Democrats Attempt to Destroy America

[Dad2three]

A summary I wrote six years ago. Still very timely today.

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An hour-long program on the origins of the current financial crisis, was put together by Fox News in 2008. It contains a great many clips from various officials who were involved, interviews by news people, etc. They called it "Saving Our Economy". Someone put it on YouTube, in six segments. Go there and do a search on that title, and you should get all six segments. They vary from 5 to 10 minutes each, about 45 minutes running time total (no commercials).

It's an excellent explanation of how the crisis started, who did what, what the results were, etc. A real must-see.

Here's a summary:

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Sept. 23, 2008: Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson: "The events leading us here began many years ago, starting with bad lending practices by banks and financial institutions, and by borrowers taking up mortgages they couldn't afford."

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The Federal National Mortgage Association (FNMA, or "Fannie Mae") was created in 1938 during the Great Depression. to create a market for mortgages where they could be bought and sold.

In 1968, Lyndon Johnson and a Democratic Congress spun off Fannie Mae so that it would not show up in the Federal budget. But the Federal govt was always there, ready to bail out Fannie Mae if problems happened. This enables Fannie Mae to offer lower rates for the mortgages it bought, since it was not taking the risks that other banks and institutions had to. In 1970, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation ("Freddie Mac") was formed, to create competition for Fannie Mae, since ordinary banks could NOT compete with the government-backed rates they offered.

The Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) was passed by a Democrat Congress and signed by Jimmy Carter in 1977. It made sure banks were lending to people of all colors and income levels. But things quickly began going off the rails, as activist groups found a new weapon in the law: The could start suing lenders for discrimination if they didn't lend to enough minority families, regardless of the families' ability to pay the loans back as promised. Banks began making riskier and riskier loans for fear of having to fight expensive lawsuits.

Community groups began bullying the banks, especially one called the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now ("ACORN"). It hired several specialized lawyers, including a young man named Barack Obama, to teach its employees how to go to the homes of bank CEOs and senior officers, harassing and publicly embarrassing them while remaining within the limits of local law to avoid prosecution.

At one point, ACORN brought a lawsuit against a thrift merger in Illinois, insisting that the lending institutions had not made as many loans to minorities as ACORN thought they should. The bank replied that such loans would be financially irresponsible, and would put ALL the bank's customers at unacceptable risk. ACORN prevailed in court, and banks began making more and more risky loans to home buyers who could have never qualified for those loans under ordinary circumstances.

In late 2000, in the last days of the Clinton administration, the government ordered Fannie and Freddie to increase the numbers of these risky ("sub-prime") mortgages they were buying from banks and lending institutions across the country. They did, lowering their rates and buying more and more, until fully half their portfolios consisted of these risky sub-prime mortgages, combined and packaged in various ways.

The Bush administration raised red flags starting in April 2001. Their 2002 Budget Request declared that the size of mortgage giants Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae is "a potential problem" because financial trouble in either one of them "could cause strong repercussions in financial markets".

In 2003, the White House warning about Fannie and Freddie, was upgraded to a "Systemic Risk that could spread beyond just the housing sector".

As Fannie and Freddie continued to lower their rates and buy mortgages, lenders made more and more mortgages to buyers with questionable ability to pay, safe in the knowledge that they could immediately turn around and sell the mortgages to the government-sponsored Fannie and Freddie, thus avoiding any consequences if the loans were later defaulted. They were happy to make more and more such mortgages, collecting fees for each and selling the mortgages to F&F.

Countrywide Financial chairman Angelo Mazzillo literally started screaming at Wall Street Journal editor Paul Gigot, when Gigot asked him about the wisdom of making so many loans to buyers unlikely to pay them back. Mazzillo insisted loudly that Gigot had no idea what he was talking about, did not understand the first thing about mortgage lending, etc., etc. He failed, however, to answer any of Gigot's questions in even the simplest terms or explain why they were "wrong".

(to be continued)

Loans that were under government regulation did better than private loans, especially if they were regulated by the "Community Reinvestment Act."

Center for Public Integrity reported in 2011, mortgages financed by Wall Street from 2001 to 2008 were 4½ times more likely to be seriously delinquent than mortgages backed by Fannie and Freddie.


It is clear to anyone who has studied the financial crisis of 2008 that the private sector’s drive for short-term profit was behind it.

More than 84 percent of the sub-prime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending. These private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year. Out of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006, only one was subject to the usual mortgage laws and regulations.

The nonbank underwriters made more than 12 million subprime mortgages with a value of nearly $2 trillion. The lenders who made these were exempt from federal regulations.

Lest We Forget Why We Had A Financial Crisis - Forbes

 

[Dad2three]

Actually, the United States doesn't torture.



It's even easier to smear with finger paints than cartoons, dope.

"Actually, the United States doesn't torture" NOW THAT DUBYA IS GONE

Fixed ir for you

The only fixing that would prove efficacious would be insertion of a brain into your cranial cavity.

Sorry, that's the position of most right wingers, I'd hate to copy them

Is Richard Engel a Liberal Democrat?

Is Bob Kerrey a Liberal Democrat?



Yup....both are as depicted.

But, unlike you and Feinstein....they also love and respect America.



Now....get back into the sewer.

Don't know what MOST means huh? A few out of hundreds proves your point right? lol

 

[Flash]

".That's what caused our last meltdown."

Wrong again.

What caused the mortgage meltdown was Democrats ignoring the Constitution, article 1, section 8, and deciding that the federal government should meddle in the private housing industry.


1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.
He created GSE's Fannie and Freddie to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA
Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.
Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.



That's the CliffNotes version.
I don't believe you can handle the details.

You have to be careful pointig out the facts to the Libtards. They like to be in mode of blaming everything on Bush and actually get upset when you challenge them on it.

You are absolutely correct. The Democrat sponsored CRA caused the housing meltdown. When the Democrats took over Congress in 2006 their oversight (led by Barney Queerboy) did nothing to correct the avalanche of problems.

The banks have known for 30 years the risks involved on the loan products they sold. This is why they lobbied so hard to allow them to sell the bad products to investors so they would not be holding the bad paper or the risks. The developed the products like stated income stated assets then bundled them to make it appear they were blended risks and then sold them to multiple investors. Who bought these high risk loans? Mostly pension funds and Insurances seeking higher returns who lost almost half of the pension funds value and the public that depended on those funds for retirement.




Nobody forced the big five investment banks to do what they did; they were not subject to CRA or other regulations common to depository banks. In fact, they mainly bought and sold loans rather than originate them. They did it because they thought they would make money.

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


CRA AROUND SINCE 1977 AND WEAKENED ENFORCEMENT UNDER DUBYA???

For social justice reasons the stupid government puts significant pressure on the lending institutes to give loans to people that neither have the means or inclination to pay back the money.. What could possibly go wrong? Oh yea, the economy almost collapses. Thanks a lot Libtrards for getting it wrong once again and almost destroying the economy.

Sad thing is now Obama is reverting to the same old shit. One thing about Libtards, they never learn, do they?

 

[Borillar]

It should be obvious. They are attempting to be transparent as long as they are shining the light on something that happened during the Bush Administration. Is it any wonder that they were kicked to the curb last month?

If that's the case, they would have been better off shining the light on odious Republican wrongdoings before the election instead of after. Now it's only good as a final "fuck you" before the new congress comes in. You know the repugs would have never let this report see the light of day. They only care about wrongdoings when a Democrat is involved.

 

[Agit8r]

After 80 years, one would assume y'all could come up with new material, but nooo:

"Democracy and the Center are today the pacesetters of Bolshevism and thus the parties who are mainly to blame for our misfortune."
-- Adolf Hitler; from proclamation to Nazi Party (January 1, 1932)

 

[Dad2three]

".That's what caused our last meltdown."

Wrong again.

What caused the mortgage meltdown was Democrats ignoring the Constitution, article 1, section 8, and deciding that the federal government should meddle in the private housing industry.


1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.
He created GSE's Fannie and Freddie to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA
Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.
Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.



That's the CliffNotes version.
I don't believe you can handle the details.

You have to be careful pointig out the facts to the Libtards. They like to be in mode of blaming everything on Bush and actually get upset when you challenge them on it.

You are absolutely correct. The Democrat sponsored CRA caused the housing meltdown. When the Democrats took over Congress in 2006 their oversight (led by Barney Queerboy) did nothing to correct the avalanche of problems.

The banks have known for 30 years the risks involved on the loan products they sold. This is why they lobbied so hard to allow them to sell the bad products to investors so they would not be holding the bad paper or the risks. The developed the products like stated income stated assets then bundled them to make it appear they were blended risks and then sold them to multiple investors. Who bought these high risk loans? Mostly pension funds and Insurances seeking higher returns who lost almost half of the pension funds value and the public that depended on those funds for retirement.




Nobody forced the big five investment banks to do what they did; they were not subject to CRA or other regulations common to depository banks. In fact, they mainly bought and sold loans rather than originate them. They did it because they thought they would make money.

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


CRA AROUND SINCE 1977 AND WEAKENED ENFORCEMENT UNDER DUBYA???

For social justice reasons the stupid government puts significant pressure on the lending institutes to give loans to people that neither have the means or inclination to pay back the money.. What could possibly go wrong? Oh yea, the economy almost collapses. Thanks a lot Libtrards for getting it wrong once again and almost destroying the economy.

Sad thing is now Obama is reverting to the same old shit. One thing about Libtards, they never learn, do they?

Sure, the 'libs' were in charge 2004-2007 in the US, lol

Examining the big lie: How the facts of the economic crisis stack up

When an economy booms or busts, money gets misspent, assets rise in prices, fortunes are made. Out of all that comes a set of easy-to-discern facts.

Here are key things we know based on data. Together, they present a series of tough hurdles for the big lie proponents.

•The boom and bust was global. Proponents of the Big Lie ignore the worldwide nature of the housing boom and bust.

A McKinsey Global Institute report noted “from 2000 through 2007, a remarkable run-up in global home prices occurred.” It is highly unlikely that a simultaneous boom and bust everywhere else in the world was caused by one set of factors (ultra-low rates, securitized AAA-rated subprime, derivatives) but had a different set of causes in the United States. Indeed, this might be the biggest obstacle to pushing the false narrative.


CRA were less likely to default than Subprime Mortgages — Source: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

•Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom.

Check the mortgage origination data: The vast majority of subprime mortgages — the loans at the heart of the global crisis — were underwritten by unregulated private firms. These were lenders who sold the bulk of their mortgages to Wall Street, not to Fannie or Freddie. Indeed, these firms had no deposits, so they were not under the jurisdiction of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp or the Office of Thrift Supervision. The relative market share of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dropped from a high of 57 percent of all new mortgage originations in 2003, down to 37 percent as the bubble was developing in 2005-06.

•Nonbank mortgage underwriting exploded from 2001 to 2007, along with the private label securitization market, which eclipsed Fannie and Freddie during the boom.

Check the mortgage origination data: The vast majority of subprime mortgages — the loans at the heart of the global crisis — were underwritten by unregulated private firms. These were lenders who sold the bulk of their mortgages to Wall Street, not to Fannie or Freddie. Indeed, these firms had no deposits, so they were not under the jurisdiction of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp or the Office of Thrift Supervision. The relative market share of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dropped from a high of 57 percent of all new mortgage originations in 2003, down to 37 percent as the bubble was developing in 2005-06.

These firms had business models that could be called “Lend-in-order-to-sell-to-Wall-Street-securitizers.” They offered all manner of nontraditional mortgages — the 2/28 adjustable rate mortgages, piggy-back loans, negative amortization loans. These defaulted in huge numbers, far more than the regulated mortgage writers did.



Examining the big lie How the facts of the economic crisis stack up The Big Picture

MORE ON YOUR LIES HERE
FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Dad2three]

".That's what caused our last meltdown."

Wrong again.

What caused the mortgage meltdown was Democrats ignoring the Constitution, article 1, section 8, and deciding that the federal government should meddle in the private housing industry.


1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.
He created GSE's Fannie and Freddie to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA
Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.
Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.



That's the CliffNotes version.
I don't believe you can handle the details.

You have to be careful pointig out the facts to the Libtards. They like to be in mode of blaming everything on Bush and actually get upset when you challenge them on it.

You are absolutely correct. The Democrat sponsored CRA caused the housing meltdown. When the Democrats took over Congress in 2006 their oversight (led by Barney Queerboy) did nothing to correct the avalanche of problems.

The banks have known for 30 years the risks involved on the loan products they sold. This is why they lobbied so hard to allow them to sell the bad products to investors so they would not be holding the bad paper or the risks. The developed the products like stated income stated assets then bundled them to make it appear they were blended risks and then sold them to multiple investors. Who bought these high risk loans? Mostly pension funds and Insurances seeking higher returns who lost almost half of the pension funds value and the public that depended on those funds for retirement.




Nobody forced the big five investment banks to do what they did; they were not subject to CRA or other regulations common to depository banks. In fact, they mainly bought and sold loans rather than originate them. They did it because they thought they would make money.

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


CRA AROUND SINCE 1977 AND WEAKENED ENFORCEMENT UNDER DUBYA???

For social justice reasons the stupid government puts significant pressure on the lending institutes to give loans to people that neither have the means or inclination to pay back the money.. What could possibly go wrong? Oh yea, the economy almost collapses. Thanks a lot Libtrards for getting it wrong once again and almost destroying the economy.

Sad thing is now Obama is reverting to the same old shit. One thing about Libtards, they never learn, do they?

Jun 16, 2005

The worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history. Prepare for the economic pain when it pops

NEVER before have real house prices risen so fast, for so long, in so many countries. Property markets have been frothing from America, Britain and Australia to France, Spain and China. Rising property prices helped to prop up the world economy after the stockmarket bubble burst in 2000. What if the housing boom now turns to bust?

According to estimates by The Economist, the total value of residential property in developed economies rose by more than $30 trillion over the past five years, to over $70 trillion, an increase equivalent to 100% of those countries' combined GDPs
The global housing boom In come the waves The Economist


It is clear to anyone who has studied the financial crisis of 2008 that the private sector’s drive for short-term profit was behind it.


Lest We Forget Why We Had A Financial Crisis - Forbes

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

After 80 years, one would assume y'all could come up with new material, but nooo:

"Democracy and the Center are today the pacesetters of Bolshevism and thus the parties who are mainly to blame for our misfortune."
-- Adolf Hitler; from proclamation to Nazi Party (January 1, 1932)

Hitler was speaking of the unprincipled nature of communists (the ideological left) being unsuited to democracy, thus their use of such to tyrannize the would-be Democrats... he then went on to demonstrate his point... .

 

[suplex3000]

Why do people blame Democrats or Republicans? Politicians and guys from Wall Street are destroying America. Americans...no..people living in America (including immigrants) are just batteries for money machine.

 

[Agit8r]

After 80 years, one would assume y'all could come up with new material, but nooo:

"Democracy and the Center are today the pacesetters of Bolshevism and thus the parties who are mainly to blame for our misfortune."
-- Adolf Hitler; from proclamation to Nazi Party (January 1, 1932)

Hitler was speaking of the unprincipled nature of communists (the ideological left) being unsuited to democracy, thus their use of such to tyrannize the would-be Democrats... he then went on to demonstrate his point... .

Nope. From the same speech:

"Were it not for the pact which the Center and the middle classes have entered into with Marxism as a result of their inner relatedness of character, there would be no red, anti-christian Germany today. Therefore they are the accursed accomplices of Bolshevism."

 

[TooTall]

It should be obvious. They are attempting to be transparent as long as they are shining the light on something that happened during the Bush Administration. Is it any wonder that they were kicked to the curb last month?

Actually, the United States doesn't torture.



It's even easier to smear with finger paints than cartoons, dope.

"Actually, the United States doesn't torture" NOW THAT DUBYA IS GONE

Fixed ir for you

Now they know that they can cut Americans heads off, put it in a video and don't have to worry about a thing if they are captured. It is good to give them peace of mind, don't you agree?

So by torturing them they'll stop???? lol

Or we just get to race to the bottom and behave as badly as the worst actors? Weird, I thought the US was supposed to be the 'good guys'????

You are right of course. Why don't we just call in a drone strike and kill them? That makes us look like the 'good guys' to the rest of the world. of course we do have to kill all of them to be effective.

 

[TooTall]

It should be obvious. They are attempting to be transparent as long as they are shining the light on something that happened during the Bush Administration. Is it any wonder that they were kicked to the curb last month?

If that's the case, they would have been better off shining the light on odious Republican wrongdoings before the election instead of after. Now it's only good as a final "fuck you" before the new congress comes in. You know the repugs would have never let this report see the light of day. They only care about wrongdoings when a Democrat is involved.

It would have been rather difficult to do before the election since the leadership of the Democrats were briefed on the program by the CIA and were all in favor of it. If the Republicans had been involved in this report, the would have interviewed the targets of the report to get their side. If a witness lies under oath, unlike a congress critter, they could have been prosecuted.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Democrats attempt to destroy America


The Democrats and other liberal fanatics aren't trying to destroy America.
They're trying to transform it into something they think is better.

They are unaware (or they refuse to believe) that the transformation they intend, will result in its deterioration, increasing poverty, less freedom, and its eventual destruction. Even though that has been the result when their "new ideas" have been tried on other large countries, nearly every time.

They believe that if they INTEND to transform it into something better, that's the only thing we need to consider when evaluating their schemes. Good intentions make for good programs, every time.

No proof is needed. Fortunately for them.

And unfortunately for the rest of the country.

So you think that putting the country back on the hook to bail out a handful of banks for their dangerous bets ......That's what caused our last meltdown.......and allowing super rich donors to increase their bids to buy politicians by 10 times are good for the country? You got any proof that either of those things will make life better for anyone but the super rich?

".That's what caused our last meltdown."

Wrong again.

What caused the mortgage meltdown was Democrats ignoring the Constitution, article 1, section 8, and deciding that the federal government should meddle in the private housing industry.


1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.
He created GSE's Fannie and Freddie to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA
Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.
Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.



That's the CliffNotes version.
I don't believe you can handle the details.

Once more since you stick to your LIES


Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse


Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”



Q Did the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter/Clinton caused it?


A "Since 1995 there has been essentially no change in the basic CRA rules or enforcement process that can be reasonably linked to the subprime lending activity. This fact weakens the link between the CRA and the current crisis since the crisis is rooted in poor performance of mortgage loans made between 2004 and 2007. "


..."Another form of easing facilitated the rapid rise of mortgages that didn't require borrowers to fully document their incomes. In 2006, these low- or no-doc loans comprised 81 percent of near-prime, 55 percent of jumbo, 50 percent of subprime and 36 percent of prime securitized mortgages."

Q HOLY JESUS! DID YOU JUST PROVE THAT OVER 50 % OF ALL MORTGAGES IN 2006 DIDN'T REQUIRE BORROWERS TO DOCUMENT THEIR INCOME?!?!?!?

A Yes.




Q WHO THE HELL LOANS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PEOPLE WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR INCOMES?!?!?

A Banks.

Q WHY??!?!!!?!

A Two reasons, greed and Bush's regulators let them

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

"When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?"

When Democrat Franklin Roosevelt created Fannie Mae in in 1938.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"They're trying to transform it into something they think is better."

And it will be a worker's paradise!

And, a new anthem to go along with it:

Even you have to know that is just stupid.

Your ignorance of reality is not my responsibility.

Ok...I'll play along for a while longer. How exactly are you trying to link liberals to a Russian song? Has it been performed by any liberal group or referenced in any way? Which liberal, or which liberal group adopted that song? If you think just picking outa video and assigning it to an opponent is valid, then check out this republican classic

These were the aims of the Communist Party of the United States as reported in Congress, 1963:

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.


3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."


9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce


All are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders.

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

LOL, You know ANYTHING can be put in the Congressional record? Right?

Remember Strom Thurmund reading the phone book filibustering civil rights? lol

But you are unable to deny that the Democrat Party endorses the very same aims as the Communist Party.

QED

 

[Redfish]

Democrat Feinstein and the rest of the Liberal/Progressive clique are liars.



3. " Lesley Stahl interviews the former head of the CIA's Clandestine Service about waterboarding and other methods he says were essential to getting information from suspected terrorists, and he denies claims that these harsh measures caused detainees to provide false or unreliable information that misled the CIA. In fact, Rodriguez says that high-level detainees Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah provided their best information only after harsh treatment, a claim that the CIA's own investigator general has challenged."
Hard Measures Ex-CIA head defends post-9 11 tactics - CBS News




4. " WASHINGTON -- Congressional leaders were briefed in detail about techniques used in the Central Intelligence Agency's interrogation program, according to a new intelligence document.

The document appears to conflict with recent statements from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who was then the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee. Ms. Pelosi has said she hadn't been told that the CIA was using the technique known as waterboarding, or simulated drowning. According to the document, Ms. Pelosi was one of the first lawmakers briefed on the interrogations in 2002." CIA Says It Briefed Congressional Leaders - WSJ



a. "The leaders of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees and of both parties in Congress were briefed on the program more than 40 times between 2002 and 2009. But Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)tried to denythat she was told in 2002 that detainees had been waterboarded. That is simply not true. I was among those who briefed her." Today s CIA critics once urged the agency to do anything to fight al-Qaeda - The Washington Post



' The Constitution is not a"suicide pact."So wrote Robert Jackson in 1949.'
Constitution Is Not a Suicide Pact Charles J. Reid Jr.




It is if the Liberals/Progressives of the Democrat Party have their way.

Answering only yes or no,

would you object to Americans being tortured by an enemy? Would you withdraw your objection if the enemy could demonstrate that they had obtained actionable intelligence from the tortured Americans?

your question is moot. The USA has not tortured anyone. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are not torture.

 

[JFK_USA]

Apparently holding the country accountable to the 8th amendment means you hate America.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Democrat Feinstein and the rest of the Liberal/Progressive clique are liars.



3. " Lesley Stahl interviews the former head of the CIA's Clandestine Service about waterboarding and other methods he says were essential to getting information from suspected terrorists, and he denies claims that these harsh measures caused detainees to provide false or unreliable information that misled the CIA. In fact, Rodriguez says that high-level detainees Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah provided their best information only after harsh treatment, a claim that the CIA's own investigator general has challenged."
Hard Measures Ex-CIA head defends post-9 11 tactics - CBS News




4. " WASHINGTON -- Congressional leaders were briefed in detail about techniques used in the Central Intelligence Agency's interrogation program, according to a new intelligence document.

The document appears to conflict with recent statements from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who was then the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee. Ms. Pelosi has said she hadn't been told that the CIA was using the technique known as waterboarding, or simulated drowning. According to the document, Ms. Pelosi was one of the first lawmakers briefed on the interrogations in 2002." CIA Says It Briefed Congressional Leaders - WSJ



a. "The leaders of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees and of both parties in Congress were briefed on the program more than 40 times between 2002 and 2009. But Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)tried to denythat she was told in 2002 that detainees had been waterboarded. That is simply not true. I was among those who briefed her." Today s CIA critics once urged the agency to do anything to fight al-Qaeda - The Washington Post



' The Constitution is not a"suicide pact."So wrote Robert Jackson in 1949.'
Constitution Is Not a Suicide Pact Charles J. Reid Jr.




It is if the Liberals/Progressives of the Democrat Party have their way.

Answering only yes or no,

would you object to Americans being tortured by an enemy? Would you withdraw your objection if the enemy could demonstrate that they had obtained actionable intelligence from the tortured Americans?

your question is moot. The USA has not tortured anyone. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are not torture.

So you have no moral, legal, ethical objection to an enemy waterboarding captured Americans?

You will take the side of the enemy if that issue ever comes up?

Can you promise to do that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Even you have to know that is just stupid.

Your ignorance of reality is not my responsibility.

Ok...I'll play along for a while longer. How exactly are you trying to link liberals to a Russian song? Has it been performed by any liberal group or referenced in any way? Which liberal, or which liberal group adopted that song? If you think just picking outa video and assigning it to an opponent is valid, then check out this republican classic

These were the aims of the Communist Party of the United States as reported in Congress, 1963:

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.


2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.


3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.


7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."


9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce


All are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders.

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals

LOL, You know ANYTHING can be put in the Congressional record? Right?

Remember Strom Thurmund reading the phone book filibustering civil rights? lol

But you are unable to deny that the Democrat Party endorses the very same aims as the Communist Party.

QED

I can deny it. It does not.

The Nazis supported a strong military. Does that make the Republican Party Nazis?

 

[Redfish]

Democrat Feinstein and the rest of the Liberal/Progressive clique are liars.



3. " Lesley Stahl interviews the former head of the CIA's Clandestine Service about waterboarding and other methods he says were essential to getting information from suspected terrorists, and he denies claims that these harsh measures caused detainees to provide false or unreliable information that misled the CIA. In fact, Rodriguez says that high-level detainees Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah provided their best information only after harsh treatment, a claim that the CIA's own investigator general has challenged."
Hard Measures Ex-CIA head defends post-9 11 tactics - CBS News




4. " WASHINGTON -- Congressional leaders were briefed in detail about techniques used in the Central Intelligence Agency's interrogation program, according to a new intelligence document.

The document appears to conflict with recent statements from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who was then the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee. Ms. Pelosi has said she hadn't been told that the CIA was using the technique known as waterboarding, or simulated drowning. According to the document, Ms. Pelosi was one of the first lawmakers briefed on the interrogations in 2002." CIA Says It Briefed Congressional Leaders - WSJ



a. "The leaders of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees and of both parties in Congress were briefed on the program more than 40 times between 2002 and 2009. But Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)tried to denythat she was told in 2002 that detainees had been waterboarded. That is simply not true. I was among those who briefed her." Today s CIA critics once urged the agency to do anything to fight al-Qaeda - The Washington Post



' The Constitution is not a"suicide pact."So wrote Robert Jackson in 1949.'
Constitution Is Not a Suicide Pact Charles J. Reid Jr.




It is if the Liberals/Progressives of the Democrat Party have their way.

Answering only yes or no,

would you object to Americans being tortured by an enemy? Would you withdraw your objection if the enemy could demonstrate that they had obtained actionable intelligence from the tortured Americans?

your question is moot. The USA has not tortured anyone. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are not torture.

So you have no moral, legal, ethical objection to an enemy waterboarding captured Americans?

You will take the side of the enemy if that issue ever comes up?

Can you promise to do that?

the japanese did it during WW2. American GIs are waterboarded as part of their training. We dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and killed hundreds of thousands. War is hell. There are no rules in war except kill the enemy before he kills you.

you liberal pussies need to wake up and understand how the real world works.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Democrats attempt to destroy America


The Democrats and other liberal fanatics aren't trying to destroy America.
They're trying to transform it into something they think is better.

They are unaware (or they refuse to believe) that the transformation they intend, will result in its deterioration, increasing poverty, less freedom, and its eventual destruction. Even though that has been the result when their "new ideas" have been tried on other large countries, nearly every time.

They believe that if they INTEND to transform it into something better, that's the only thing we need to consider when evaluating their schemes. Good intentions make for good programs, every time.

No proof is needed. Fortunately for them.

And unfortunately for the rest of the country.

So you think that putting the country back on the hook to bail out a handful of banks for their dangerous bets ......That's what caused our last meltdown.......and allowing super rich donors to increase their bids to buy politicians by 10 times are good for the country? You got any proof that either of those things will make life better for anyone but the super rich?

".That's what caused our last meltdown."

Wrong again.

What caused the mortgage meltdown was Democrats ignoring the Constitution, article 1, section 8, and deciding that the federal government should meddle in the private housing industry.


1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.
He created GSE's Fannie and Freddie to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA
Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.
Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.



That's the CliffNotes version.
I don't believe you can handle the details.

Once more since you stick to your LIES


Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse


Q When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?

A The general timeframe is it started late 2004.

From Bush’s President’s Working Group on Financial Markets October 2008

“The Presidents Working Group’s March policy statement acknowledged that turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007.”



Q Did the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter/Clinton caused it?


A "Since 1995 there has been essentially no change in the basic CRA rules or enforcement process that can be reasonably linked to the subprime lending activity. This fact weakens the link between the CRA and the current crisis since the crisis is rooted in poor performance of mortgage loans made between 2004 and 2007. "


..."Another form of easing facilitated the rapid rise of mortgages that didn't require borrowers to fully document their incomes. In 2006, these low- or no-doc loans comprised 81 percent of near-prime, 55 percent of jumbo, 50 percent of subprime and 36 percent of prime securitized mortgages."

Q HOLY JESUS! DID YOU JUST PROVE THAT OVER 50 % OF ALL MORTGAGES IN 2006 DIDN'T REQUIRE BORROWERS TO DOCUMENT THEIR INCOME?!?!?!?

A Yes.




Q WHO THE HELL LOANS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PEOPLE WITHOUT CHECKING THEIR INCOMES?!?!?

A Banks.

Q WHY??!?!!!?!

A Two reasons, greed and Bush's regulators let them

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

"When did the Bush Mortgage Bubble start?"

When Democrat Franklin Roosevelt created Fannie Mae in in 1938.

Democrat Feinstein and the rest of the Liberal/Progressive clique are liars.



3. " Lesley Stahl interviews the former head of the CIA's Clandestine Service about waterboarding and other methods he says were essential to getting information from suspected terrorists, and he denies claims that these harsh measures caused detainees to provide false or unreliable information that misled the CIA. In fact, Rodriguez says that high-level detainees Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah provided their best information only after harsh treatment, a claim that the CIA's own investigator general has challenged."
Hard Measures Ex-CIA head defends post-9 11 tactics - CBS News




4. " WASHINGTON -- Congressional leaders were briefed in detail about techniques used in the Central Intelligence Agency's interrogation program, according to a new intelligence document.

The document appears to conflict with recent statements from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who was then the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee. Ms. Pelosi has said she hadn't been told that the CIA was using the technique known as waterboarding, or simulated drowning. According to the document, Ms. Pelosi was one of the first lawmakers briefed on the interrogations in 2002." CIA Says It Briefed Congressional Leaders - WSJ



a. "The leaders of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees and of both parties in Congress were briefed on the program more than 40 times between 2002 and 2009. But Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)tried to denythat she was told in 2002 that detainees had been waterboarded. That is simply not true. I was among those who briefed her." Today s CIA critics once urged the agency to do anything to fight al-Qaeda - The Washington Post



' The Constitution is not a"suicide pact."So wrote Robert Jackson in 1949.'
Constitution Is Not a Suicide Pact Charles J. Reid Jr.




It is if the Liberals/Progressives of the Democrat Party have their way.

Answering only yes or no,

would you object to Americans being tortured by an enemy? Would you withdraw your objection if the enemy could demonstrate that they had obtained actionable intelligence from the tortured Americans?

your question is moot. The USA has not tortured anyone. Waterboarding and sleep deprivation are not torture.

So you have no moral, legal, ethical objection to an enemy waterboarding captured Americans?

You will take the side of the enemy if that issue ever comes up?

Can you promise to do that?

the japanese did it during WW2. American GIs are waterboarded as part of their training. We dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and killed hundreds of thousands. War is hell. There are no rules in war except kill the enemy before he kills you.

you liberal pussies need to wake up and understand how the real world works.

You didn't answer the questions.

btw, I'm a veteran and no we were not waterboarded as part of our training.