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Do Christians think the only human being ever to be born with the capacity to be inseparable from God is Jesus?
What do you have to look forward to then?
fyi...See? That's the problem with Christians. The Catholic church fucked it up for everyone by striking some books of the Bible from the popular version. They ignored the Agnostics.
At least the Buddhists kept it sort of pure by stating that anyone could join the Nothing and become a Buddha.
fyi...
Gnostic, not A-gnostic....agnostic is the opposite of gnostic, i believe...similar to Atheist is the opposite of theist?
the gnostic scripture, a great deal found among the dead sea scrolls was omitted....
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fyi...
Gnostic, not A-gnostic....agnostic is the opposite of gnostic, i believe...similar to Atheist is the opposite of theist?
the gnostic scripture, a great deal found among the dead sea scrolls was omitted....
care
There were no Bank of America, however if I remember correctly did Jesus not always talk about forgiveness and forgiveness of debts?
Tampering with the market system to redistribute the wealth or assure that the poor are protected is defined as "Socialism."
Jesus was not political....he would not be considered in the class of today's Liberal or today's Conservative....and in my opinion, this is the problem, when people try to do such.
Jesus was not involved with the political aspects of the Roman government at the time, this is why he told the Pharisees to give unto Caesar, what is his when it came to taxes. Jesus believed in a Separation of Church and State, so to say....
where he was rebellious was with the leaders of His Church or Synagogue who he felt were "messing" with God's message and getting it all wrong....like He could not heal the sick on the Sabbath because it was considered by the religious as working on the Sabbath, helping the injured man left for dead on the Sabbath as the Samaritan did but the religious Priest and Levite passed him by and left him for dead....the permission to divorce as Moses granted the jews for any reason other than marital unfaithfulness should not have been permitted....making people pay to enter the temple and only take a certain currency as their alms, making a bundle off of the "exchange rate"....(the money changers)....he spent a great deal of time "correcting" what people believed, not admonishing the Old testament, but correcting how the hierarchy wthin their religion interpreted it.
He talked about forgiveness of sins, I don't think he mentioned forgiveness of debt....in fact, He mentioned that if you were (in debt and) forced to walk a mile and carry a load for your adversary or let's say slave master, then once done with what this person required you to do, you should walk another mile for him, at your own free will....all in the name of the Lord!
He also mentions to settle your differences or debt outside of court, because you could end up in prison if you don't!
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8.) Jesus spoke often about the wealthy and poverty. To the poor he said, "Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God," (Luke's version). To the rich he said, "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth," and "go, sell what you have, and give to the poor." When the rich turned away from him because they couldn't follow his command he observed, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 23-35: Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talentsb was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. The servant fell on his knees before him. Be patient with me, he begged, and I will pay back everything. The servants master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii.c He grabbed him and began to choke him. Pay back what you owe me! he demanded. His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, Be patient with me, and I will pay you back. But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened. Then the master called the servant in. You wicked servant, he said, I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldnt you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you? In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.
no, most Christians believe Jesus IS God, not a separate being but a manifestation of God, in the form of man.Do Christians think the only human being ever to be born with the capacity to be inseparable from God is Jesus?
What do you have to look forward to then?
"In his image" means we look like him and are a reflection of him. Not that we are him or have his godform.There is plenty of other verses in the bible that show Christ was not God in Human form.
For many christians though, God NEEDS to be Jesus. Why? Because only God's death would be good enough to pay the penalty for the sins of the entire world. Only god could pay such a price. Only God could take on the sins of the world.
But if we do assume (for sake of argument) that God was Jesus. Then he still wasn't perfect. Unless you believe every word that Jesus spoke and every action that God/Jesus did was perfect. Nobody is perfect, even God.
Remember this: God created us in HIS IMAGE.
He never made any such political affiliation. Just like he never straight out and said "I am God". To ask me for such a quote is being a hypocrite.
Do Christians think the only human being ever to be born with the capacity to be inseparable from God is Jesus?
What do you have to look forward to then?
"In his image" means we look like him and are a reflection of him. Not that we are him or have his godform.
Please quote the verses which portray Jesus as anything but perfect and the living God.
The Bible says that he is God. THe Bible does not say that he was pulling for any particular political party.
And no, asking for the quote isn't being a hypocrite. I can quote scripture, and do to make my point. If you're going to assert something is in scripture, if it's not one which immediately comes to people's heads, you get to quote it or be recognized as someone who is lying about the content of the bible and/or his knowledge about it.
Like Burge, George Lindbeck, the famous Yale theologian, has commented on the decreasing knowledge of Scripture from a professor’s perspective.
“When I first arrived at Yale, even those who came from nonreligious backgrounds knew the Bible better than most of those now who come from churchgoing families,” he says
I never said Jesus was political. I'm simply stating that his views could be what is considered Socialism. Socialism can be a non-political view on society as a whole too.
I also never said Jesus was involved with political aspects, merely what his views mean when applied to government and society. Obviously Jesus would not be a Socialist in everyway, but rather his thinking.
1.) Jesus didn't own any material items.
2.) Jesus told others to leave their brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers to join him so they can become a commune.
3.) Jesus treats everyone he meets equally.
4.) He multiplied the loaves and fishes to feed the people. Is that not spreading the wealth amongst all who were listening to him?
5.) He healed the sick for free because he felt it was right, is that not free health care for all?
6.) He overturned the vendor tables in the temple and kicked out the capitalists because of the way they used his "father's temple."
7.) He would also have been in favor of welfare: giving to the poor, sick, and hungry.
Ironically though, Jesus would not involve himself even in today's politics because of the way they are. He would also probably be disheartened with the way he sees so many people treat one another with such distain.
Here you go Care, I think. Tell me what you think:
Ok. You make some good points Robert, but all of what you pointed out was how and what Jesus was teaching every day folk in their every day lives and their varying neighborhoods to do, NOT necessarily government....to do.
To me, it would not necessarily be wrong for our government to be involved in this way, just that this is not what Jesus was trying to get across....no political message or movement, but a desire inside of us to take care of our fellow man without malice and be forgiving.
On your last passage, the emphasis or the moral of the parable to me is on "Do unto others as you want them to do unto you" or "Love thy neighbor as thyself" or "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...."
simply giving Justice or true Love....the Golden Rule imho.
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This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.
The fact that Jesus does not condemn slavery but encourages it should be enough proof.
The bible is not going to say God or Jesus is wrong. However, history and facts prove them and it wrong.
I do love how you ask me to find direct verses for my own points when you cannot find direct verses for your own.
"In his image" means we look like him and we are a reflection of him. Which is true, I never said we are him. However, godform or being God does not make you perfect. If we are a reflection of God, then we are a reflection of the fact that nobody is perfect.
The fact that Jesus does not condemn slavery but encourages it should be enough proof.
The bible is not going to say God or Jesus is wrong. However, history and facts prove them and it wrong.
I do love how you ask me to find direct verses for my own points when you cannot find direct verses for your own.
"In his image" means we look like him and we are a reflection of him. Which is true, I never said we are him. However, godform or being God does not make you perfect. If we are a reflection of God, then we are a reflection of the fact that nobody is perfect.
Did I ever say he was pulling for any particular party? No
I can quote scripture too, but all I'm told is that it's bullshit or I'm twisting it. Asking for a quote is being a hypocrite when you yourself cannot find a direct quote in the bible where Jesus says "I am God".
I've quoted from both the O.T and N.T countless times in many threads in the last day. Besides, you assume that most Christians just know when they see a scripture from the Bible or hear it. I will bet you a dime a dozen that at least 50% of the Christians in America have not looked at the bible as closely as I have. And I am supposedly the Anti-Christ doing Satan's work.
And to further prove my point:
Crisis in America's Churches: Bible Knowledge At All-Time Low
Jesus does not say that slavery is A ok, he does not speak to that manner....what he tells them is to submit to their masters in the name of God.
He is saying that walking the extra mile with ones adversary, or turning ones cheek, or submitting to your master....being kind in every manner, no matter what they do to you....ONE UPS THEM....it showed that their belief in their one God was actually stronger than the Masters and the evil they sometimes brought.....and He says it will be like "burning coals" on their heads....the heads of those that thought, ruled them....it would make them feel guilty for being mean, evil or whatever! And possibly convert them in to believing in our God.
Also, can you post the ENTIRE passage on the rich person's chances on making it to heaven being harder than a camel going through an eye of a needle, if memory serves the passage continues which gives full meaning to the verse and i will go over that with you if I am correct/
it is the next couple of verses i think....
"Perhaps it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, 'wait'. But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim...when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six-year-old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children, and see ominous clouds of inferiority beginning to form in her little mental sky...when you take a cross-country drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you..when your wife and mother are never given the respected title 'Mrs'...when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of 'nobodiness' - then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into the abyss of despair."
Yes, you are once again being dishonest. You said he was a socialist and supported slavery.
So you are once again caught in a lie.
