Zionist genocide in Israel

[surada]

Napalm Gaza.

The Zionists are bad enough.

 

[BackAgain]

You mean tiny disconnected bantustans crisscrossed with Jewish only settlements and roads?

No, stupida. I meant your asshole buttpals rejected a valid two state solution.

 

[BackAgain]

The Zionists are bad enough.

The Pali’s are the problem.

 

[Stryder50]

Really? It’s been reported in the Israeli press for years. Now stop posting. You know nothing.
For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

"It’s been reported in the Israeli press for years."

You article link is dated Oct. 8, 2023. It is a single article, in a single source, that is all you provide and NOT evidence "for years".

"Now stop posting."

Just like a fascist Jew hater and killer, can't stand to have truth and opposing views presented. So are you a latter-day neo-Nazi or a regurgitated Marxist-Stalinist? Either way you are disgrace to the human race. Move to Gaza where your kind will embrace you.

"You know nothing."

I know a lot more than you do. Including that you are full of lies and propaganda to advance your genocide of Jews.
Also, seems you like basic reading comprehension skills. So we'll look at some of the content of your link.
It starts with the headlines;

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces​

The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from​

....
As hinted here and to be found in the text, Israel was trying to play one faction against the other. Purpose being to block Palestinian statehood which would result in Israel losing territory.

QUOTE:
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

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[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]So Israel was using Hamas as a bargaining tool against other factions of the Palestinians while also loosening restrictions on work permits and outside cash flow.
"propped out" isn't the same as starting the organization nor funding it. Rather a case of trying to find common ground for peace, versus taking a more military stance of eliminating Hamas.
Also;

According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

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The difference between Islamic Jihad and Hamas doesn’t matter much at this point. As far as the State of Israel is concerned, the territory is under the control of Hamas, and it is responsible for all the training and activities there.

Hamas became stronger and used the auspices of peace that Israelis so longed for as cover for its training, and hundreds of Israelis have paid with their lives for this massive omission.
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The mistake that Netanyahu and others in Israel made was to interact with Hamas as if they were a more civilized organization than they are. The mistake was to do what so many of the Left often criticize Israel for not doing, which is to talk, negotiate, and deal with a terrorist group as if they aren't terrorists, as if they can be reasoned with and compromise is possible.

Also, your like provides no proof that Netanyahu/Israel funded Hamas, or are war criminal(s).

 

[surada]

No, stupida. I meant your asshole buttpals rejected a valid two state solution.

Look at the timing.


Immigrants poured in. The population doubled with Europeans in a period of 15 years. Then the British gave half their ancestral home away to people who didn't speak Arabic, didn't share Arab culture and considered the natives inferior.

 

[Pisa]

It was called Syria-Palestine because Palestine was a province of ancient Syria.

Israel was controlled by Babylon, Egypt, Syria, Persia, the Greeks, Romans and Turks. They were self governing for very little of their history.

By the time of Christ most Jews lived elsewhere.

Nice strawman. Wasted effort though.

Any proof of a non-Jewish nation supposedly living continuously in Palestine for the last two thousand years? Not even one tiny document? A doc? A d?

 

[surada]

Nice strawman. Wasted effort though.

Any proof of a non-Jewish nation supposedly living continuously in Palestine for the last two thousand years? Not even one tiny document? A doc? A d?

It was called Palestine and people lived there. Jews were a minority after the 2nd century.

 

[Pisa]

"It’s been reported in the Israeli press for years."

You article link is dated Oct. 8, 2023. It is a single article, in a single source, that is all you provide and NOT evidence "for years".

"Now stop posting."

Just like a fascist Jew hater and killer, can't stand to have truth and opposing views presented. So are you a latter-day neo-Nazi or a regurgitated Marxist-Stalinist? Either way you are disgrace to the human race. Move to Gaza where your kind will embrace you.

"You know nothing."

I know a lot more than you do. Including that you are full of lies and propaganda to advance your genocide of Jews.
Also, seems you like basic reading comprehension skills. So we'll look at some of the content of your link.
It starts with the headlines;

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces​

The premier’s policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from​

....
As hinted here and to be found in the text, Israel was trying to play one faction against the other. Purpose being to block Palestinian statehood which would result in Israel losing territory.

QUOTE:
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

Hamas was also included in discussions about increasing the number of work permits Israel granted to Gazan laborers, which kept money flowing into Gaza, meaning food for families and the ability to purchase basic products.

Israeli officials said these permits, which allow Gazan laborers to earn higher salaries than they would in the enclave, were a powerful tool to help preserve calm.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]So Israel was using Hamas as a bargaining tool against other factions of the Palestinians while also loosening restrictions on work permits and outside cash flow.
"propped out" isn't the same as starting the organization nor funding it. Rather a case of trying to find common ground for peace, versus taking a more military stance of eliminating Hamas.
Also;

According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

&[/COLOR]

The difference between Islamic Jihad and Hamas doesn’t matter much at this point. As far as the State of Israel is concerned, the territory is under the control of Hamas, and it is responsible for all the training and activities there.

Hamas became stronger and used the auspices of peace that Israelis so longed for as cover for its training, and hundreds of Israelis have paid with their lives for this massive omission.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The mistake that Netanyahu and others in Israel made was to interact with Hamas as if they were a more civilized organization than they are. The mistake was to do what so many of the Left often criticize Israel for not doing, which is to talk, negotiate, and deal with a terrorist group as if they aren't terrorists, as if they can be reasoned with and compromise is possible.

Also, your like provides no proof that Netanyahu/Israel funded Hamas, or are war criminal(s).

This is an opinion piece, and not so accurate. For instance, Gaza is not an enclave. The moment Gaza is called an enclave I know that the writers/speakers are not reliable.

 

[Pisa]

It was called Palestine and people lived there. Jews were a minority after the 2nd century.

So...no proof. Of course.

 

[Stryder50]

This is an opinion piece, and not so accurate. For instance, Gaza is not an enclave. The moment Gaza is called an enclave I know that the writers/speakers are not reliable.

I know it's an "opinion piece", but wonder if "Gipper" who presented it knew that.
What would you call Gaza then ?
Neither Israel or Egypt seem to want to claim it as their property. It is rather vague as a nation of it's own.
Soooo ...... ???

 

[Shusha]

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What would you call Gaza then ?
Neither Israel or Egypt seem to want to claim it as their property. It is rather vague as a nation of it's own.
Soooo ...... ???

Even those of us who have a decent understanding of the conflict and its historical basis tend to underestimate the importance of this question. If an aspiring or emerging State can't seem to be able to transform itself into a State, what does the international community DO with that?! Is Israel, technically the State with the best claim to sovereignty over the territory of Gaza, obligated to govern it? Or is Israel permitted to abandon it? If Israel is permitted to abandon it, given that it can not "stand alone", who in the international community is responsible for making sure the people of Gaza have food, and water, and electricity, and employment, and a functioning economy?

 

[Pisa]

Look at the timing.


Immigrants poured in. The population doubled with Europeans in a period of 15 years. Then the British gave half their ancestral home away to people who didn't speak Arabic, didn't share Arab culture and considered the natives inferior.

The majority of Jews in Mandate Palestine were MENA natives. They spoke excellent Arabic. Not that it matters, since Jews are the indigenous nation of Palestine regardless of the language they speak. Whether they considered non-Jews inferior or not has no bearing on the relationship between Jews and their ancestral homeland.

There are several inaccuracies and logical fallacies in your post. Well, in all your posts. I guess gish gallop is your way to distract opponents and get them lost in a web of silly arguments. Doesn't work.

 

[Pisa]

I know it's an "opinion piece", but wonder if "Gipper" who presented it knew that.
What would you call Gaza then ?
Neither Israel or Egypt seem to want to claim it as their property. It is rather vague as a nation of it's own.
Soooo ...... ???

It's an exclave.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Israel supported Hamas because they were a foil against the PLO.

They have admitted it many times in testimony on CSPAN. ..and they regret it.

Repeating a lie still doesn't make it true.

 

[Stryder50]

Even those of us who have a decent understanding of the conflict and its historical basis tend to underestimate the importance of this question. If an aspiring or emerging State can't seem to be able to transform itself into a State, what does the international community DO with that?! Is Israel, technically the State with the best claim to sovereignty over the territory of Gaza, obligated to govern it? Or is Israel permitted to abandon it? If Israel is permitted to abandon it, given that it can not "stand alone", who in the international community is responsible for making sure the people of Gaza have food, and water, and electricity, and employment, and a functioning economy?

As far as international community responsible for supporting Gaza, the Dar El Islam would be my candidate.
The following series of maps, pulled from a couple other related threads where I recently posted them, show that Gaza hasn't been a part of Israel since recent "inception" of 1948;

Historically, the victor in a war decides the boundaries that exist afterwards.

The 1948 Israel-Arab war was started by the Arabs with intent to destroy nation of Israel and kill and/or expel all the Jews in the Levant. Thus the terms were set by the attackers, "Winner takes all."

While the "International Community" would have sat back and done nothing had the Arabs/Muslims won, and finished what the Nazis started; they weren't about to let the Jews/Israel win by "too much". Hence added efforts by the U.N. and others to effect a ceasefire and allow some of the partitioned Levant remain in Muslim/Arab/"Palestinian" hands.

See these maps for some visual on the ebb and flow and final results by 1949.

1948 Arab–Israeli War​

1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia ​

en.wikipedia.org

Once the fighting ceased, this became the "Green Line" or redone boundaries.

Green Line (Israel) - Wikipedia ​

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Shusha]

The following series of maps, pulled from a couple other related threads where I recently posted them, show that Gaza hasn't been a part of Israel since recent "inception" of 1948;

Historically, the victor in a war decides the boundaries that exist afterwards.

... Thus the terms were set by the attackers, "Winner takes all."

I fundamentally disagree with the premises outlined here, with respect to international law.

 

[expat500]

I fundamentally disagree with the premises outlined here, with respect to international law.

I fundamentally disagree with the terms Zionist Genocide.

Fashionable throwaway buzz words, which the users have no idea of their meaning.

 

[Stryder50]

I fundamentally disagree with the premises outlined here, with respect to international law.

The maps speak for themselves.

As for my text preceding them, I've been reading up again on aspects of the past World Wars and there are classic examples there of national borders, even nations themselves being created and redrawn.

Alsace-Loraine swapped back and forth between France and German,
Poland having it's borders reshaped a couple of times,
Czechoslovakia "created" then broken up, then recreated,
French Indo-China made into four separate nations,
Colonial borders in Africa not matching local ethnic and tribe lands,
Former Ottoman territories of the Middle East shaped into "countries", including Palestine/Israel per Allied winners of World War One,
Etc.

 

[expat500]

The maps speak for themselves.

As for my text preceding them, I've been reading up again on aspects of the past World Wars and there are classic examples there of national borders, even nations themselves being created and redrawn.

Alsace-Loraine swapped back and forth between France and German,
Poland having it's borders reshaped a couple of times,
Czechoslovakia "created" then broken up, then recreated,
French Indo-China made into four separate nations,
Colonial borders in Africa not matching local ethnic and tribe lands,
Former Ottoman territories of the Middle East shaped into "countries", including Palestine/Israel per Allied winners of World War One,
Etc.

Lviv used to be in Poland.

I did a road trip once through former German areas in Poland. Breslau for example retains all the Germanic style of architecture.

 

[expat500]

^ Sometimes l think we’re still seeing the fallout from the breakup of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.