Could we put the lies about Biden to bed now?

[Slade3200]

then you get to support votes against against impeachment. You get to say that you’re not convinced. This is a public opinion game now. What happened is clear as day to me, I think you know it’s too. Trump leveraged the aid to get Ukraine to announce these investigations. Clear and simple. I‘d still vote with you though... against impeachment.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" isn't about anybody's freaking opinion.....You either have verifiable evidence of the crime or you don't.

correct... and Trump is being accused of high crimes, the republican attorney that they brought in front of congress even said as much. Now whether the Dems prove that case and convince the people that the events, evidence and supporting testimonies outlining these crimes happened is where we are at with impeachment

The Dems won't be able to prove their case. This is why The Dems denied DUE PROCESS, because they HAD NO CASE. It's like Seinfeld, an impeachment about nothing.

In The Senate, Hearsay, Rumor, Gossip, 3rd hand information will be inadmissible and so will all The FAKE and INVALID Opinions that accompanied them be INADMISSIBLE.

Sorry about your luck. The PAIN is COMING.

this is where your partisan blinders cause you to lose perspective. You say the Dems are denying due process because they aren’t allowing the witnesses that support the faux narratives that Trump is throwing out. These will all come to light during the senate trial where due process will be followed. The Dems were using the inquiry to stay on track and develop their charges. They followed the process outlined by the congress for an impeachment inquiry. All the Biden nonsense will be the republicans case to make in the senate. It was inconsequential to the Dems case in the house.

WRONG: They created a new process which was unprecedented that entirely denied DUE PROCESS. Try again, with your Propaganda Talking Points, or consult your handlers again on how to answer me or evade my direct questions like you have done.

here is a link to the full resolution outlining the process and a one page fact sheet... tell me how it differs from the
Clinton impeachment process...
——

The eight-page resolution calls for public hearings and lays out their general format, and specifically permits staff counsels to question witnesses for periods of up to 45 minutes per side, Democrats and Republicans. The resolution gives the minority the same rights to question witnesses that the majority has, " as has been true at every step of the inquiry," Democrats said in a fact sheet about the measure.

Read the full text of the resolution here.

 

[BluesLegend]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

kyzr, post: 23612791

I think that the remaining democrat candidates are all hoping that something appears from Burisma that links Joe Biden.

TrumpO has highly tainted any “something“ that could possibly come from Burisma. That’s why he must be impeached. TrumpO was corrupt to hold military aid unless Ukraine publicly announced an investigation into the Bidens.

If you think that was justifiable use of the most powerful office in the world just say so.

no need to dance around the edges.

 

[Slade3200]

then you get to support votes against against impeachment. You get to say that you’re not convinced. This is a public opinion game now. What happened is clear as day to me, I think you know it’s too. Trump leveraged the aid to get Ukraine to announce these investigations. Clear and simple. I‘d still vote with you though... against impeachment.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" isn't about anybody's freaking opinion.....You either have verifiable evidence of the crime or you don't.

correct... and Trump is being accused of high crimes, the republican attorney that they brought in front of congress even said as much. Now whether the Dems prove that case and convince the people that the events, evidence and supporting testimonies outlining these crimes happened is where we are at with impeachment

The Dems won't be able to prove their case. This is why The Dems denied DUE PROCESS, because they HAD NO CASE. It's like Seinfeld, an impeachment about nothing.

In The Senate, Hearsay, Rumor, Gossip, 3rd hand information will be inadmissible and so will all The FAKE and INVALID Opinions that accompanied them be INADMISSIBLE.

Sorry about your luck. The PAIN is COMING.

this is where your partisan blinders cause you to lose perspective. You say the Dems are denying due process because they aren’t allowing the witnesses that support the faux narratives that Trump is throwing out. These will all come to light during the senate trial where due process will be followed. The Dems were using the inquiry to stay on track and develop their charges. They followed the process outlined by the congress for an impeachment inquiry. All the Biden nonsense will be the republicans case to make in the senate. It was inconsequential to the Dems case in the house.

WRONG: They created a new process which was unprecedented that entirely denied DUE PROCESS. Try again, with your Propaganda Talking Points, or consult your handlers again on how to answer me or evade my direct questions like you have done.

also, I don’t intentionally evade any of your questions, I just don’t read all of your postings. I’ll read and then stop at the first lie or spin and just respond to that. With the way you post, I rarely make it through a full posting. If you have a direct question then ask me and I’ll be happy to answer it

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

You just exposed entire fallacy of the pro TrumpO lunatic fringe. TrumpO has found no evidence. If he did he dud not have to extort the Ukrainians he should have passed the evidence to the Justice Dept and let them figure out - grand Jury and all.
No public Ukrainian announcement. A secret US Grand Jury. Get it.

 

[Slade3200]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

of course they can, they just need to go through the proper process. Not hold up aid and use it for leverage to get a public announcement of an investigation into a political opponent and not by sending your personal attorney out there to back channel for dirt.

 

[mudwhistle]

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance
...................................................................................................................................................
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.

"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
....................................................................................................................................................
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.

A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine
......................................................................................................................................
Is there any evidence Old Joe pushed to have Shokin removed because of his kid's involvement with Burisma? No. How could there be since Shokin was not investigating Burisma? A fact that contributed to Shokin's dismissal demanded by the EU and the IMF for NOT adequately investigating corruption in Ukraine.

All the facts in evidence point to Trump's demand that an announcement be made the Bidens were being investigated by Ukraine had nothing to do with a realistic expectation anything nefarious would be found. Rather, Ukraine's acquiescence to conduct an investigation was what Don wanted because he knew it was enough to smear Biden.

Trump's belief has been borne out. Even though no investigation was launched and no evidence of wrongdoing exists millions of gullible rubes have it in their easily manipulated heads Biden is guilty of something............based on unsubstantiated innuendo.

Funny how Democrats attack American energy companies and hamper them at every turn,.... then they get their kids on boards of foreign energy companies and they make millions doing nothing. L

Conflict of interest much???

 

[BluesLegend]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

of course they can, they just need to go through the proper process. Not hold up aid and use it for leverage to get a public announcement of an investigation into a political opponent and not by sending your personal attorney out there to back channel for dirt.

Oh please ALL presidents use back channels don't be naïve.

 

[colfax_m]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

Why do the president in charge of running an investigation into Biden?

I thought that’s what the DoJ is for?

 

[AntonToo]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

of course they can, they just need to go through the proper process. Not hold up aid and use it for leverage to get a public announcement of an investigation into a political opponent and not by sending your personal attorney out there to back channel for dirt.

Oh please ALL presidents use back channels don't be naïve.

WTF? Which president asked a foreign country to investigate his political opposition instead of referring it to our justice department? You are just making this up.

The fact that there were demands that the investigation be announced publicly makes it 100% clear that this was about politics, not law enforcement.

 

[Leo123]

There’s no evidence Shokin was going after Burisma. In fact, the US State Dept believed Shokin’s prosecutors were extorting Burisma for bribes by keeping a dead case file open against them with no actual investigation. Just an example of the kind of corruption the State Dept was trying to help the Ukrainians expunge.

Oh for God's sake, do some reading other than the MSM.

"Former Vice President Joe Biden, now a 2020 Democratic presidential contender, has locked into a specific story about the controversy in Ukraine.

He insists that, in spring 2016, he strong-armed Ukraine to fire its chief prosecutor solely because Biden believed that official was corrupt and inept, not because the Ukrainian was investigating a natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, that hired Biden's son, Hunter, into a lucrative job.

There’s just one problem.

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative."

"The memos raise troubling questions:

1.) If the Ukraine prosecutor’s firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations as “false information?"

2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burisma’s American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?"

And.......

"Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me."

"On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation,” Shokin added."

Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story

 

[MisterBeale]

Wikileaks isn't "Russian Propaganda."

You do know that, don't you?

Does Wikileaks have anything to do with Trumpybear's coercion of Ukraine?

What "evidence from Russian Intelligence sources" are you talking about then? I guess I am out of the loop, fill me in. . .

. . . and who the hell is this "Trumpybear?" Will you act like an adult please? Do you want me to take you seriously?



I used to think you weren't one of those folks that hadn't let the cult of personality get to you. . . . like Lakota or Deano, or any of the other deranged folks. . . Seriously? Name calling now?

I love it when the Trumpsters get upset at anyone using a pet name for their Dear Leader, master of petulant pet naming conventions. But sure, I'll admit I'm shallow like that. Hell I voted against old Trumpybear, not for any policy he touted, but because of his face. I just couldn't imagine someone with a face like that as our president. Just look at that face! I can't believe we elected a guy with a face like that!

I just couldn't resit it. (Even got one for my mom, even though......hahaha).



3:50 p.m. ET, November 22, 2019
Senators were briefed on Russian campaign to blame Ukraine for 2016 election meddling in the fall

From CNN's Zachary Cohen

In a classified briefing this fall, US intelligence officials told senators and their aides that Russia has engaged in a years-long campaign to shift the blame away from Russia and onto Ukraine for interfering in the 2016 American presidential campaign, according to two US officials.

I'm not a Trumpster. I think he is loathsome, I think both sides are. If you paid more attention to my posts, you would know this. I think these guys should be impeached for war-crimes. If they were impeaching him for what he is doing in Bolivia? I would be all in support of that, you would have my endorsement, that is a war crime.

But nope, most of the DNC Senators approve of that shit.

I don't have a TEE VEE, and have never seen that commercial. I honestly have never watched it. That is absurd! Hilarious.

I can't imagine anyone would buy that. . is that satire?

As far as a CLASSIFIED BRIEFING? That CNN just happens to be able to tell the public about it? Are you serious? Where is your critical thinking man. You do know what the agenda is of the ruling class journalists and all the spies and pols in D.C.? This is clearly propaganda. Good grief.


Don't you believe and take the ruling class elites in Ukraine at their word DURING THE ACTUAL election, while it is happening? Are you so partisan that you deny reality? Is that how far your cognitive bias runs? Cognitive bias and dissonance much? Stop distorting reality to match your partisan proclivities.

It's not really a debunked theory just b/c ruling class journalists and CFR bureaucrats and spooks say it is. These are the same folks that let Hillary off with a warning for doing clearly illegal shit, why should we listen to them?



The FBI’s Outside Contractors, DNC Servers & Crowdstrike
The FBI’s Outside Contractors, DNC Servers & Crowdstrike

CrowdStrike: Five Things Everyone Is Ignoring About The Russia-DNC Story
CrowdStrike: Five Things Everyone Is Ignoring About The Russia-DNC Story

US Intel Vets Dispute Russia Hacking Claims

A Demand for Russian 'Hacking' Proof

Intel Vets Challenge 'Russia Hack' Evidence

VIPS Tells Media: Support for Brennan is Not Unanimous

VIPS: Mueller’s Forensics-Free Findings

From what it appears, the establishment and the corporate media are doing everything they can to deflect attention from the very real established facts of election meddling by the Ukrainian political establishment.

It seems to me, a real national and bureaucratic hypocrisy to focus on "Russian" meddling, while just giving a pass on Ukraine meddling that is an open secret.

No one seems to care.

Ukraine admitted to interfering in the 2016 US election on Clinton’s side
Ukraine admitted to interfering in the 2016 US election on Clinton’s side

". . . Thus, the audio recording made public in the Ukrainian media was one piece of evidence of Ukraine’s interference. According to it, a person with a voice similar to the voice of the head of Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU), Artem Sytnyk, admitted that he had supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 US election.

His office was responsible for publicly disclosing the contents of the Ukrainian «black ledger», which implicated Paul Manafort, to the media. The document contained a list of secret payments made by Ukraine’s Party of Regions to Manafort.

Earlier, the county administrative court of Kyiv had pledged the director of the NABU Artem Sytnyk, and a member of the Ukrainian Parliament Sergey Leshchenko guilty of publicizing the pre-trial investigation materials concerning Paul Manafort and election interference. The information was spread illegally and inflicted damage on the foreign policy of Ukraine.. . . . "

Translation:


Admit unlawful acts of the director of the NABU A. Sytnyk and the Ukrainian MP S. Leshchenko concerning the disclosure and distribution of the information about D. Trump’s campaign chairman P. Manafort and the presence of P.Manafort’s name and signatures in the lists of “The Party of Regions’ black ledgers” in the materials of the pre-trial investigation, which was the result of interference in the electoral processes of the United States of America in 2016 and harmed the interests of Ukraine.

Translation:


“The Party of Regions’ black ledgers” saved the world. Manafort, who was fed from Yanukovich’s hands, leaves with dishonor. Guess, after such a blow Trump will not recover.

P.S. We can clearly see the reaction of the Ukrainian politicians involved in “Yanukovich’s black ledgers”. Political culture – you’ve either got it or you haven’t”.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Never really though you were, but mostly it is them who whine about the Trumpybear nickname I use. I thought it was a spoof at first too.

On the Hacking or Phishing, DNC and Crowdstrike. The DNC didn't know their computer problems were caused by Russian hackers until after Crowstrike examined their network. They told the FBI and hired Crowdstrike.

1. Crowdstrike is a cyber Security firm, what is so unusual about appointing an expert to the Commission on Enhancing National Cybersecurity.

2. There is no single server. The network contain around 140 virtual machines that simple could not be loaded up and hauled away to the FBI's, or Crowedstrike's lab for analysis. The most important part is the CPU activity and the processes in main memory.

3. Garbage made out of technical terms and misconception like there was a physical server. Once the servers were shut down the only thing left are copies of the hard drives and copies of main memory. Crowdstrike says they turned it all over to the FBI and there are no requests from the FBI pending.

4 & 5 are just loose associations.

1. Crowdstrike has corporate ties and is part of the interlocking directorate with Google and it contributed to the DNC and Hillary campaign. It also was intimately connected to the Obama administration.
CrowdStrike: Five Things Everyone Is Ignoring About The Russia-DNC Story
This is why anything coming from their analysis is not trust worthy.
Google, others invested $256 million into CrowdStrike so Democrats can use FBI wiretap data to regain Congress -brassballs.blog

Can you blame the GOP for not trusting them?

2. Fair enough, the CPU should have been turned over, it was not. The FBI should have had access, it was not allowed.

3. Again, hard drives were squirreled away and a cover up commenced. Tactics of analysis were questionable, as Crowdstike is known to have made mistakes before.
CrowdStrike Revises Russian Hack Into Ukrainian Artillery
Crowdstrike has lied about turning stuff over to the FBI. Your post is factually inaccurate.
The FBI says the Democratic Party wouldn't let agents see the hacked email servers

You may say 4 & 5 are loose associations, but that is all that anyone has to say about Russia or any other nation trying to influence the U.S. elections, loose associations, nothing official.

Face it, I back my shit up with sources, your garbage posts are just that, propaganda.

 

[Slade3200]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

of course they can, they just need to go through the proper process. Not hold up aid and use it for leverage to get a public announcement of an investigation into a political opponent and not by sending your personal attorney out there to back channel for dirt.

Oh please ALL presidents use back channels don't be naïve.

True but not like this.

 

[colfax_m]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

of course they can, they just need to go through the proper process. Not hold up aid and use it for leverage to get a public announcement of an investigation into a political opponent and not by sending your personal attorney out there to back channel for dirt.

Oh please ALL presidents use back channels don't be naïve.

It’s been an open question as to whether Giuliani was acting as a part of the government or as a private lawyer.

Giuliani has claimed both at different times.

If Giuliani was acting on behalf of US foreign policy, it’s bad. That would make him subject to all oversight, records keeping rules and FOIA requests applied to all government agencies.

 

[Slade3200]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

of course they can, they just need to go through the proper process. Not hold up aid and use it for leverage to get a public announcement of an investigation into a political opponent and not by sending your personal attorney out there to back channel for dirt.

Oh please ALL presidents use back channels don't be naïve.

WTF? Which president asked a foreign country to investigate his political opposition instead of reffering it to our justice department?

The fact that there where demands that the investigation be announced publicly makess 100% clear that this was about politics, not law enforcement.

According to BluesLegend logic watergate was oppo research... everybody does it.

 

[berg80]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

But.............he found no evidence.............cuz there is no evidence.

 

[Slade3200]

Biden's son gets millions from the most corrupt company in the Ukraine, no not one smidgeon of corruption. #massivesarcasm

Let me get this straight.

Nancy Pelosi, The Anti-Semitic Squad, Schiff, Nadler and The Democrats want the following:

The Democrats want us to EXONERATE Joe Biden for Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

The Democrats want us to IMPEACH President Trump for asking about Joe Biden Extorting The Ukraine to Fire a Prosecutor Investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma

No its far worse than that. If a new president finds evidence suggesting corruption, extortion, a former VP abusing his office by trading favors for money, the new president can't even investigate under threat of impeachment. Apparently Joe Biden is above the law, just like so many other corrupt Dem's.

of course they can, they just need to go through the proper process. Not hold up aid and use it for leverage to get a public announcement of an investigation into a political opponent and not by sending your personal attorney out there to back channel for dirt.

Oh please ALL presidents use back channels don't be naïve.

It’s been an open question as to whether Giuliani was acting as a part of the government or as a private lawyer.

Giuliani has claimed both at different times.

If Giuliani was acting on behalf of US foreign policy, it’s bad. That would make him subject to all oversight, records keeping rules and FOIA requests applied to all government agencies.

Even Matt Gaetz is expressing concern over what Rudy is doing. Did so last night on Cuomos show. And Gaetz was surprisingly clear even though he was speaking with his head literally inside trumps butthole. Don’t know how they got a microphone in there.

 

[The Original Tree]

"High crimes and misdemeanors" isn't about anybody's freaking opinion.....You either have verifiable evidence of the crime or you don't.

correct... and Trump is being accused of high crimes, the republican attorney that they brought in front of congress even said as much. Now whether the Dems prove that case and convince the people that the events, evidence and supporting testimonies outlining these crimes happened is where we are at with impeachment

The Dems won't be able to prove their case. This is why The Dems denied DUE PROCESS, because they HAD NO CASE. It's like Seinfeld, an impeachment about nothing.

In The Senate, Hearsay, Rumor, Gossip, 3rd hand information will be inadmissible and so will all The FAKE and INVALID Opinions that accompanied them be INADMISSIBLE.

Sorry about your luck. The PAIN is COMING.

this is where your partisan blinders cause you to lose perspective. You say the Dems are denying due process because they aren’t allowing the witnesses that support the faux narratives that Trump is throwing out. These will all come to light during the senate trial where due process will be followed. The Dems were using the inquiry to stay on track and develop their charges. They followed the process outlined by the congress for an impeachment inquiry. All the Biden nonsense will be the republicans case to make in the senate. It was inconsequential to the Dems case in the house.

WRONG: They created a new process which was unprecedented that entirely denied DUE PROCESS. Try again, with your Propaganda Talking Points, or consult your handlers again on how to answer me or evade my direct questions like you have done.

here is a link to the full resolution outlining the process and a one page fact sheet... tell me how it differs from the
Clinton impeachment process...
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The eight-page resolution calls for public hearings and lays out their general format, and specifically permits staff counsels to question witnesses for periods of up to 45 minutes per side, Democrats and Republicans. The resolution gives the minority the same rights to question witnesses that the majority has, " as has been true at every step of the inquiry," Democrats said in a fact sheet about the measure.

Read the full text of the resolution here.

At first you were arguing that Schiff and NADLER did not have to Observe DUE Process. Now that I debunked that horse crap, you are trying to convince me they observed DUE PROCESS.

Wrong since Schiff and Nadler denied THE GOP the right to call the witnesses they wanted they are denying Due Process. It is an unprecedented process devoid of DUE PROCESS. They wrote new rules, and even ran this in a Committee that is not supposed to even be involved with impeachment inquiries. And the Committee that was had nothing but a clown show with 4 Democrats spouting off their biased opinions with only one of them even attempting to be honest in another kangaroo court hearing in which Nadler stacked the deck in his favor by a 3-1 margin.

 

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Why do the president in charge of running an investigation into Biden?

I thought that’s what the DoJ is for?

Because Biden gave a bribe to get a foreign prosecutor fired in a corrupt country along with Ukraine being a country that may have tried to influence an American U.S. Presidential election. It is the President's job to look into corruption where U.S. aid dollars are given.

 

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Does Wikileaks have anything to do with Trumpybear's coercion of Ukraine?

What "evidence from Russian Intelligence sources" are you talking about then? I guess I am out of the loop, fill me in. . .

. . . and who the hell is this "Trumpybear?" Will you act like an adult please? Do you want me to take you seriously?



I used to think you weren't one of those folks that hadn't let the cult of personality get to you. . . . like Lakota or Deano, or any of the other deranged folks. . . Seriously? Name calling now?

I love it when the Trumpsters get upset at anyone using a pet name for their Dear Leader, master of petulant pet naming conventions. But sure, I'll admit I'm shallow like that. Hell I voted against old Trumpybear, not for any policy he touted, but because of his face. I just couldn't imagine someone with a face like that as our president. Just look at that face! I can't believe we elected a guy with a face like that!

I just couldn't resit it. (Even got one for my mom, even though......hahaha).



3:50 p.m. ET, November 22, 2019
Senators were briefed on Russian campaign to blame Ukraine for 2016 election meddling in the fall

From CNN's Zachary Cohen

In a classified briefing this fall, US intelligence officials told senators and their aides that Russia has engaged in a years-long campaign to shift the blame away from Russia and onto Ukraine for interfering in the 2016 American presidential campaign, according to two US officials.

I'm not a Trumpster. I think he is loathsome, I think both sides are. If you paid more attention to my posts, you would know this. I think these guys should be impeached for war-crimes. If they were impeaching him for what he is doing in Bolivia? I would be all in support of that, you would have my endorsement, that is a war crime.

But nope, most of the DNC Senators approve of that shit.

I don't have a TEE VEE, and have never seen that commercial. I honestly have never watched it. That is absurd! Hilarious.

I can't imagine anyone would buy that. . is that satire?

As far as a CLASSIFIED BRIEFING? That CNN just happens to be able to tell the public about it? Are you serious? Where is your critical thinking man. You do know what the agenda is of the ruling class journalists and all the spies and pols in D.C.? This is clearly propaganda. Good grief.


Don't you believe and take the ruling class elites in Ukraine at their word DURING THE ACTUAL election, while it is happening? Are you so partisan that you deny reality? Is that how far your cognitive bias runs? Cognitive bias and dissonance much? Stop distorting reality to match your partisan proclivities.

It's not really a debunked theory just b/c ruling class journalists and CFR bureaucrats and spooks say it is. These are the same folks that let Hillary off with a warning for doing clearly illegal shit, why should we listen to them?



The FBI’s Outside Contractors, DNC Servers & Crowdstrike
The FBI’s Outside Contractors, DNC Servers & Crowdstrike

CrowdStrike: Five Things Everyone Is Ignoring About The Russia-DNC Story
CrowdStrike: Five Things Everyone Is Ignoring About The Russia-DNC Story

US Intel Vets Dispute Russia Hacking Claims

A Demand for Russian 'Hacking' Proof

Intel Vets Challenge 'Russia Hack' Evidence

VIPS Tells Media: Support for Brennan is Not Unanimous

VIPS: Mueller’s Forensics-Free Findings

From what it appears, the establishment and the corporate media are doing everything they can to deflect attention from the very real established facts of election meddling by the Ukrainian political establishment.

It seems to me, a real national and bureaucratic hypocrisy to focus on "Russian" meddling, while just giving a pass on Ukraine meddling that is an open secret.

No one seems to care.

Ukraine admitted to interfering in the 2016 US election on Clinton’s side
Ukraine admitted to interfering in the 2016 US election on Clinton’s side

". . . Thus, the audio recording made public in the Ukrainian media was one piece of evidence of Ukraine’s interference. According to it, a person with a voice similar to the voice of the head of Ukraine’s National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU), Artem Sytnyk, admitted that he had supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 US election.

His office was responsible for publicly disclosing the contents of the Ukrainian «black ledger», which implicated Paul Manafort, to the media. The document contained a list of secret payments made by Ukraine’s Party of Regions to Manafort.

Earlier, the county administrative court of Kyiv had pledged the director of the NABU Artem Sytnyk, and a member of the Ukrainian Parliament Sergey Leshchenko guilty of publicizing the pre-trial investigation materials concerning Paul Manafort and election interference. The information was spread illegally and inflicted damage on the foreign policy of Ukraine.. . . . "

Translation:


Admit unlawful acts of the director of the NABU A. Sytnyk and the Ukrainian MP S. Leshchenko concerning the disclosure and distribution of the information about D. Trump’s campaign chairman P. Manafort and the presence of P.Manafort’s name and signatures in the lists of “The Party of Regions’ black ledgers” in the materials of the pre-trial investigation, which was the result of interference in the electoral processes of the United States of America in 2016 and harmed the interests of Ukraine.

Translation:


“The Party of Regions’ black ledgers” saved the world. Manafort, who was fed from Yanukovich’s hands, leaves with dishonor. Guess, after such a blow Trump will not recover.

P.S. We can clearly see the reaction of the Ukrainian politicians involved in “Yanukovich’s black ledgers”. Political culture – you’ve either got it or you haven’t”.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Never really though you were, but mostly it is them who whine about the Trumpybear nickname I use. I thought it was a spoof at first too.

On the Hacking or Phishing, DNC and Crowdstrike. The DNC didn't know their computer problems were caused by Russian hackers until after Crowstrike examined their network. They told the FBI and hired Crowdstrike.

1. Crowdstrike is a cyber Security firm, what is so unusual about appointing an expert to the Commission on Enhancing National Cybersecurity.

2. There is no single server. The network contain around 140 virtual machines that simple could not be loaded up and hauled away to the FBI's, or Crowedstrike's lab for analysis. The most important part is the CPU activity and the processes in main memory.

3. Garbage made out of technical terms and misconception like there was a physical server. Once the servers were shut down the only thing left are copies of the hard drives and copies of main memory. Crowdstrike says they turned it all over to the FBI and there are no requests from the FBI pending.

4 & 5 are just loose associations.

1. Crowdstrike has corporate ties and is part of the interlocking directorate with Google and it contributed to the DNC and Hillary campaign. It also was intimately connected to the Obama administration.
CrowdStrike: Five Things Everyone Is Ignoring About The Russia-DNC Story
This is why anything coming from their analysis is not trust worthy.
Google, others invested $256 million into CrowdStrike so Democrats can use FBI wiretap data to regain Congress -brassballs.blog

Can you blame the GOP for not trusting them?

2. Fair enough, the CPU should have been turned over, it was not. The FBI should have had access, it was not allowed.

3. Again, hard drives were squirreled away and a cover up commenced. Tactics of analysis were questionable, as Crowdstike is known to have made mistakes before.
CrowdStrike Revises Russian Hack Into Ukrainian Artillery
Crowdstrike has lied about turning stuff over to the FBI. Your post is factually inaccurate.
The FBI says the Democratic Party wouldn't let agents see the hacked email servers

You may say 4 & 5 are loose associations, but that is all that anyone has to say about Russia or any other nation trying to influence the U.S. elections, loose associations, nothing official.

Face it, I back my shit up with sources, your garbage posts are just that, propaganda.

Crowdstrike is well known in industry for their strong work. The GOP continues to use them for cyber security consulting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...conspiracy-theories/5dbf22d488e0fa10ffd20b34/

The servers weren’t turned over because they had a campaign to run and needed the hardware up and running. Crowdstrike did the industry standard and took images of the servers before rolling them back. The FBI had plenty of access to the images which was more than enough on its own, but had also done considerable work outside the submitted data to reach the conclusion of a Russian hack.

Demystifying CrowdStrike Conspiracy Theories—Cyber Saturday