paulitician
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Man, Socialists/Progressives really are addicted to spending other peoples' money. How sad.
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Amtrak is:
What could possibly go wrong? Plenty.
- Government owned and controlled
- Union-operated, employing more than 20,000 workers
- Has a CEO appointed by the president of the United States
- Its annual budget is allocated allocated by Congress.
Let’s start with money. Amtrak loses bucketloads of money every day. The national rail system operates in the red, generating huge losses and has done so each and every year of its existence. And they are not shy about it. From the Amtrak website;In FY 2010, Amtrak earned approximately $2.51 billion in revenue and incurred approximately $3.74 billion in expense.That’s over $1.2 billion in losses for the most recent year, putting the overall tab for this antiquated, bloated and inefficient system around $50 billion dollars of taxpayer money.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/amtrak-turns-40-called-a-massive-failure-by-its-founder/
California High-Speed Rail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
California High-Speed Rail
Since high-speed trains based on fossil-fuel electricity generation use one-third the energy of airplanes per person and a fifth of that used by cars with one person,[21] California High-Speed Rail will eliminate 12 billion pounds (5.5 million tonnes) of greenhouse gas emissions each year by reducing passenger car and airplane use. This is the equivalent of removing more than one million vehicles from the state's roads and freeways. It will lessen California's dependence on foreign oil by up to 12.7 million barrels per year.
The CHSRA projects that the Los Angeles-San Francisco route will generate a net operating revenues of US$2.23 billion by 2023,[4] consistent with the experience of other high-speed intercity operations around the world.[19] Even Amtrak's semi-high-speed Acela Express service generates an operating surplus that is used to cover operating expenses of other lines.
California OKs funding for high-speed rail line - Yahoo! News
California OKs funding for high-speed rail line
California was able to secure more federal aid than expected after Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin turned down money.
Steinberg, the Senate leader, said the vote signaled the "biggest, boldest public works project in decades in California." He likened it to the state water project that was first undertaken by Brown's father, Gov. Pat Brown, in the late 1950s. The massive network of dams, reservoirs and canals is still used today.
paulitician: Should Non-Californians be forced to give their Tax Dollars to this project?
He likened it to the state water project that was first undertaken by Brown's father, Gov. Pat Brown, in the late 1950s. The massive network of dams, reservoirs and canals is still used today.
Except that it would loose money and just become another money pit. If there was a profit to be made with high speed rail, a private customer would be building the system right now. In stead, you want to tax 300 million people to subsidize high speed transportation for the 10 or 12 people who would benefit from another government boondoggle.
Hmm. Sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated speculation. Which is also known more commonly as "Bullshit." So why don't you rustle up a few links that support, with actual data now, not Right Wing heeby-jeeby feelings about shit, how it would lose money and become another money pit.
Otherwise, I'll call it California being once again ahead of the curve on cool shit.
Simple math tells me it's bullshit. $68 million and 4000 jobs? that works out to $17,000/job, barely minimum wage and you haven't bought land, steel or rolling stock. Conservaderrp is full of shit, as usual.
This, despite California being very deep in Debt.
California High-Speed Rail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
California High-Speed Rail
Since high-speed trains based on fossil-fuel electricity generation use one-third the energy of airplanes per person and a fifth of that used by cars with one person,[21] California High-Speed Rail will eliminate 12 billion pounds (5.5 million tonnes) of greenhouse gas emissions each year by reducing passenger car and airplane use. This is the equivalent of removing more than one million vehicles from the state's roads and freeways. It will lessen California's dependence on foreign oil by up to 12.7 million barrels per year.
The CHSRA projects that the Los Angeles-San Francisco route will generate a net operating revenues of US$2.23 billion by 2023,[4] consistent with the experience of other high-speed intercity operations around the world.[19] Even Amtrak's semi-high-speed Acela Express service generates an operating surplus that is used to cover operating expenses of other lines.
California OKs funding for high-speed rail line - Yahoo! News
California OKs funding for high-speed rail line
California was able to secure more federal aid than expected after Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin turned down money.
Steinberg, the Senate leader, said the vote signaled the "biggest, boldest public works project in decades in California." He likened it to the state water project that was first undertaken by Brown's father, Gov. Pat Brown, in the late 1950s. The massive network of dams, reservoirs and canals is still used today.
paulitician: Should Non-Californians be forced to give their Tax Dollars to this project?
California was able to secure more federal aid than expected after Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin turned down money ... will generate a net operating revenues of US$2.23 billion by 2023 ... It will lessen California's dependence on foreign oil by up to 12.7 million barrels per year.
a better question might be why the Republican gov'rs have given their funds to California than there own constituencies.
He likened it to the state water project that was first undertaken by Brown's father, Gov. Pat Brown, in the late 1950s. The massive network of dams, reservoirs and canals is still used today.
this project as a predecessor above is the difference between the latent (political) arguments between public and private initiatives that obscures the value both are capable of and elected officials that are willing to make the correct decisions despite their politics.
Hmm. Sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated speculation. Which is also known more commonly as "Bullshit." So why don't you rustle up a few links that support, with actual data now, not Right Wing heeby-jeeby feelings about shit, how it would lose money and become another money pit.
Otherwise, I'll call it California being once again ahead of the curve on cool shit.
Simple math tells me it's bullshit. $68 million and 4000 jobs? that works out to $17,000/job, barely minimum wage and you haven't bought land, steel or rolling stock. Conservaderrp is full of shit, as usual.
Yeah, fuck those 4000+ people getting a living wage!!
I totally support this project. It's the kind of thing we should be doing on a national level. We're looking at least 4000 new jobs being created. I thought Republicans loved jobs being created? No?
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/assets/0/152/159/0150b8aa-a61b-4aeb-9c18-6223d8fe429f.pdf
Wow, 4,000 jobs for only the price of 68 Billion (that will prolly go well over 100 billion). Man Conservatwerp, you might be on to something.
68,000,000,000 divided by 4,000 jobs, divided by 10 years to build.... Only 1.7 Million dollars a job..... per year.
I think we have a runner up for the most stupid person on the boards, It’s TM VS Conservatwerp.
Simple math tells me it's bullshit. $68 million and 4000 jobs? that works out to $17,000/job, barely minimum wage and you haven't bought land, steel or rolling stock. Conservaderrp is full of shit, as usual.
Yeah, fuck those 4000+ people getting a living wage!!
$17,000 a living wage? In California?
I totally support this project. It's the kind of thing we should be doing on a national level. We're looking at least 4000 new jobs being created. I thought Republicans loved jobs being created? No?
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/assets/0/152/159/0150b8aa-a61b-4aeb-9c18-6223d8fe429f.pdf
Hmm. Sounds like a lot of unsubstantiated speculation. Which is also known more commonly as "Bullshit." So why don't you rustle up a few links that support, with actual data now, not Right Wing heeby-jeeby feelings about shit, how it would lose money and become another money pit.
Otherwise, I'll call it California being once again ahead of the curve on cool shit.
Simple math tells me it's bullshit. $68 million and 4000 jobs? that works out to $17,000/job, barely minimum wage and you haven't bought land, steel or rolling stock. Conservaderrp is full of shit, as usual.
Yeah, fuck those 4000+ people getting a living wage!!
It's the "Stimulus" all over again. These jobs will be paid for by Taxpayers. It will be a huge net-loss in the end. Californians are crazy to go for this one, but it is California i guess. The rest of America shouldn't have to suffer because of their craziness though.
Man, Socialists/Progressives really are addicted to spending other peoples' money. How sad.
I totally support this project. It's the kind of thing we should be doing on a national level. We're looking at least 4000 new jobs being created. I thought Republicans loved jobs being created? No?
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/assets/0/152/159/0150b8aa-a61b-4aeb-9c18-6223d8fe429f.pdf
It is not in the interest of people who live in other states to wastefully fund something that will be used only in another state.
That's not a national service. It's a state service, and should be funded by the state the line will serve.
Some people think the nation should fund sex changes for children who are sorry they were born a girl or sorry that they were born a boy.
California needs to pay its own debts first and save back money for the project on their own nickel.
It's just not a national project.
It's the "Stimulus" all over again. These jobs will be paid for by Taxpayers. It will be a huge net-loss in the end. Californians are crazy to go for this one, but it is California i guess. The rest of America shouldn't have to suffer because of their craziness though.
I totally support this project. It's the kind of thing we should be doing on a national level. We're looking at least 4000 new jobs being created. I thought Republicans loved jobs being created? No?
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/assets/0/152/159/0150b8aa-a61b-4aeb-9c18-6223d8fe429f.pdf
Wow, 4,000 jobs for only the price of 68 Billion (that will prolly go well over 100 billion). Man Conservatwerp, you might be on to something.
68,000,000,000 divided by 4,000 jobs, divided by 10 years to build.... Only 1.7 Million dollars a job..... per year.
I think we have a runner up for the most stupid person on the boards, Its TM VS Conservatwerp.
Teabaggers calling me stupid is a badge of honor, Fuckstain. It's sort of like someone who is really stupid calling me stupid.
Oh wait. That's exactly what that is.
Simple math tells me it's bullshit. $68 million and 4000 jobs? that works out to $17,000/job, barely minimum wage and you haven't bought land, steel or rolling stock. Conservaderrp is full of shit, as usual.
Yeah, fuck those 4000+ people getting a living wage!!
He did 68 million, not 68 Billion.... Meaning it's 1.7 million a person every year for 10 years.... Good work Conservatwerp!
It's the "Stimulus" all over again. These jobs will be paid for by Taxpayers. It will be a huge net-loss in the end. Californians are crazy to go for this one, but it is California i guess. The rest of America shouldn't have to suffer because of their craziness though.
Why do you hate workers?
Man, Socialists/Progressives really are addicted to spending other peoples' money. How sad.
So you are anticonstitution now? Man I didn't know dwight was a socialist.
You people are the party of backwards thinking.