Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

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    Do logic and reason say that God is our servant?

    Matthew 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many."

    Even as the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve,

    At the end of the day, there is no physical or real supernatural God for us to follow. If there were, then logic and reason say that if such a God wanted to be relevant to man, he would show up.

    All there can be are rules and laws that we think a God would give. Men have written up many such sets of rules while lying about being inspired by God. That is basically the moral of the Moses story with his coming off the mountain, not with a God, but with rules and laws.

    Man is not slaved to his laws and rules and changes them as better ones are found. We, in effect, are evolving God, defined as rules and laws, and making him better.

    All people accept this except for those in religions who idol worship the older barbaric Gods, whose laws are inferior to secular law. That would include the Christian and Muslim demiurges.

    Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship. Faith is a way to quit using your, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.

    The God of the OT says, “Come now, and let us reason together,” [Isaiah 1:18]

    How can literalists reason on God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?

    Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
    “Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
    “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

    This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes their mind as it is pure idol worship.

    Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.

    Do you serve God and the laws and rules of life, or do you expect the laws, rules of life and God to serve you?

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    The moment that God cursed Canaan, God chose a son of Canaan to be His servant. This is the elder priesthood that has existed since Adam. It is referred to in scripture as the priesthood of Melchizedek. Of course Jesus is a servant.
    The Word is so much more that a set of rules to follow. One man speaking a true Word can overcome the impossible. As soon as that happens, people get very angry. Jesus was telling the truth when he described what happens to prophets.
     
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    No. Logic and reason say it is the other way around.
     
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    Logic and reason never come into play when it comes to god.
     
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    The god you peeps worship isn't logical, and no amount of reason will square that. Or prove it.
     
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    And yet we live in a logical universe where every effect has a cause.
     
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    smh. You're messing with Matthew. That's Jesus, man. The hardest book to read imho.
     
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    Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers,
    children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD,
    they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger,
    they are gone away backward.

    Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:
    though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
    though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool


    If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land
    But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword:
    for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it

    Isaiah 1:4,18-20


    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
    He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie,
    he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

    John 8:44


    But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them
    which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ,
    who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    2 Corinthians 4:3-4


    Why should the nations say, ‘Where is their God?’
    Let the avenging of the outpoured blood of your servants
    be known among the nations before our eyes!

    Psalm 79:10


    Return sevenfold into the lap of our neighbors
    the taunts with which they have taunted you, O Lord!

    Psalm 79:12


    Know this first of all, that in the last days
    mockers will come with their mocking,
    following after their own lusts, and saying,
    “Where is the promise of His coming?
    For ever since the fathers fell asleep,
    all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.

    But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved,
    that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years,
    and a thousand years as one day.

    The Lord is not slow about His promise,
    as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,
    not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief,
    in which the heavens will pass away with a roar
    and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat,
    and the earth and its works will be burned up.

    2 Peter 3:3-4, 8-10
     
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