Does This PISS You Off (3)?

[geauxtohell]

Well to be fair, at one time that tab was special, now just about anyone can go to Benning and get their Ranger on.

I don't know if I agree with that. The hystorical attrition rate remains above 50% (which includes recycles) and first time goes is still around 20%. I don't think the standards have really changed (minus the insane shit Charlie Beckwith used to do to Ranger Students in the late 60's. "Congratulations, you finished Florida. Now if you make the 18 mile march back to camp with all your gear, you'll graduate." Then he would make the people who didn't graduate serve steaks to the graduates. Plan up sadistic. No wonder he went on to start Delta). It's the best tactics and leadership course in the conventional Army.

Now if you wear this, which I do not, you are 3l1t3.

I've got the 25th ID patch. Short of getting it for jumping into Normandy, what makes the 101st Patch anymore elite than any other division patch?

 

[ConHog]

Well to be fair, at one time that tab was special, now just about anyone can go to Benning and get their Ranger on.

I don't know if I agree with that. The hystorical attrition rate remains above 50% (which includes recycles) and first time goes is still around 20%. I don't think the standards have really changed (minus the insane shit Charlie Beckwith used to do to Ranger Students in the late 60's. "Congratulations, you finished Florida. Now if you make the 18 mile march back to camp with all your gear, you'll graduate." Then he would make the people who didn't graduate serve steaks to the graduates. Plan up sadistic. No wonder he went on to start Delta). It's the best tactics and leadership course in the conventional Army.

Now if you wear this, which I do not, you are 3l1t3.

I've got the 25th ID patch. Short of getting it for jumping into Normandy, what makes the 101st Patch anymore elite than any other division patch?

Exactly what you mentioned, historical context, and there is a general belief that only the ELITE of the elite make it into either the 82nd or the 101. Is it true? Honestly in my experience , yes.

 

[geauxtohell]

Exactly what you mentioned, historical context, and there is a general belief that only the ELITE of the elite make it into either the 82nd or the 101. Is it true? Honestly in my experience , yes.

IMO, no. The 101st and 82nd are good units, but the days of dropping divisions by parachute (as a real necessity, not glamor jumps into Iraq) are long gone. Now I think they are like most other divisions. They have their good units and bad. Though, I just spent time in the 25th ID.

I think the only Infantry unit that can really claim that they are "elite" is the 75th Ranger Regiment.

 

[ConHog]

Exactly what you mentioned, historical context, and there is a general belief that only the ELITE of the elite make it into either the 82nd or the 101. Is it true? Honestly in my experience , yes.

IMO, no. The 101st and 82nd are good units, but the days of dropping divisions by parachute (as a real necessity, not glamor jumps into Iraq) are long gone. Now I think they are like most other divisions. They have their good units and bad. Though, I just spent time in the 25th ID.

I think the only Infantry unit that can really claim that they are "elite" is the 75th Ranger Regiment.

Fair enough. I mean it's not like there would be a **** hairs difference anyway. Airborne is airborne.

You're missing a good argument in another thread where Sangha is trying to classify dying in a car accident while in uniform as making the ultimate sacrifice.. Oh, and calling me a fake soldier.

 

[geauxtohell]

Exactly what you mentioned, historical context, and there is a general belief that only the ELITE of the elite make it into either the 82nd or the 101. Is it true? Honestly in my experience , yes.

IMO, no. The 101st and 82nd are good units, but the days of dropping divisions by parachute (as a real necessity, not glamor jumps into Iraq) are long gone. Now I think they are like most other divisions. They have their good units and bad. Though, I just spent time in the 25th ID.

I think the only Infantry unit that can really claim that they are "elite" is the 75th Ranger Regiment.

Fair enough. I mean it's not like there would be a **** hairs difference anyway. Airborne is airborne.

You're missing a good argument in another thread where Sangha is trying to classify dying in a car accident while in uniform as making the ultimate sacrifice.. Oh, and calling me a fake soldier.

Where? It really annoys me when people dog on soldiers for political reasons.

 

[ConHog]

IMO, no. The 101st and 82nd are good units, but the days of dropping divisions by parachute (as a real necessity, not glamor jumps into Iraq) are long gone. Now I think they are like most other divisions. They have their good units and bad. Though, I just spent time in the 25th ID.

I think the only Infantry unit that can really claim that they are "elite" is the 75th Ranger Regiment.

Fair enough. I mean it's not like there would be a **** hairs difference anyway. Airborne is airborne.

You're missing a good argument in another thread where Sangha is trying to classify dying in a car accident while in uniform as making the ultimate sacrifice.. Oh, and calling me a fake soldier.

Where? It really annoys me when people dog on soldiers for political reasons.

I think it's cute. Sangha has proven that s/he brings NOTHING to any conversation but insults and stupidity.

You're the one who said soldiers in non-combat positions who die while serving the nation make a lesser sacrifice than combat soldiers who are killed in combat. I would never disparage the death of any soldier who died while serving the nation.

You're an idiot. There isn't a solider alive who wouldn't agree that a US soldier killed in combat is due more honors than one killed in say a car accident.

And there isn't a soldier alive who wouldn't agree that a soldier who dies while providing support to combat soldiers has made as great a sacrifice as the soldier who dies in combat

Only fake soldiers like you would do that.

You're doubly an idiot for not understanding that a soldier can be killed in combat outside a combat zone.

You're the one who said such soldiers have not made as great a sacrifice as the soldier who dies in combat.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/120401-the-anarchist-vs-the-cop-2.html

 

[sangha]

IMO, no. The 101st and 82nd are good units, but the days of dropping divisions by parachute (as a real necessity, not glamor jumps into Iraq) are long gone. Now I think they are like most other divisions. They have their good units and bad. Though, I just spent time in the 25th ID.

I think the only Infantry unit that can really claim that they are "elite" is the 75th Ranger Regiment.

Fair enough. I mean it's not like there would be a **** hairs difference anyway. Airborne is airborne.

You're missing a good argument in another thread where Sangha is trying to classify dying in a car accident while in uniform as making the ultimate sacrifice.. Oh, and calling me a fake soldier.

Where? It really annoys me when people dog on soldiers for political reasons.

Actually, if you read the thread, you'll that conjob is the only one mentioning car accidents. I didn't mention them once.

But conjob is arguing that a soldier who dies while providing support to combat soldiers from a US base are not making "the ultimate sacrifice"

He also calls members of the military who aren't in a combat zone "weenies"

 

[SFC Ollie]

Wow this thread is everywhere all of a sudden.

The terrorist wannabe bastard is still on active duty and I would love to be there when the judge tells him to take off his rank and throw it in the nearest trash can. He will be reduced to the lowest enlisted rank and denied all pay and benefits before he is executed.

As far as uniforms, Dress Blues are nice, I had no problem with Greens, But I thought the best Class B was the old Khakis. Pissed me off when they did away with them.

 

[ConHog]

Wow this thread is everywhere all of a sudden.

The terrorist wannabe bastard is still on active duty and I would love to be there when the judge tells him to take off his rank and throw it in the nearest trash can. He will be reduced to the lowest enlisted rank and denied all pay and benefits before he is executed.

As far as uniforms, Dress Blues are nice, I had no problem with Greens, But I thought the best Class B was the old Khakis. Pissed me off when they did away with them.

Damn, you're an old school NCO if you remember the khakis LOL. I'm just an officer, I do what people like you tell me to (cuz I may be an officer, but I'm a smart officer )

 

[mudwhistle]

Surely he's been dishonorably discharged from the Army by now, or are they still afraid of offending Muslims?

I'm not sure what torturing him would achieve but I see no reason to delay his 'speedy' trial and, once he is deemed guilty, fucking fry his ass. No 'revenge', no hysterical ranting, just an ordinary death sentence for another murdering bastard.

He has to wear his uniform till convicted...then he'll get busted to Private and sent to Leavenworth.

 

[geauxtohell]

Fair enough. I mean it's not like there would be a **** hairs difference anyway. Airborne is airborne.

You're missing a good argument in another thread where Sangha is trying to classify dying in a car accident while in uniform as making the ultimate sacrifice.. Oh, and calling me a fake soldier.

Where? It really annoys me when people dog on soldiers for political reasons.

Actually, if you read the thread, you'll that conjob is the only one mentioning car accidents. I didn't mention them once.

But conjob is arguing that a soldier who dies while providing support to combat soldiers from a US base are not making "the ultimate sacrifice"

He also calls members of the military who aren't in a combat zone "weenies"

I can't even figure out what in the hell you guys are talking about to be honest. It seems like a multi-thread spat and I never try and wade through those.

But I hate the term "fake soldiers". Come on. We can do better than that.

It's like a person who has never served telling a service member they should get out of the Army b/c they disagree with their politics.

As for the ultimate sacrifice, what does it matter? Dead is dead. I don't think dying in the states in a non-combat related incident is the same as dying in combat. I mean one person get's a purple heart, but they both get buried.

I would reserve the term "weenies" for soldiers who have actively gamed the system to avoid combat, and everyone in the Army knows they exist (in far greater numbers than the Army would like to admit). I respect the Marine Corps for the "Ever Marine In The Fight" mentality. There are soldiers that have been camping out in Tradoc for years now and everyone knows why.

I mean, we've been at war for 8 years now, that means that few, if any soldiers, can say they were unable to deploy due to having other obligations/duties. I mean, we basically switch jobs (at least) every three years, right?

Obviously there are exceptions, but I don't think anyone would deny that there are people who are using the Army as their retirement plan and have no interest in the business end of what they are paid to do.

That's annoying. Especially when combat veterans are getting recalled off the IRR.

So I would reserve the term "weenie" for people like that. If simply not being in combat means you are a weenie, then we have all been weenies at some point in our careers.


*I am no longer in the Army so when I speak in present tense, I don't mean to imply I am.

 

[ConHog]

Surely he's been dishonorably discharged from the Army by now, or are they still afraid of offending Muslims?

I'm not sure what torturing him would achieve but I see no reason to delay his 'speedy' trial and, once he is deemed guilty, fucking fry his ass. No 'revenge', no hysterical ranting, just an ordinary death sentence for another murdering bastard.

He has to wear his uniform till convicted...then he'll get busted to Private and sent to Leavenworth.

Or taken out back and shot, if we're lucky.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the service of anyone who honorably wears the uniform during war. It doesn't matter if they are in a war zone or not.

 

[ConHog]

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the service of anyone who honorably wears the uniform during war. It doesn't matter if they are in a war zone or not.

No of course it doesn't

 

[geauxtohell]

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the service of anyone who honorably wears the uniform during war. It doesn't matter if they are in a war zone or not.

No of course it doesn't

This all speaks to my entirely scientific "REMF Theory":

It goes like this: "REMF is a relative term."

To the guy on OP, the RTO is a REMF. To the RTO, the guys in the Battalion TOC are REMFs. To the guys in the battalion TOC the guys up at Brigade are REMFs and so on and so on.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the service of anyone who honorably wears the uniform during war. It doesn't matter if they are in a war zone or not.

No of course it doesn't

This all speaks to my entirely scientific "REMF Theory":

It goes like this: "REMF is a relative term."

To the guy on OP, the RTO is a REMF. To the RTO, the guys in the Battalion TOC are REMFs. To the guys in the battalion TOC the guys up at Brigade are REMFs and so on and so on.

That works.

 

[ConHog]

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the service of anyone who honorably wears the uniform during war. It doesn't matter if they are in a war zone or not.

No of course it doesn't

This all speaks to my entirely scientific "REMF Theory":

It goes like this: "REMF is a relative term."

To the guy on OP, the RTO is a REMF. To the RTO, the guys in the Battalion TOC are REMFs. To the guys in the battalion TOC the guys up at Brigade are REMFs and so on and so on.

oohah

 

[sangha]

Where? It really annoys me when people dog on soldiers for political reasons.

Actually, if you read the thread, you'll that conjob is the only one mentioning car accidents. I didn't mention them once.

But conjob is arguing that a soldier who dies while providing support to combat soldiers from a US base are not making "the ultimate sacrifice"

He also calls members of the military who aren't in a combat zone "weenies"

I can't even figure out what in the hell you guys are talking about to be honest. It seems like a multi-thread spat and I never try and wade through those.

Yes, conjob is obsessed with me, and dragging his issues through multiple threads. He is even attacking me in threads I've never posted in.

It began when I dissed him, and he tried to misportray my words as disrespecting ALL servicemembers. He got so heated, that he claimed that some soldiers deaths were a lesser sacrifice than others.

But I hate the term "fake soldiers". Come on. We can do better than that.

What term do you think should be used for people who lie about serving in the military on the internet?

As for the ultimate sacrifice, what does it matter? Dead is dead. I don't think dying in the states in a non-combat related incident is the same as dying in combat. I mean one person get's a purple heart, but they both get buried.

I agree. conjob disagrees

I would reserve the term "weenies" for soldiers who have actively gamed the system to avoid combat, and everyone in the Army knows they exist (in far greater numbers than the Army would like to admit). I respect the Marine Corps for the "Ever Marine In The Fight" mentality. There are soldiers that have been camping out in Tradoc for years now and everyone knows why.

Again, I agree. It's conjob who is disrespecting service members who risk their lives in service to this nation

*I am no longer in the Army so when I speak in present tense, I don't mean to imply I am.

Thank you for your service.

 

[rdean]

headline.....

"Fort Hood killer wins delay in court"

(slow down- that headlne is already starting to piss me off)..continue..

"Wearing his Army uniform and sitting solemnly in a wheelchair, the
psychiatrist who gunned down 13 people at Fort Hood made his first
courtroom appearance yesterday and was granted a delay in his case."

(NOW I AM PISSED. Why is this POS allowed to wear the uniform of our
army that he killed 13 members of? charged with 13 murders and 32
attempted murders and he can wear U S army fatigues???? This is INSANE

Don't give me that crap about innocent til proven guilty. That only pertains to
the jury.No one else. There were witnesses---)......continue



"His attorneys sought a delay in his Article 32 hearing because they
needed more time to review reams of documents they recently received
and still lacked other key documents, including the FBI ballistics
report and a government review of the Nov. 5 shootings."


Reams of documents??? Why- there were witnesses- shoot the bastard tomorrow morning.
FBI??????? get them out of it. Let the army shoot him tomorrow, but let's prep him
for the event-

Tonight- superglue his eyelids open. Tie his hands behind his back. Put his head in
a vice facing the wall.All night long play hot sexy naked women in porno movies on his
wall in sensaround.

Tomorrow- have 7 nude women shoot his ass starting from the feet and moving up.

If we need to keep him alive to get information, let's be sure to do it right.
Starve him.Keep showing the videos on the wall. Show him what it will be like for him
as time goes on. Show him what americans are willing to do to other americans
in the name of what's right. This civil war photo might help

Read more: Accused Fort Hood gunman wins delay in case - NYPOST.com

He's wearing the uniform because of regulations from my understanding. Let em drag it out a little before they shoot the asshole.

Absolutely. He is in the military and will be subject to "military justice". He may not want to wear the uniform, but it isn't his choice.

 

[ConHog]

He also calls members of the military who aren't in a combat zone "weenies"

I would reserve the term "weenies" for soldiers who have actively gamed the system to avoid combat, and everyone in the Army knows they exist (in far greater numbers than the Army would like to admit). I respect the Marine Corps for the "Ever Marine In The Fight" mentality. There are soldiers that have been camping out in Tradoc for years now and everyone knows why.

.

Actually, Intel weenie is just military slang, it is not any more disrespectful than calling an infantryman a grunt, just for example, and it certainly doesn't even apply to everyone who is not serving in a combat zone; but as per usual with you you chopped a quote in half to try to get it to read whatever you wanted it to read.

Not my fault you're a soft, stupid civilian who doesn't understand that.