Kalam]

What do you think of a purposeful yawn in the middle of discussion. When the one looks right at you begins and completes the yawn looking at you. When he does it to let you know it is on purpose?

And you want to know what I think? I told you before that I valued what you say. I told that you that I believe you to be honest.

You yawn back at me? Can't you at least afford me back the civility I afford you? Your book says you must.

Then wonder why I am offended?

Civil? Yes, you're civil, but your civility belies certain beliefs of yours regarding my religion and its followers that haven't escaped my notice.

If I ended a discussion every time somebody said or did something that didn't sit well with me (attempting to tell me what 'my book' requires of me, for instance), there would be no point in me posting here.

 

[Ropey]

attempting to tell me what 'my book' requires of me, for instance

Does your book tell you that you must extend the civility of an unbeliever if that unbeliever extends it first?

Or not Kalam?

And if I am wrong, simply correct me. It's your book Kalam. That's why I said I believe you to be honest. If I am wrong in what I think and have already said that I am asking and you granting. Well?

If I observe all that and yet you still yawn at my views?

What am I missing here?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The situation in the Palestinian territories sounds terrible but how are they going to get anything going over there if the Palestinians prefer to live in Israel over their own territories? this whole things reminds me of how all the Mexicans prefer to come here to work because the job ops in Mexico are so shitty, if they keep doing that nothing will fix Mexico, same with the Palestinians.

Yes, but we never made a habit of shelling Mexico City.

Mexico never made a habit of lobbying thousands upon thousands of missles across the border. Mexico hasn't sent suicide bomber to blow up pizzerias.

The one time Mexico did a cross border attack was when Pancho Villa saced a city in America. We responded by invading the country.

I guarantee if Mexican started lobbying missiles over the border daily, we would invade them!

The Palestinians never lobbed missiles over the border.

 

[Kalam]

Does your book tell you that you must extend the civility of an unbeliever if that unbeliever extends it first?

Or not Kalam?

And if I am wrong, simply correct me. It's your book Kalam. That's why I said I believe you to be honest. If I am wrong in what I think and have already said that I am asking and you granting. Well?

You missed the point. I mentioned something that irritates me and pointed out that I didn't feel the need to end the discussion over it as you sometimes do over things that irritate or offend you.

If I observe all that and yet you still yawn at my views?

What am I missing here?

You've expressed hostility toward my religion and your views concerning the conflict in Palestine seem to be based entirely on crude stereotypes. Yet I respond to you just as I'm generally willing to respond to those who are both remarkably less intelligent and less civil than you (Ghook, Mr. Fitnah, etc.)

But you're thin-skinned and often choose to focus on the tone of a person's post (as you perceive it) rather than its intellectual content.

 

[Ropey]

Does your book tell you that you must extend the civility of an unbeliever if that unbeliever extends it first?

Or not Kalam?

And if I am wrong, simply correct me. It's your book Kalam. That's why I said I believe you to be honest. If I am wrong in what I think and have already said that I am asking and you granting. Well?

You missed the point. I mentioned something that irritates me and pointed out that I didn't feel the need to end the discussion over it as you sometimes do over things that irritate or offend you.

No, that's a secondary point Kalam. You don't miss my point. You bypass it. At least this time without a yawn to devalue my quoted words.

Thank you.

If I observe all that and yet you still yawn at my views?

What am I missing here?

You've expressed hostility toward my religion and your views concerning the conflict in Palestine seem to be based entirely on crude stereotypes. Yet I respond to you just as I'm generally willing to respond to those who are both remarkably less intelligent and less civil than you (Ghook, Mr. Fitnah, etc.)

Because my cause is not on the side of your cause? I see.

But you're thin-skinned and often choose to focus on the tone of a person's post (as you perceive it) rather than its intellectual content.

This is true. I am used to giving and receiving respect in accordance with my beliefs. I can see that this kind of thing is divergent as well.

At least with you and I. Well, I will learn and gain a thicker skin. I had expected you to respond as I have with other true believers with which I have discussed.

I ask you a question about your belief. I tell you that I request and you grant. I tell you that I believe you to be honest. This is how I have learned to open conversation with a true believer. Not all at once, but in conversations.

So I had expectations of a good civil discussion with you. My mistake, I see.

Excuse me.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Would that be living in Palestine with Israel or without?

 

[Kalam]

No, that's a secondary point Kalam. You don't miss my point. You bypass it. At least this time without a yawn to devalue my quoted words.

Thank you.

You're welcome?

Because my cause is not on the side of your cause? I see.

What does that have to do with anything?

Is anybody here really on my "side" apart from two or three other posters?

This is true. I am used to giving and receiving respect in accordance with my beliefs. I can see that this kind of thing is divergent as well.

At least with you and I. Well, I will learn and gain a thicker skin. I had expected you to respond as I have with other true believers with which I have discussed.

I ask you a question about your belief. I tell you that I request and you grant. I tell you that I believe you to be honest. This is how I have learned to open conversation with a true believer. Not all at once, but in conversations.

So I had expectations of a good civil discussion with you. My mistake, I see.

Excuse me.

Sorry the discussion didn't live up to your standards. You know, I'm thoroughly disappointed by some of your posts as well. But when that happens it isn't because you say something that offends me because a good point buried under insults is still a good point.

 

[Ropey]

Oh, I read your points Kalam, I just end my discussion when I think it is being abused. As I said, I had just not expected it after putting forth my view about you. I can accept your yawns and worse. But I had expected more after opening that understanding with you. You asked me and I told you.

You couldn't even tell me if I was correct or not with regards to opening respectful conversation with a true believer when one is a non believer. In the same way as a greeting is performed when an unbeliever makes the first opening gesture.

Anyway, this is going nowhere. Let's both just end it Kalam.

 

[mdn2000]

The only place Arabs found a decent home was in Palestine, which at the time the Arabs began their massive immigration, the late 1800's and early 1900's, Palestine at this time was being rebuilt, the place was a complete mess, literally destroyed, the Arabs found hospitality and security working with Christians and Jews, the Arabs brought their children to Palestine to be cured of disease by Christians and Jews.

Arabs know its with Jews and Christians that they can live in peace and happiness.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The only place Arabs found a decent home was in Palestine, which at the time the Arabs began their massive immigration, the late 1800's and early 1900's, Palestine at this time was being rebuilt, the place was a complete mess, literally destroyed, the Arabs found hospitality and security working with Christians and Jews, the Arabs brought their children to Palestine to be cured of disease by Christians and Jews.

Arabs know its with Jews and Christians that they can live in peace and happiness.

Palestine was a nice place until the British occupation and the imposition of Israel. It has been crap ever since.

 

[GHook93]

The only place Arabs found a decent home was in Palestine, which at the time the Arabs began their massive immigration, the late 1800's and early 1900's, Palestine at this time was being rebuilt, the place was a complete mess, literally destroyed, the Arabs found hospitality and security working with Christians and Jews, the Arabs brought their children to Palestine to be cured of disease by Christians and Jews.

Arabs know its with Jews and Christians that they can live in peace and happiness.

Not entirely true. The Arabs did pretty good in Lebanon, when they had a Christian majority, until the Muslims started a civil war, being overrun by Moosslim radicals and the country has never recovered since.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The only place Arabs found a decent home was in Palestine, which at the time the Arabs began their massive immigration, the late 1800's and early 1900's, Palestine at this time was being rebuilt, the place was a complete mess, literally destroyed, the Arabs found hospitality and security working with Christians and Jews, the Arabs brought their children to Palestine to be cured of disease by Christians and Jews.

Arabs know its with Jews and Christians that they can live in peace and happiness.

Not entirely true. The Arabs did pretty good in Lebanon, when they had a Christian majority, until the Muslims started a civil war, being overrun by Moosslim radicals and the country has never recovered since.

Israel tried to set up a Christian puppet government in Lebanon. That did not work well. Also Israel drove all those Palestinians into Lebanon. That did not work well either.

What would Lebanon be like without Israel?

 

[docmauser1]

Israel tried to set up a Christian puppet government in Lebanon.

Of course, not. Madrasa's full of lies as always.

That did not work well.

Two assassins, belonging to the National Syrian Socialist Party, blew Jemayel up.

Also Israel drove all those Palestinians into Lebanon.

After the Black September the jordanian king butt-kicked the palistanian liberation organization (PLO) and all its brat from Jordan, they ran to Lebanon and promptly turned it into a pile of dung, as is their occupation.

That did not work well either.

Poor lebanese, indeed. King Hussein should've finished the job.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel tried to set up a Christian puppet government in Lebanon.

Of course, not. Madrasa's full of lies as always.

That did not work well.

Two assassins, belonging to the National Syrian Socialist Party, blew Jemayel up.

Also Israel drove all those Palestinians into Lebanon.

After the Black September the jordanian king butt-kicked the palistanian liberation organization (PLO) and all its brat from Jordan, they ran to Lebanon and promptly turned it into a pile of dung, as is their occupation.

That did not work well either.

Poor lebanese, indeed. King Hussein should've finished the job.

Yeah, maybe some of that too.

 

[GHook93]

Yes, but we never made a habit of shelling Mexico City.

Mexico never made a habit of lobbying thousands upon thousands of missles across the border. Mexico hasn't sent suicide bomber to blow up pizzerias.

The one time Mexico did a cross border attack was when Pancho Villa saced a city in America. We responded by invading the country.

I guarantee if Mexican started lobbying missiles over the border daily, we would invade them!

The Palestinians never lobbed missiles over the border.

LOL, your dishonesty has no bounds! How can anyone have any conversation with a dishonest piece of garbage like you!