Could we put the lies about Biden to bed now?

[Oddball]

I think right wingers don't particularly care if he's actually guilty or not. They think he's bad and they want their person to win, so they'll instigate and throw shit around regardless. It's the same thing left wingers do in regard to Trump.

ding ding ding... we have a winner.

the wing nuts don’t care about facts, they just need enough to smear and make accusations. The sad part is the volume of people engaging in this kind of behavior.

The President is NOT GUILTY and is PRESUMED INNOCENT. Why don't you Foreign Hacks understand our Justice System?

He'll be Exonerated in The Senate but Some really bad news for The Democrat Party will be exposed during that DUE PROCESS proceeding.

we aren’t in court smart guy. A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here so playing your little prove this and that games are meaningless. Impeachment is political, he isn’t being indicted of a crime, just fired from his job. It just needs votes. I again will say I think it’s a horrible idea, I agree with you there. But your arguments are weak and ineffective.

The standard of evidence isn't "A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here"....If you have no hard evidence, you have no case.

 

[The Original Tree]

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance
...................................................................................................................................................
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.

"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
....................................................................................................................................................
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.

A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine
......................................................................................................................................
Is there any evidence Old Joe pushed to have Shokin removed because of his kid's involvement with Burisma? No. How could there be since Shokin was not investigating Burisma? A fact that contributed to Shokin's dismissal demanded by the EU and the IMF for NOT adequately investigating corruption in Ukraine.

All the facts in evidence point to Trump's demand that an announcement be made the Bidens were being investigated by Ukraine had nothing to do with a realistic expectation anything nefarious would be found. Rather, Ukraine's acquiescence to conduct an investigation was what Don wanted because he knew it was enough to smear Biden.

Trump's belief has been borne out. Even though no investigation was launched and no evidence of wrongdoing exists millions of gullible rubes have it in their easily manipulated heads Biden is guilty of something............based on unsubstantiated innuendo.

Biden was point-man for investigating corruption in the Ukraine in the Obama admin. He is the one who represented Shokin as corrupt because Shokin was investigating Biden's son Hunter. Naturally then "The united states and other Western nations' called for Shokin's ousting. You have been duped.

One problem. We have a bunch of people under oath who stated that many people at State Dept thought Shokin was corrupt. We also have statements from people before during and after Biden’s involvement complaining about Shokin’s corruption.

You’ve been fed a false narrative.

Why is Shokin a Free man living openly in Ukraine and the Corrupt Officials and friends of The Bidens he was Supposed to Investigate all FLED to Mother RUSSIA when an ANTI-Corruption Government was elected to power?

Care to explain that?

Russia 'helped Yanukovych to flee'

Why was The Obama Administration trying to help Corrupt Ukrainians stay in Office and why were they opposing Anti-Corruption Candidates in The Ukraine?

The Oligarchs Who Lost Ukraine and Won Washington

 

[Slade3200]

I think right wingers don't particularly care if he's actually guilty or not. They think he's bad and they want their person to win, so they'll instigate and throw shit around regardless. It's the same thing left wingers do in regard to Trump.

ding ding ding... we have a winner.

the wing nuts don’t care about facts, they just need enough to smear and make accusations. The sad part is the volume of people engaging in this kind of behavior.

The President is NOT GUILTY and is PRESUMED INNOCENT. Why don't you Foreign Hacks understand our Justice System?

He'll be Exonerated in The Senate but Some really bad news for The Democrat Party will be exposed during that DUE PROCESS proceeding.

we aren’t in court smart guy. A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here so playing your little prove this and that games are meaningless. Impeachment is political, he isn’t being indicted of a crime, just fired from his job. It just needs votes. I again will say I think it’s a horrible idea, I agree with you there. But your arguments are weak and ineffective.

You are Right, Adolph Schiffler and Nazi Nadler were not running a court proceeding, but it was an official Government Proceeding and by Law Requires DUE PROCESS.

There was no evidence presented in the clown show, so pretty much every single page of this Impeachment Inquiry will be INADMISSABLE in The Senate Impeachment Trial.

And from there, THE HAMMER will fall on the whole process and everyone involved in it, and additionally more corruption will be exposed from Burisma, to The Ukraine Embassy, from The Bidens, to The Podesta Group, to Fusion GPS, COIE Perkins, to the origination of The Dirty Dossier and violations of Campaign Finance & Money Laundering, right down to Russian Spies Working for The Obama White House and Clinton Campaign.

It's going to be good, and you and many of your Cohorts will flee from this message board like The Cowards you are, not wanting to sit here and take your comeuppance, and hear all the "I told you sos."

But the best part of your suffering will be on November 2020. It will rival or even surpass your weeping and gnashing of teeth that occurred on November 2016.

We will feast on your pain.

You’re straight up lying now. Impeachment inquiry is like taking depositions. The congressional process was followed, same that happened for Clinton. Witness testimony is evidence. Trail and the due process you are talking about happens once charges aren’t filed and the case goes to the senate. Get it straight man, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[busybee01]

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance
...................................................................................................................................................
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.

"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
....................................................................................................................................................
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.

A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine
......................................................................................................................................
Is there any evidence Old Joe pushed to have Shokin removed because of his kid's involvement with Burisma? No. How could there be since Shokin was not investigating Burisma? A fact that contributed to Shokin's dismissal demanded by the EU and the IMF for NOT adequately investigating corruption in Ukraine.

All the facts in evidence point to Trump's demand that an announcement be made the Bidens were being investigated by Ukraine had nothing to do with a realistic expectation anything nefarious would be found. Rather, Ukraine's acquiescence to conduct an investigation was what Don wanted because he knew it was enough to smear Biden.

Trump's belief has been borne out. Even though no investigation was launched and no evidence of wrongdoing exists millions of gullible rubes have it in their easily manipulated heads Biden is guilty of something............based on unsubstantiated innuendo.

The fact that Shokin was corrupt was evident even to Ukrainians. There were large protests against Shokin in Ukraine and a anti-corruption activist made this clear.

 

[Dana7360]

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance
...................................................................................................................................................
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.

"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
....................................................................................................................................................
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.

A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine
......................................................................................................................................
Is there any evidence Old Joe pushed to have Shokin removed because of his kid's involvement with Burisma? No. How could there be since Shokin was not investigating Burisma? A fact that contributed to Shokin's dismissal demanded by the EU and the IMF for NOT adequately investigating corruption in Ukraine.

All the facts in evidence point to Trump's demand that an announcement be made the Bidens were being investigated by Ukraine had nothing to do with a realistic expectation anything nefarious would be found. Rather, Ukraine's acquiescence to conduct an investigation was what Don wanted because he knew it was enough to smear Biden.

Trump's belief has been borne out. Even though no investigation was launched and no evidence of wrongdoing exists millions of gullible rubes have it in their easily manipulated heads Biden is guilty of something............based on unsubstantiated innuendo.

No they will never stop spewing those lies. Just like every other lie the far right radical extremists have been repeating for decades. Even though the lies have been debunked over and over for decades.

You're dealing with people who believe Obama is from Kenya and Michelle Obama is a man. So that's the level of intelligence and honesty you're going to ever get from these far right radical extremists.

They will never stop with the lies. That's all they have. Truth and reality certainly aren't on their side.

 

[busybee01]

It's the same thing left wingers do in regard to Trump.

Is it? What shit have Dems been throwing around about Trump that isn't legit?

Russia collusion
Obstruction
Extortion
Emoluments violations
Bribery
Campaign violations
Money laundering
Tax evasion
Soliciting a foreign power to aid his campaign and smear an opponent

All of it is legit.

 

[colfax_m]

But I don't think anything illegal is going on with either Biden or Trump profiting on their name only.

Except for that pesky Emoluments Clause.

If it is in a blind trust while they are president, and they know not who is patronizing their properties or ownership of these things? There isn't any undue influence.


That shit where he wanted to host the G8 at his golf course though? That was pretty over the top.

Spending at Trump properties by politicians went from $69k to $19 million. That’s an increase in 27500%. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence.

 

[Slade3200]

I think right wingers don't particularly care if he's actually guilty or not. They think he's bad and they want their person to win, so they'll instigate and throw shit around regardless. It's the same thing left wingers do in regard to Trump.

ding ding ding... we have a winner.

the wing nuts don’t care about facts, they just need enough to smear and make accusations. The sad part is the volume of people engaging in this kind of behavior.

The President is NOT GUILTY and is PRESUMED INNOCENT. Why don't you Foreign Hacks understand our Justice System?

He'll be Exonerated in The Senate but Some really bad news for The Democrat Party will be exposed during that DUE PROCESS proceeding.

we aren’t in court smart guy. A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here so playing your little prove this and that games are meaningless. Impeachment is political, he isn’t being indicted of a crime, just fired from his job. It just needs votes. I again will say I think it’s a horrible idea, I agree with you there. But your arguments are weak and ineffective.

The standard of evidence isn't "A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here"....If you have no hard evidence, you have no case.

then you get to support votes against against impeachment. You get to say that you’re not convinced. This is a public opinion game now. What happened is clear as day to me, I think you know it’s too. Trump leveraged the aid to get Ukraine to announce these investigations. Clear and simple. I‘d still vote with you though... against impeachment. At least I can be honest about what’s going on.

 

[colfax_m]

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance
...................................................................................................................................................
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.

"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
....................................................................................................................................................
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.

A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine
......................................................................................................................................
Is there any evidence Old Joe pushed to have Shokin removed because of his kid's involvement with Burisma? No. How could there be since Shokin was not investigating Burisma? A fact that contributed to Shokin's dismissal demanded by the EU and the IMF for NOT adequately investigating corruption in Ukraine.

All the facts in evidence point to Trump's demand that an announcement be made the Bidens were being investigated by Ukraine had nothing to do with a realistic expectation anything nefarious would be found. Rather, Ukraine's acquiescence to conduct an investigation was what Don wanted because he knew it was enough to smear Biden.

Trump's belief has been borne out. Even though no investigation was launched and no evidence of wrongdoing exists millions of gullible rubes have it in their easily manipulated heads Biden is guilty of something............based on unsubstantiated innuendo.

Biden was point-man for investigating corruption in the Ukraine in the Obama admin. He is the one who represented Shokin as corrupt because Shokin was investigating Biden's son Hunter. Naturally then "The united states and other Western nations' called for Shokin's ousting. You have been duped.

One problem. We have a bunch of people under oath who stated that many people at State Dept thought Shokin was corrupt. We also have statements from people before during and after Biden’s involvement complaining about Shokin’s corruption.

You’ve been fed a false narrative.

Why is Shokin a Free man living openly in Ukraine and the Corrupt Officials and friends of The Bidens he was Supposed to Investigate all FLED to Mother RUSSIA when an ANTI-Corruption Government was elected to power?

Care to explain that?

Russia 'helped Yanukovych to flee'

Why was The Obama Administration trying to help Corrupt Ukrainians stay in Office and why were they opposing Anti-Corruption Candidates in The Ukraine?

The Oligarchs Who Lost Ukraine and Won Washington

We don’t actually investigate corruption in Ukraine. Those are Ukrainian legal matters. The most we can do is help them generate a strong justice system which has been challenging. Shokin’s replacement, Lutsenko, was initially felt to be a good choice but failed to live up to expectations.

 

[Oddball]

I think right wingers don't particularly care if he's actually guilty or not. They think he's bad and they want their person to win, so they'll instigate and throw shit around regardless. It's the same thing left wingers do in regard to Trump.

ding ding ding... we have a winner.

the wing nuts don’t care about facts, they just need enough to smear and make accusations. The sad part is the volume of people engaging in this kind of behavior.

The President is NOT GUILTY and is PRESUMED INNOCENT. Why don't you Foreign Hacks understand our Justice System?

He'll be Exonerated in The Senate but Some really bad news for The Democrat Party will be exposed during that DUE PROCESS proceeding.

we aren’t in court smart guy. A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here so playing your little prove this and that games are meaningless. Impeachment is political, he isn’t being indicted of a crime, just fired from his job. It just needs votes. I again will say I think it’s a horrible idea, I agree with you there. But your arguments are weak and ineffective.

The standard of evidence isn't "A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here"....If you have no hard evidence, you have no case.

then you get to support votes against against impeachment. You get to say that you’re not convinced. This is a public opinion game now. What happened is clear as day to me, I think you know it’s too. Trump leveraged the aid to get Ukraine to announce these investigations. Clear and simple. I‘d still vote with you though... against impeachment.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" isn't about anybody's freaking opinion.....You either have verifiable evidence of the crime or you don't.

 

[The Original Tree]

I think right wingers don't particularly care if he's actually guilty or not. They think he's bad and they want their person to win, so they'll instigate and throw shit around regardless. It's the same thing left wingers do in regard to Trump.

ding ding ding... we have a winner.

the wing nuts don’t care about facts, they just need enough to smear and make accusations. The sad part is the volume of people engaging in this kind of behavior.

The President is NOT GUILTY and is PRESUMED INNOCENT. Why don't you Foreign Hacks understand our Justice System?

He'll be Exonerated in The Senate but Some really bad news for The Democrat Party will be exposed during that DUE PROCESS proceeding.

we aren’t in court smart guy. A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here so playing your little prove this and that games are meaningless. Impeachment is political, he isn’t being indicted of a crime, just fired from his job. It just needs votes. I again will say I think it’s a horrible idea, I agree with you there. But your arguments are weak and ineffective.

You are Right, Adolph Schiffler and Nazi Nadler were not running a court proceeding, but it was an official Government Proceeding and by Law Requires DUE PROCESS.

There was no evidence presented in the clown show, so pretty much every single page of this Impeachment Inquiry will be INADMISSABLE in The Senate Impeachment Trial.

And from there, THE HAMMER will fall on the whole process and everyone involved in it, and additionally more corruption will be exposed from Burisma, to The Ukraine Embassy, from The Bidens, to The Podesta Group, to Fusion GPS, COIE Perkins, to the origination of The Dirty Dossier and violations of Campaign Finance & Money Laundering, right down to Russian Spies Working for The Obama White House and Clinton Campaign.

It's going to be good, and you and many of your Cohorts will flee from this message board like The Cowards you are, not wanting to sit here and take your comeuppance, and hear all the "I told you sos."

But the best part of your suffering will be on November 2020. It will rival or even surpass your weeping and gnashing of teeth that occurred on November 2016.

We will feast on your pain.

You’re straight up lying now. Impeachment inquiry is like taking depositions. The congressional process was followed, same that happened for Clinton. Witness testimony is evidence. Trail and the due process you are talking about happens once charges aren’t filed and the case goes to the senate. Get it straight man, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why did The Obama Administration throw Millions of Dollars in to The Ukraine Elections to Prop up Corrupt Ukrainian Politicians and to help defeat unsuccessfully The Anti - Corruption Government that was elected in The Ukraine?

Hell, while I am at it, why did Obama do the same and throw millions of dollars in to The Israeli Elections? Why did he have CIA Operatives in Ukraine and Israel trying to interfere in those elections?

 

[The Original Tree]

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”
Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance
...................................................................................................................................................
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says
Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

A former Ukrainian prosecutor who investigated a gas company tied to Hunter Biden said Thursday that there was no evidence the former vice president's son engaged in illegal activity.

"From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” Yuriy Lutsenko told The Washington Post.
....................................................................................................................................................
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine

At the time of his board appointment, the younger Mr. Biden had just been discharged from the Navy Reserve for drug use. He had no apparent experience in Ukraine or natural gas. And while accepting the board position was legal, it reportedly raised some eyebrows in the Obama administration. The Burisma board position was lucrative: Mr. Biden received payments that reached up to $50,000 per month.

A year later, Viktor Shokin became Ukraine’s prosecutor general, a job similar to the attorney general in the United States. He vowed to keep investigating Burisma amid an international push to root out corruption in Ukraine.

But the investigation went dormant under Mr. Shokin. In the fall of 2015, Joe Biden joined the chorus of Western officials calling for Mr. Shokin’s ouster. The next March, Mr. Shokin was fired. A subsequent prosecutor cleared Mr. Zlochevsky.
Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine
......................................................................................................................................
Is there any evidence Old Joe pushed to have Shokin removed because of his kid's involvement with Burisma? No. How could there be since Shokin was not investigating Burisma? A fact that contributed to Shokin's dismissal demanded by the EU and the IMF for NOT adequately investigating corruption in Ukraine.

All the facts in evidence point to Trump's demand that an announcement be made the Bidens were being investigated by Ukraine had nothing to do with a realistic expectation anything nefarious would be found. Rather, Ukraine's acquiescence to conduct an investigation was what Don wanted because he knew it was enough to smear Biden.

Trump's belief has been borne out. Even though no investigation was launched and no evidence of wrongdoing exists millions of gullible rubes have it in their easily manipulated heads Biden is guilty of something............based on unsubstantiated innuendo.

The fact that Shokin was corrupt was evident even to Ukrainians. There were large protests against Shokin in Ukraine and a anti-corruption activist made this clear.

George Soros paid for those Protests because Shokin was investigating SOROS inteference in Elections.

Joe Biden extorted The Ukraine to get both The Burisma Investigation Shut Down, and The Investigation in to Soros Election Tampering and Interference shut down.

Soros is a major donor both to ANTIFA, MoveOn.Org, sponsored numerous Caravan Invasions at our Southern Border and gives BILLIONS to other Leftist Socialist Groups, and is a major donor to both Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama....and best yet, JOE BIDEN.

Just a word of advice. You aren't dealing with an uninformed useful idiot and pawn of Communists and Socialists that you usually are used to dealing with and who are easily swayed by your bullshit.

 

[Leo123]

We don’t actually investigate corruption in Ukraine. Those are Ukrainian legal matters. The most we can do is help them generate a strong justice system which has been challenging. Shokin’s replacement, Lutsenko, was initially felt to be a good choice but failed to live up to expectations.

Then how did Biden get Shokin fired if 'we' don't investigate corruption in Ukraine? Hmmmmmm, must have been a BRIBE. The BRIBE that Biden admitted to on video.

 

[MisterBeale]

I think right wingers don't particularly care if he's actually guilty or not. They think he's bad and they want their person to win, so they'll instigate and throw shit around regardless. It's the same thing left wingers do in regard to Trump.

As it stands no, HE IS NOT GUILTY OF ANYTHING.

So............the sky is not blue. Got it.

It is a matter of perspective. If you continue to REFUSE to address the perspective of half the nation, there can BE NO CONVERSATION.

You are like this;

Please address posts #32



And post #38

Why do you refuse to address this?

Is the Trump Ukraine Controversy Much Ado About Nothing?
Is the Trump Ukraine Controversy Much Ado About Nothing?

“It was in February when Yanukovych was overthrown, and just a few months later (in May), Joe Biden’s son and a close friend of John Kerry’s stepson, they both join the board of this Ukrainian gas company. And the name of that was Burisma Holdings,” said Joe Lauria, editor of Consortium News and a former correspondent for the Wall Street Journal. “So just after an American-backed coup, you have Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden and this John Kerry family friend joining the board of probably the largest private gas producer in Ukraine.”

“[T]hey installed the new government, and as the bounty of this coup, Joe Biden’s son personally profited. He would not have gotten that job if Yanukovych was still in power,” Lauria told the National Interest.


Nor is this all. “I think it was totally inappropriate for the son of the vice president of the United States to be sitting on the board of a Ukrainian company while we had a close relationship with that government of Ukraine. Absolutely that was inappropriate,” says Professor Keith Darden of American University. “Apparently technically it doesn’t violate U.S. law, but it certainly impeded the work that we were trying to do in Ukraine: anti-nepotism, anti-corruption. It looked like the United States was engaging in some very Ukrainian corrupt practices.”

Darden believes that if Trump promised Zelensky financial aid in exchange for the Ukrainian government investigating Hunter Biden, this would be an abuse of power. If he merely pressured him without and explicit quid pro quo, then it would be inappropriate but not necessarily illegal.


Rudy Giuliani met with Ukrainian officials multiple times over the summer. “I found out this incredible story about Joe Biden, that he bribed the President of the Ukraine in order to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son. That is an astounding scandal of major proportions,” Giuliani told CNN’s Chris Cuomo last night.

Giuliani is referring to Viktor Shokin, former general prosecutor of Ukraine who was dismissed in March 2016. A former Obama State Department official speaking to the National Interest said, “I can say with great confidence that the desire to fire Shokin was a kind of multiagency, multiperson desire, in no sense was that driven by the vice president . . . that assumption is false.” The former official did confirm, however, that Joe Biden was “very involved” in Yanukovych’s fall from power but could not speak to the circumstances surrounding Hunter Biden’s appointment in April to the board of Burisma Holdings.

 

[colfax_m]

We don’t actually investigate corruption in Ukraine. Those are Ukrainian legal matters. The most we can do is help them generate a strong justice system which has been challenging. Shokin’s replacement, Lutsenko, was initially felt to be a good choice but failed to live up to expectations.

Then how did Biden get Shokin fired if 'we' don't investigate corruption in Ukraine? Hmmmmmm, must have been a BRIBE. The BRIBE that Biden admitted to on video.

We don’t investigate corruption. Being corrupt in Ukraine doesn’t violate our laws. We are trying to help Ukraine build a legal system to combat corruption because that’s good for Ukrainians and good for the US. Part of bullring a legal system to combat corruption would be to get rid of prosecutors who are corrupt, such as Viktor Shokin.

Does that make sense?

 

[The Original Tree]

We don’t actually investigate corruption in Ukraine. Those are Ukrainian legal matters. The most we can do is help them generate a strong justice system which has been challenging. Shokin’s replacement, Lutsenko, was initially felt to be a good choice but failed to live up to expectations.

Then how did Biden get Shokin fired if 'we' don't investigate corruption in Ukraine? Hmmmmmm, must have been a BRIBE. The BRIBE that Biden admitted to on video.

We don’t investigate corruption. Being corrupt in Ukraine doesn’t violate our laws. We are trying to help Ukraine build a legal system to combat corruption because that’s good for Ukrainians and good for the US. Part of bullring a legal system to combat corruption would be to get rid of prosecutors who are corrupt, such as Viktor Shokin.

Does that make sense?

The People he was investigating fled to Russia. Joe Biden Extorted Ukraine in to firing Shokin. Shokin is a Free Man in Ukraine still practicing law and has an ordinary car and an ordinary home.

Usually people involved in corruption enrich themselves and flee the country when they are about to be made accountable for their corruption.

Shokin has not been charged with a single crime, so please explain FACTUALLY why you assert he is corrupt which is what The Corrupt Politicians who fled to RUSSIA asserted.

 

[Slade3200]

ding ding ding... we have a winner.

the wing nuts don’t care about facts, they just need enough to smear and make accusations. The sad part is the volume of people engaging in this kind of behavior.

The President is NOT GUILTY and is PRESUMED INNOCENT. Why don't you Foreign Hacks understand our Justice System?

He'll be Exonerated in The Senate but Some really bad news for The Democrat Party will be exposed during that DUE PROCESS proceeding.

we aren’t in court smart guy. A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here so playing your little prove this and that games are meaningless. Impeachment is political, he isn’t being indicted of a crime, just fired from his job. It just needs votes. I again will say I think it’s a horrible idea, I agree with you there. But your arguments are weak and ineffective.

The standard of evidence isn't "A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here"....If you have no hard evidence, you have no case.

then you get to support votes against against impeachment. You get to say that you’re not convinced. This is a public opinion game now. What happened is clear as day to me, I think you know it’s too. Trump leveraged the aid to get Ukraine to announce these investigations. Clear and simple. I‘d still vote with you though... against impeachment.

"High crimes and misdemeanors" isn't about anybody's freaking opinion.....You either have verifiable evidence of the crime or you don't.

correct... and Trump is being accused of high crimes, the republican attorney that they brought in front of congress even said as much. Now whether the Dems prove that case and convince the people that the events, evidence and supporting testimonies outlining these crimes happened is where we are at with impeachment

 

[Slade3200]

ding ding ding... we have a winner.

the wing nuts don’t care about facts, they just need enough to smear and make accusations. The sad part is the volume of people engaging in this kind of behavior.

The President is NOT GUILTY and is PRESUMED INNOCENT. Why don't you Foreign Hacks understand our Justice System?

He'll be Exonerated in The Senate but Some really bad news for The Democrat Party will be exposed during that DUE PROCESS proceeding.

we aren’t in court smart guy. A blind preschooler could see what’s going on here so playing your little prove this and that games are meaningless. Impeachment is political, he isn’t being indicted of a crime, just fired from his job. It just needs votes. I again will say I think it’s a horrible idea, I agree with you there. But your arguments are weak and ineffective.

You are Right, Adolph Schiffler and Nazi Nadler were not running a court proceeding, but it was an official Government Proceeding and by Law Requires DUE PROCESS.

There was no evidence presented in the clown show, so pretty much every single page of this Impeachment Inquiry will be INADMISSABLE in The Senate Impeachment Trial.

And from there, THE HAMMER will fall on the whole process and everyone involved in it, and additionally more corruption will be exposed from Burisma, to The Ukraine Embassy, from The Bidens, to The Podesta Group, to Fusion GPS, COIE Perkins, to the origination of The Dirty Dossier and violations of Campaign Finance & Money Laundering, right down to Russian Spies Working for The Obama White House and Clinton Campaign.

It's going to be good, and you and many of your Cohorts will flee from this message board like The Cowards you are, not wanting to sit here and take your comeuppance, and hear all the "I told you sos."

But the best part of your suffering will be on November 2020. It will rival or even surpass your weeping and gnashing of teeth that occurred on November 2016.

We will feast on your pain.

You’re straight up lying now. Impeachment inquiry is like taking depositions. The congressional process was followed, same that happened for Clinton. Witness testimony is evidence. Trail and the due process you are talking about happens once charges aren’t filed and the case goes to the senate. Get it straight man, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why did The Obama Administration throw Millions of Dollars in to The Ukraine Elections to Prop up Corrupt Ukrainian Politicians and to help defeat unsuccessfully The Anti - Corruption Government that was elected in The Ukraine?

Hell, while I am at it, why did Obama do the same and throw millions of dollars in to The Israeli Elections? Why did he have CIA Operatives in Ukraine and Israel trying to interfere in those elections?

They didn’t do that. Why are you propping up corrupt government officials and saying that they were anti-corruption? That goes against our intel and our allies intel.

 

[colfax_m]

We don’t actually investigate corruption in Ukraine. Those are Ukrainian legal matters. The most we can do is help them generate a strong justice system which has been challenging. Shokin’s replacement, Lutsenko, was initially felt to be a good choice but failed to live up to expectations.

Then how did Biden get Shokin fired if 'we' don't investigate corruption in Ukraine? Hmmmmmm, must have been a BRIBE. The BRIBE that Biden admitted to on video.

We don’t investigate corruption. Being corrupt in Ukraine doesn’t violate our laws. We are trying to help Ukraine build a legal system to combat corruption because that’s good for Ukrainians and good for the US. Part of bullring a legal system to combat corruption would be to get rid of prosecutors who are corrupt, such as Viktor Shokin.

Does that make sense?

The People he was investigating fled to Russia. Joe Biden Extorted Ukraine in to firing Shokin. Shokin is a Free Man in Ukraine still practicing law and has an ordinary car and an ordinary home.

Usually people involved in corruption enrich themselves and flee the country when they are about to be made accountable for their corruption.

Shokin has not been charged with a single crime, so please explain FACTUALLY why you assert he is corrupt which is what The Corrupt Politicians who fled to RUSSIA asserted.

We don’t actually investigate corruption in Ukraine. Those are Ukrainian legal matters. The most we can do is help them generate a strong justice system which has been challenging. Shokin’s replacement, Lutsenko, was initially felt to be a good choice but failed to live up to expectations.

Then how did Biden get Shokin fired if 'we' don't investigate corruption in Ukraine? Hmmmmmm, must have been a BRIBE. The BRIBE that Biden admitted to on video.

We don’t investigate corruption. Being corrupt in Ukraine doesn’t violate our laws. We are trying to help Ukraine build a legal system to combat corruption because that’s good for Ukrainians and good for the US. Part of bullring a legal system to combat corruption would be to get rid of prosecutors who are corrupt, such as Viktor Shokin.

Does that make sense?

The People he was investigating fled to Russia. Joe Biden Extorted Ukraine in to firing Shokin. Shokin is a Free Man in Ukraine still practicing law and has an ordinary car and an ordinary home.

Usually people involved in corruption enrich themselves and flee the country when they are about to be made accountable for their corruption.

Shokin has not been charged with a single crime, so please explain FACTUALLY why you assert he is corrupt which is what The Corrupt Politicians who fled to RUSSIA asserted.

The judicial system of Ukraine remains quite corrupt. That may change soon, but the fact that he isn’t charged is hardly exculpatory. That’s true for many corrupt people who are in Ukraine.

Please use names instead of pronouns. It’s hard to tell who you’re referring to when you say “The Corrupt Politicians”.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

A person would have to be incredibly stupid to think Hunter got that job based upon his own merits.

Since he was so obviously unqualied, only an incredibly stupid person would fail to ask WHY he got that job.

when asked why he got that job, only an incredibly stupid person would arrive at .the conclusion that it could not be anything BUT the influence he delivers by way of his father.

It's just basic logic, boys and girls .