Dem Booed Over Birth Control at Town Hall

[Neotrotsky]

I hear that the messiah also had a tough time in CA last week.... apparently, people are a tad pissed at him lying to the Catholic Church... and it's not just Catholics.... "We're All Catholics Now". LOL

'messiah'? Who's that?

Eh... It's something rightwingnut loons like to call the president because they're Obama-deranged and drooling at the mouth.

I don't know where people could have gotten that idea


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[The T]

Which of us have demanded that the government or our employers pay for it?

Using it is one thing. Demanding it be given to you because you DESERVE it is something completely different.

Immie

No-one is "Demanding" that anyone pay for it.

Insurers are happy to pay for it themselves, BECAUSE IT'S LESS COSTLY THAN THE ALTERNATIVES.

Insurers make more profit, if they provide birth control. Duh.

And what 'alternative' is that? Obama's pronouncement that they HAVE TO provide for it when he doesn't have that power?

 

[Katzndogz]

Insurers are paying for nothing they will pass the increased costs onto the people paying premiums.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Too bad the only choice liberals want people to be able to make is the choice to have an abortion.

Bold statement in a thread attacking the left for supporting greater access to contraception.

Greater than what? According to the government 99% of women have used contraception at some point in their lives. Do you honestly think that mandating insurance companies cover it is going to improve that number?

 

[Greenbeard]

The left is not being attacked for supporting greater access to contraception. That is extremely decietful on your part. The left is being attacked for attempting to force businesses, in this case religious businesses to purchase a product they don't want to purchase.

If that's how you want to frame it, you've already lost. Most people think insurance packages should be required to cover contraception.

Although, really, virtually any frame of the issue is still a loser for you. This one's just especially bad, as "insurance market regulation is tyranny!" isn't quite as widespread a sentiment as you seem to think.

 

[Neotrotsky]

polls- so what

CNN Poll: Americans Oppose HHS Mandate 50% to 44%

CNN's results are roughly the same as two other recent polls: Rasmussen found that voters opposed Obama's policy 50% to 39%, and Pew found that voters opposed the policy 48% to 44%.

the telling factor was Papa Obama trying to step back from the
original HHS mandate- they know they stepped in it big
If their internal polls showed different- they would have done nothing

 

[The T]

polls- so what

CNN Poll: Americans Oppose HHS Mandate 50% to 44%

the telling factor was Papa Obama trying to step back from the
original HHS mandate- they know they stepped in it big

Obama hopes people will forget about it as he continues to claim that Insurance companies should pay for it...while forgetting HE doesn't have the power for that either.

NO...we won't forget...and Obama will be defeated on this alone.

Obama is an affront to individual Liberty...but i don't think he cares. He has plenty of mindless drones battling for him.

 

[Immanuel]

The left is not being attacked for supporting greater access to contraception. That is extremely decietful on your part. The left is being attacked for attempting to force businesses, in this case religious businesses to purchase a product they don't want to purchase.

If that's how you want to frame it, you've already lost. Most people think insurance packages should be required to cover contraception.

Although, really, virtually any frame of the issue is still a loser for you. This one's just especially bad, as "insurance market regulation is tyranny!" isn't quite as widespread a sentiment as you seem to think.

So what? Does the fact that slavery was an accepted practise mean that those who were opposed to it should have just accepted it and gone about their business?

Using your line of thinking, we should still be subjects of the Crown of England.

Immie

 

[Greenbeard]

So what? Does the fact that slavery was an accepted practise mean that those who were opposed to it should have just accepted it and gone about their business?

Regulating financial products is just like slavery. Totally.

 

[Immanuel]

The left is not being attacked for supporting greater access to contraception. That is extremely decietful on your part. The left is being attacked for attempting to force businesses, in this case religious businesses to purchase a product they don't want to purchase.

If that's how you want to frame it, you've already lost. Most people think insurance packages should be required to cover contraception.

Although, really, virtually any frame of the issue is still a loser for you. This one's just especially bad, as "insurance market regulation is tyranny!" isn't quite as widespread a sentiment as you seem to think.

Of course you don't think it is tyranny. You think forcing people to buy health insurance whether they can afford it or not or want it or not, is a gift from the Prophet Obama himself as well as forcing business who are on the verge of bankruptcy now to pay for it for their employees.

Immie

 

[Vast LWC]

Nope, liberals are attempting to force businesses in this case to pay for products they don't want to pay for.

But, to liberals, people don't have the choice to decide what products they want to pay for. Liberals know what is best for everyone and insist that everyone do just as they are told.

Immie

No-one on the liberal side of the fence is trying to force anyone to do what they don't want to do.

The Insurance companies are volunteering.

This is the way an Insurer thinks:

Birth Control is less costly than abortion,

Abortion is less costly than child birth.

As proponents of free market economics are quick to point out, corporations are not motivated by good or evil, their only motive is profit.

 

[Greenbeard]

Of course you don't think it is tyranny. You think forcing people to buy health insurance whether they can afford it or not or want it or not, is a gift from the Prophet Obama himself as well as forcing business who are on the verge of bankruptcy now to pay for it for their employees.

Have I suggested somewhere that I think the affordability exemptions to the mandate should be thrown out?

 

[saveliberty]

Well then, I hope you have good memory, because you're going to be pretty upset when he wins over all the shitty candidates you have competing against each other.

I heard the same stuff right here last election cycle. The left got handled bad. Please keep up the over confidence.

 

[Neotrotsky]

So what? Does the fact that slavery was an accepted practise mean that those who were opposed to it should have just accepted it and gone about their business?

Regulating financial products is just like slavery. Totally.

a civil relationship whereby one party has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune
a person must buy insurance for just being a US Citizen

yeah that sounds about right

 

[Immanuel]

So what? Does the fact that slavery was an accepted practise mean that those who were opposed to it should have just accepted it and gone about their business?

Regulating financial products is just like slavery. Totally.

Forcing those who don't want your products to purchase them is tyranny. Totally.

I know you are in the business in some way. I have often wanted to ask you, what you stand to gain from ACA. Might you be willing to disclose the fact that you will profit from it? Not even how much.

Immie

 

[Greenbeard]

Forcing those who don't want your products to purchase them is tyranny. Totally.

Is that a retreat from your slavery hysterics? Just wondering if upon reading it even you realized how absurd your arguments have become.

 

[Vast LWC]

The left is not being attacked for supporting greater access to contraception. That is extremely decietful on your part. The left is being attacked for attempting to force businesses, in this case religious businesses to purchase a product they don't want to purchase.

No, they are not. They are asking insurers to pay for it themselves. If the Catholic Church wants to become a Health Insurance company, and choose what they want to provide themselves, then you would have a case.

But of course, they wouldn't, because if they did, they would lose their tax-exempt status.

No one is saying that people can't have access to contraception.

As previously stated, no-one on this thread perhaps, but lots of peopl are in fact trying to deny people contraception.

What you are saying is that a business that would otherwise not choose to pay for its employee's access to contraception must pay for it. The business have not stated that employees could not purchase their own contraceptives, just that the employer is not going to pay for it. Funny, thing, how your side as insinuated yourselfs into very personal business decisions.

Immie

The business in question is not the Church, it is the insurer. It is the Church that is attempting to force insurers to provide insurance that is more costly for them. Insurers are more than happy to provide contraception to lower their costs.

 

[Neotrotsky]

I suppose even slave masters thought it strange that
some slaves wanted to be free

after all, they thought, they have it so good

 

[Immanuel]

Of course you don't think it is tyranny. You think forcing people to buy health insurance whether they can afford it or not or want it or not, is a gift from the Prophet Obama himself as well as forcing business who are on the verge of bankruptcy now to pay for it for their employees.

Have I suggested somewhere that I think the affordability exemptions to the mandate should be thrown out?

Despite those exemptions there are plenty of individuals who won't qualify for the exemptions, they will be just over the limits, who will suffer tremendously.

Immie

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Forcing those who don't want your products to purchase them is tyranny. Totally.

Is that a retreat for your slavery hysterics? Just wondering if upon reading it even you realized how absurd your arguments have become.

Funny how you took the time to edit out his question rather then answer it, or simply ignore it.