Conservative consider liberals are young and naive

[frigidweirdo]

Sad... you see me that way because at 72 years I see more ways to teach people how to be independent yet people like you want to make more people W2T i.e. "womb2tomb" dependent.
For example if anyone wants to help me develop a business that will make over $30 million a year I'm open but it is hard to find people who as you described think the only way to security is via being a W2T person.

Actually the "myth" of greedy people like you described is again a product of MSM ignorance and bias.
Rather then recognize that teaching people how to be independent is better for society as a whole ignorant MSM continues
the myth about "single payer" about federal government being capable of handling all people's needs. Truly sad that people like
you want to make mindless slaves to the socialist state.

Was it four for the price of one on assumptions down at the supermarket today or what?

Firstly, this isn't about being independent or not.

You're telling me that only right wing teaches people to be independent. Rubbish. Good education, which is generally more supported by the left than the right, is education which teaches independence of mind.

I didn't say greedy people. I said people who no longer cared. People who had their position in life and didn't want to lose it. Doesn't mean they're greedy.

Also, I didn't say the govt was the only body capable of handling all of people's needs.

So "people like you" as you referred me to, isn't people like me at all. It's people you pretend I am because you're jumping all over assumptions like there's no tomorrow.

"Good education" like this:
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Voted to Ban AP U.S. History
The conservative lawmakers' issues with the course, which was taken by 344,938 students in 2013, can be traced back to retired high-school history teacher Larry S. Krieger. Two years ago, the College Board released a revised framework for the exam, which took effect this fall. Krieger was incensed by the changes. "As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters," he said during a conference call in August, according toNewsweek.

Krieger complained that the framework portrays the Founding Fathers as "bigots" and suggests that Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority," rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent," as he put it. And instead of discussing the "the valor or heroism of American soldiers" during World War II, the course outline mentions U.S. internment camps and moral questions raised by the dropping of the atomic bomb.
These included everything from more focus on minorities to a reference to President Reagan's "bellicose rhetoric." Their effort got a huge boost when the Republican National Committee adopted a resolution last August that said the framework "reflects a radically revisionist view of American history.
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Want to Ban AP US History -- NYMag

This "good education" that teaches the valor of our prior generations was for bad purposes... our soldiers killed people needlessly,etc. all the things that make the USA look like the bad guys... that's a "good education"???

Frankly when people talk about "good education" I immediately think of this product of a "good education" who told us he had to fool us and trick us to get his way! I'm sure you are a FFO by your attitude and responses...

Obama told us in his book..."Dreams of My Father"
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied.
They were revealed.
Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

No....

Good education isn't education which says "The US is amazing" or "The US is bad".

Good education is "these are the facts, what do you think?"

 

[healthmyths]

Sad... you see me that way because at 72 years I see more ways to teach people how to be independent yet people like you want to make more people W2T i.e. "womb2tomb" dependent.
For example if anyone wants to help me develop a business that will make over $30 million a year I'm open but it is hard to find people who as you described think the only way to security is via being a W2T person.

Actually the "myth" of greedy people like you described is again a product of MSM ignorance and bias.
Rather then recognize that teaching people how to be independent is better for society as a whole ignorant MSM continues
the myth about "single payer" about federal government being capable of handling all people's needs. Truly sad that people like
you want to make mindless slaves to the socialist state.

Was it four for the price of one on assumptions down at the supermarket today or what?

Firstly, this isn't about being independent or not.

You're telling me that only right wing teaches people to be independent. Rubbish. Good education, which is generally more supported by the left than the right, is education which teaches independence of mind.

I didn't say greedy people. I said people who no longer cared. People who had their position in life and didn't want to lose it. Doesn't mean they're greedy.

Also, I didn't say the govt was the only body capable of handling all of people's needs.

So "people like you" as you referred me to, isn't people like me at all. It's people you pretend I am because you're jumping all over assumptions like there's no tomorrow.

"Good education" like this:
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Voted to Ban AP U.S. History
The conservative lawmakers' issues with the course, which was taken by 344,938 students in 2013, can be traced back to retired high-school history teacher Larry S. Krieger. Two years ago, the College Board released a revised framework for the exam, which took effect this fall. Krieger was incensed by the changes. "As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters," he said during a conference call in August, according toNewsweek.

Krieger complained that the framework portrays the Founding Fathers as "bigots" and suggests that Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority," rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent," as he put it. And instead of discussing the "the valor or heroism of American soldiers" during World War II, the course outline mentions U.S. internment camps and moral questions raised by the dropping of the atomic bomb.
These included everything from more focus on minorities to a reference to President Reagan's "bellicose rhetoric." Their effort got a huge boost when the Republican National Committee adopted a resolution last August that said the framework "reflects a radically revisionist view of American history.
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Want to Ban AP US History -- NYMag

This "good education" that teaches the valor of our prior generations was for bad purposes... our soldiers killed people needlessly,etc. all the things that make the USA look like the bad guys... that's a "good education"???

Frankly when people talk about "good education" I immediately think of this product of a "good education" who told us he had to fool us and trick us to get his way! I'm sure you are a FFO by your attitude and responses...

Obama told us in his book..."Dreams of My Father"
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied.
They were revealed.
Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

No....

Good education isn't education which says "The US is amazing" or "The US is bad".

Good education is "these are the facts, what do you think?"

I 100% agree!
But that's not what this biased statement in the AP US history books being used to "educate" children.
"Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority,"
rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent,"

This was NOT educating but "editorializing".
This premise that the USA is the bad guy is replete in our liberal educational system.
Even YOU I'm sure use the word "Invasion" of Iraq which was used by the biased MSM to make the USA out the bad guys....yet
under a liberal President Clinton the basis for the "Liberation of Iraq" (NOTE word change???) was a law enacted by Congress (Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502) AND signed by Clinton in 1998 the objective:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
What changed from 1998 to "2003 Invasion of Iraq"? Political party change.
So if you can't see how our educational system buttressed by our MSM has completely made the USA the bad guys...(remember there were only
11 out 200,000 soldiers in Iraq caused Abu Ghraib yet people like you destroyed our war successes with the MSM by blowing this so out of proportion!
This is the problem with people like you liberals! You don't comprehend the damages words and images do and how you think you are being so pious and compassion and open minded while at the same time (i.e. Cecil the Lion commands more MSM attention then the crushed baby parts)!

 

[kaz]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

Yes, liberals are so tolerant and understanding of conservatives, it's hard to understand why conservatives are the ones with the issue of not liking them, isn't it?

 

[hipeter924]

If you start a thread on a generalized 'term' like liberal or conservative, then you are going to get a lot off 'x is y' straw men.

'Liberal' or 'Conservative' aren't what matters to me, instead how authoritarian people are, and whether they believe in Brazil (1985), Brave New World, or 1984 styled societies.

If you think the 'other side' is bad, then you should be more worried about those that actually try to do things, rather than those that just talk about doing them over tea and cupcakes; or vodka and beer.

You can believe in something, and even advocate something, but saying and doing something are two different things. I don't worry about Glenn Beck or Coulter, I worry about those who really hold the power and do things with it.

 

[hipeter924]

Sad... you see me that way because at 72 years I see more ways to teach people how to be independent yet people like you want to make more people W2T i.e. "womb2tomb" dependent.
For example if anyone wants to help me develop a business that will make over $30 million a year I'm open but it is hard to find people who as you described think the only way to security is via being a W2T person.

Actually the "myth" of greedy people like you described is again a product of MSM ignorance and bias.
Rather then recognize that teaching people how to be independent is better for society as a whole ignorant MSM continues
the myth about "single payer" about federal government being capable of handling all people's needs. Truly sad that people like
you want to make mindless slaves to the socialist state.

Was it four for the price of one on assumptions down at the supermarket today or what?

Firstly, this isn't about being independent or not.

You're telling me that only right wing teaches people to be independent. Rubbish. Good education, which is generally more supported by the left than the right, is education which teaches independence of mind.

I didn't say greedy people. I said people who no longer cared. People who had their position in life and didn't want to lose it. Doesn't mean they're greedy.

Also, I didn't say the govt was the only body capable of handling all of people's needs.

So "people like you" as you referred me to, isn't people like me at all. It's people you pretend I am because you're jumping all over assumptions like there's no tomorrow.

"Good education" like this:
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Voted to Ban AP U.S. History
The conservative lawmakers' issues with the course, which was taken by 344,938 students in 2013, can be traced back to retired high-school history teacher Larry S. Krieger. Two years ago, the College Board released a revised framework for the exam, which took effect this fall. Krieger was incensed by the changes. "As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters," he said during a conference call in August, according toNewsweek.

Krieger complained that the framework portrays the Founding Fathers as "bigots" and suggests that Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority," rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent," as he put it. And instead of discussing the "the valor or heroism of American soldiers" during World War II, the course outline mentions U.S. internment camps and moral questions raised by the dropping of the atomic bomb.
These included everything from more focus on minorities to a reference to President Reagan's "bellicose rhetoric." Their effort got a huge boost when the Republican National Committee adopted a resolution last August that said the framework "reflects a radically revisionist view of American history.
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Want to Ban AP US History -- NYMag

This "good education" that teaches the valor of our prior generations was for bad purposes... our soldiers killed people needlessly,etc. all the things that make the USA look like the bad guys... that's a "good education"???

Frankly when people talk about "good education" I immediately think of this product of a "good education" who told us he had to fool us and trick us to get his way! I'm sure you are a FFO by your attitude and responses...

Obama told us in his book..."Dreams of My Father"
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied.
They were revealed.
Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

No....

Good education isn't education which says "The US is amazing" or "The US is bad".

Good education is "these are the facts, what do you think?"

I 100% agree!
But that's not what this biased statement in the AP US history books being used to "educate" children.
"Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority,"
rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent,"

This was NOT educating but "editorializing".
This premise that the USA is the bad guy is replete in our liberal educational system.
Even YOU I'm sure use the word "Invasion" of Iraq which was used by the biased MSM to make the USA out the bad guys....yet
under a liberal President Clinton the basis for the "Liberation of Iraq" (NOTE word change???) was a law enacted by Congress (Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502) AND signed by Clinton in 1998 the objective:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
What changed from 1998 to "2003 Invasion of Iraq"? Political party change.
So if you can't see how our educational system buttressed by our MSM has completely made the USA the bad guys...(remember there were only
11 out 200,000 soldiers in Iraq caused Abu Ghraib yet people like you destroyed our war successes with the MSM by blowing this so out of proportion!
This is the problem with people like you liberals! You don't comprehend the damages words and images do and how you think you are being so pious and compassion and open minded while at the same time (i.e. Cecil the Lion commands more MSM attention then the crushed baby parts)!

Manifest destiny has effected all major countries and empires at some point, and is not purely a white western phenomenon.

Turkey had it (and still does)*, China has it over the South China Sea and Asia, Iran wants more of the Middle East, as does Saudi Arabia*, and so on.

*The US government supports Turkish manifest destiny, as it does with Saudi Arabia; or a repeat of the cold-war if he's 'our guy' he can declare war on or wipe out as many people as he wants.

 

[healthmyths]

Sad... you see me that way because at 72 years I see more ways to teach people how to be independent yet people like you want to make more people W2T i.e. "womb2tomb" dependent.
For example if anyone wants to help me develop a business that will make over $30 million a year I'm open but it is hard to find people who as you described think the only way to security is via being a W2T person.

Actually the "myth" of greedy people like you described is again a product of MSM ignorance and bias.
Rather then recognize that teaching people how to be independent is better for society as a whole ignorant MSM continues
the myth about "single payer" about federal government being capable of handling all people's needs. Truly sad that people like
you want to make mindless slaves to the socialist state.

Was it four for the price of one on assumptions down at the supermarket today or what?

Firstly, this isn't about being independent or not.

You're telling me that only right wing teaches people to be independent. Rubbish. Good education, which is generally more supported by the left than the right, is education which teaches independence of mind.

I didn't say greedy people. I said people who no longer cared. People who had their position in life and didn't want to lose it. Doesn't mean they're greedy.

Also, I didn't say the govt was the only body capable of handling all of people's needs.

So "people like you" as you referred me to, isn't people like me at all. It's people you pretend I am because you're jumping all over assumptions like there's no tomorrow.

"Good education" like this:
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Voted to Ban AP U.S. History
The conservative lawmakers' issues with the course, which was taken by 344,938 students in 2013, can be traced back to retired high-school history teacher Larry S. Krieger. Two years ago, the College Board released a revised framework for the exam, which took effect this fall. Krieger was incensed by the changes. "As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters," he said during a conference call in August, according toNewsweek.

Krieger complained that the framework portrays the Founding Fathers as "bigots" and suggests that Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority," rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent," as he put it. And instead of discussing the "the valor or heroism of American soldiers" during World War II, the course outline mentions U.S. internment camps and moral questions raised by the dropping of the atomic bomb.
These included everything from more focus on minorities to a reference to President Reagan's "bellicose rhetoric." Their effort got a huge boost when the Republican National Committee adopted a resolution last August that said the framework "reflects a radically revisionist view of American history.
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Want to Ban AP US History -- NYMag

This "good education" that teaches the valor of our prior generations was for bad purposes... our soldiers killed people needlessly,etc. all the things that make the USA look like the bad guys... that's a "good education"???

Frankly when people talk about "good education" I immediately think of this product of a "good education" who told us he had to fool us and trick us to get his way! I'm sure you are a FFO by your attitude and responses...

Obama told us in his book..."Dreams of My Father"
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied.
They were revealed.
Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

No....

Good education isn't education which says "The US is amazing" or "The US is bad".

Good education is "these are the facts, what do you think?"

I 100% agree!
But that's not what this biased statement in the AP US history books being used to "educate" children.
"Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority,"
rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent,"

This was NOT educating but "editorializing".
This premise that the USA is the bad guy is replete in our liberal educational system.
Even YOU I'm sure use the word "Invasion" of Iraq which was used by the biased MSM to make the USA out the bad guys....yet
under a liberal President Clinton the basis for the "Liberation of Iraq" (NOTE word change???) was a law enacted by Congress (Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502) AND signed by Clinton in 1998 the objective:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
What changed from 1998 to "2003 Invasion of Iraq"? Political party change.
So if you can't see how our educational system buttressed by our MSM has completely made the USA the bad guys...(remember there were only
11 out 200,000 soldiers in Iraq caused Abu Ghraib yet people like you destroyed our war successes with the MSM by blowing this so out of proportion!
This is the problem with people like you liberals! You don't comprehend the damages words and images do and how you think you are being so pious and compassion and open minded while at the same time (i.e. Cecil the Lion commands more MSM attention then the crushed baby parts)!

Manifest destiny has effected all major countries and empires at some point, and is not purely a white western phenomenon.

Turkey had it (and still does)*, China has it over the South China Sea and Asia, Iran wants more of the Middle East, as does Saudi Arabia*, and so on.

*The US government supports Turkish manifest destiny, as it does with Saudi Arabia; or a repeat of the cold-war if he's 'our guy' he can declare war on or wipe out as many people as he wants.

So why then if it is "commonplace" was it treated with historical inaccuracy in addition to negative presentation of the "USA is the bad guy" crowd,i.e. the people that made our founding fathers to be "bigots","racists", etc. is this what the liberal progressive crowd OK with depicting?

I'm sure people like you that are pretending to "intellectually honest" don't see the "dishonesty" at play here much less the damages your contempt for American history does especially when it fosters phony perceptions for susceptible students.

 

[Debra K]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

Well, let's start here:

The Word - On the Straight Narrow-Minded - The Colbert Report - Video Clip Comedy Central

Prejudice is the by-product of both ignorance and divide & conquer political strategies. It's a failure of a lot of people to develop critical thinking skills. It's the willingness of some people to grab hate-bytes from the Universe and perpetuate them either out of their own ignorance or to serve an agenda. It's an attitude that "education is bad" because, if educational endeavors are successful, then our young people learn to think for themselves and will use reason rather than unsubstantiated beliefs to move our country forward. Progress is the result of enlightenment ... and some people are opposed to progress. They prefer "endarkenment" because it serves an agenda.

The assault on education is evident. The people who live their lives in the dark routinely attack our nation's universities as institutions that "brainwash" our nation's young people and turn them into liberals. OMG NO!

Politicians love to throw "red meat" at the people who live their lives in the dark and give them a "social issue" to rip apart with the proverbial sharp teeth of rabid dogs. There is no desire by these politicians, however, to ever resolve divisive social issues because then the "red meat" would lose its vitality. Low information voters are useful idiots. Unfortunately, most of those useful idiots belong to the far "right wing" camp and they love to use the word "liberal" as a dirty word. Anyone who is not as rabid as they are about a specific issue is labeled "liberal" and they spew the word with so much venom and hate that it's an embarrassment.

Most people, however, are not far right or far left. They are in the center. Most people are against abortion, but those who use critical thinking skills understand that they cannot impose their morals on everyone else in society through the operation of oppressive laws. Personally, I am against abortion, but I don't want the government to have the ultimate power over procreation.

I believe many people have a fundamental misunderstanding about basic constitutional law and how it applies in our national society. Too many subscribe to the ridiculous theory that liberty for them means the right to deny liberty to others. The hypocrisy of the far right is disheartening. Where are their critical thinking skills?

 

[Debra K]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

Hello bedowin62. Please enlighten us. Define the word "liberal". Describe one conversation you have had with a "young liberal" and, using critical thinking skills, tell us why you concluded that the young person was a "brainwashed zombie".

 

[healthmyths]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

Hello bedowin62. Please enlighten us. Define the word "liberal". Describe one conversation you have had with a "young liberal" and, using critical thinking skills, tell us why you concluded that the young person was a "brainwashed zombie".

Well how about YOU explaining this illustration of "brainwashed zombie" belief?
You and millions of zombies really believed Obama's "46 million uninsured Americans" statement. You believe that right????

Answer YES or no. If you believe Obama was correct then the straight simple answer NO other answer is "YES" OK???
Please answer as I'd like to prove to you how wrong you and you zombies were!

 

[Uncensored2008]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

I view most leftists as old, burnt out, and stupid.

The typical democrat has fried 90% of their brain from decades of drug abuse and are open the the Marxist meanderings of Soros and his puppet Obama.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Most things they think about liberals just isn't so. The picture that Limbaugh and Hannity and such paint of liberals has to include every derogatory characteristic they can think of so their mindless talk radio followers will have every possible reason to disagree with the left. It's all part of the brainwashing that any right winger has to go through to become a right winger.

You're not a liberal, you're a leftist.

You have utterly nothing in common with the beliefs and views of George Mason, Tom Jefferson, Thomas Paine, et al.

Now Joe Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hugo Chavez you have everything in common with.

 

[Debra K]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

Hello bedowin62. Please enlighten us. Define the word "liberal". Describe one conversation you have had with a "young liberal" and, using critical thinking skills, tell us why you concluded that the young person was a "brainwashed zombie".

Well how about YOU explaining this illustration of "brainwashed zombie" belief?
You and millions of zombies really believed Obama's "46 million uninsured Americans" statement. You believe that right????

Answer YES or no. If you believe Obama was correct then the straight simple answer NO other answer is "YES" OK???
Please answer as I'd like to prove to you how wrong you and you zombies were!

Why are you seizing upon an irrelevant "factoid" to voice your outrage? Don't you believe there are millions of people struggling to afford healthcare? Do you believe that no one is struggling? How many millions have to struggle before there exists a problem in your viewpoint?

Personally, I don't like Obamacare. I don't agree with the Supreme Court ruling that our federal government can force individuals to buy a product that they don't want or be penalized under the tax code. But I also understand that my agreement or disagreement with the decision doesn't matter. The Supreme Court ruled that the mandate is constitutional and that is the law of the land. That means that I must petition the lawmakers and voice my grievance and hope the law will be changed.

My husband and I must pay nearly $1,400 a month to get a basic policy. Most years, we won't even meet our deductible and co-pay obligations under the basic policy. But I also know, from personal experience, that the cost of healthcare is outrageously high. I was hospitalized for seven days not so long ago and, when all the bills are added, it cost approximately $50,000.00 to obtain medical services necessary to gain back my health.

I understand that there is a problem in this country because healthcare is extremely expensive. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to accept the fact that there are millions of people in this country who cannot afford huge premiums for health insurance nor huge medical bills. Maybe today you might have a job with an employer who provides healthcare insurance as a benefit, but maybe that job will be gone tomorrow. How many people have $50,000.00 in their back pocket to pay medical bills arising from an illness? what about the next bout of illness when the savings have been exhausted? It isn't just "poor people" who are struggling with the high cost of medical care ... lots of middle class people are also struggling.

Personally, I would rather pay that $1,400 a month to the government and have a solid single-payer system enacted. I don't like being forced to pay that money to a corporation that is only interested in profits, and not in my healthcare.

 

[BULLDOG]

Most things they think about liberals just isn't so. The picture that Limbaugh and Hannity and such paint of liberals has to include every derogatory characteristic they can think of so their mindless talk radio followers will have every possible reason to disagree with the left. It's all part of the brainwashing that any right winger has to go through to become a right winger.

You're not a liberal, you're a leftist.

You have utterly nothing in common with the beliefs and views of George Mason, Tom Jefferson, Thomas Paine, et al.

Now Joe Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hugo Chavez you have everything in common with.

Thanks for informing me. I guess you are able to read minds over the internet, Quite a fete for a right winger.

 

[healthmyths]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

Hello bedowin62. Please enlighten us. Define the word "liberal". Describe one conversation you have had with a "young liberal" and, using critical thinking skills, tell us why you concluded that the young person was a "brainwashed zombie".

Well how about YOU explaining this illustration of "brainwashed zombie" belief?
You and millions of zombies really believed Obama's "46 million uninsured Americans" statement. You believe that right????

Answer YES or no. If you believe Obama was correct then the straight simple answer NO other answer is "YES" OK???
Please answer as I'd like to prove to you how wrong you and you zombies were!

Why are you seizing upon an irrelevant "factoid" to voice your outrage? Don't you believe there are millions of people struggling to afford healthcare? Do you believe that no one is struggling? How many millions have to struggle before there exists a problem in your viewpoint?

Personally, I don't like Obamacare. I don't agree with the Supreme Court ruling that our federal government can force individuals to buy a product that they don't want or be penalized under the tax code. But I also understand that my agreement or disagreement with the decision doesn't matter. The Supreme Court ruled that the mandate is constitutional and that is the law of the land. That means that I must petition the lawmakers and voice my grievance and hope the law will be changed.

My husband and I must pay nearly $1,400 a month to get a basic policy. Most years, we won't even meet our deductible and co-pay obligations under the basic policy. But I also know, from personal experience, that the cost of healthcare is outrageously high. I was hospitalized for seven days not so long ago and, when all the bills are added, it cost approximately $50,000.00 to obtain medical services necessary to gain back my health.

I understand that there is a problem in this country because healthcare is extremely expensive. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to accept the fact that there are millions of people in this country who cannot afford huge premiums for health insurance nor huge medical bills. Maybe today you might have a job with an employer who provides healthcare insurance as a benefit, but maybe that job will be gone tomorrow. How many people have $50,000.00 in their back pocket to pay medical bills arising from an illness? what about the next bout of illness when the savings have been exhausted? It isn't just "poor people" who are struggling with the high cost of medical care ... lots of middle class people are also struggling.

Personally, I would rather pay that $1,400 a month to the government and have a solid single-payer system enacted. I don't like being forced to pay that money to a corporation that is only interested in profits, and not in my healthcare.

FACTS! where are they? Totally missing.
A) Doctors interviewed say they practice defensive medicine out of fear of lawsuits. Ins. companies then pay these claims.
Total wasted about due to fear of lawsuits: $850 BILLION a year.
Source:
Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year.
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
BUT BUT !!!!!
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "

-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.

Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were they?
Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"???
1946 Tort reform!
http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf
So why didn't we have tort reform for civilian doctors that would have prevented insurance claims paid out yearly of $850 billion?
Please explain that?
People like you have no idea what is involved in the process of claims. I do. I am an expert.
I'm telling you that you idiots that think that suing the doctor for every little mistake will allow you to win the lawsuit lottery! YOU are the idiots
that cause doctors to practice $850 billion a year in defensive medicine...WHICH if you read closely Doctors under federal contract can't be sued.
HENCE they don't send defensive claims!

$850 billion a year spent foolishly doing duplicate tests,etc. and IF THAT OK... THAT's why your premiums are so high!

B) Dumb f...ks like you probably do mountain climbing. Snorkeling... skateboarding... ALL activities NO one did years ago and therefore there were never insurance claims paid for these stupid idiotic activities.
YET I see car advertising showing kids skateboarding! KEEP these stupid activities up and your costs keep climbing.

C) YOU have no idea how much the insurance companies pay out in claims do you? Dummies like you think they don't pay them!
FACT:
Benefit Expense Ratio:The benefit expense ratio was 84.8 percent in the fourth quarter of 2009, an increase of 140 basis points from 83.4 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008. The increase was driven primarily by higher medical cost trends in the Local Group business during 2009, due to elevated flu
Anthem Inc Investor Relations Investors
Obviously idiots like you don't know what the above is BUT in real simple terms:
The insurance company charged premiums. When claims came in 84.8% of the premiums WAS PAID OUT IN CLAIMS!!!
NOW do you comprehend that you dummy!

All you need do is stop making guesses!
Check the links I've provided for the FACTS!!!

 

[Spare_change]

You'd have to support that with facts; not just your jilted juvenile opinion.

You, and your ilk, spend endless hours complaining about the impact of money on the political community. Your complaint, of course, is rooted in the fact that you aren’t getting your share – and NOW you want to tell me that more billionaires support liberals and conservatives?

As for the taxes not going for the greater good, chart for me--using all of your adult insight

rofl

America since 1913 and other nations that pay zero taxes. How is their economy? How many Nobel Prizes do they have in their trophy case? Any moon landings? Any patents for cutting edge discoveries? No? Gee, I wonder why.

PLEASE tell me you’re not asserting that taxes is the reason our economy was – and I emphasize WAS – so dynamic. You surely can’t be making THAT argument, are you?

No, it's history repeating itself. You guys said you'd handle school integration and then we ended up with separate but equal. Now you guys say you can tell the women in your state what rights they have. Uh, no you can't.

When you take the bully pulpit away from a conservative, they scream that it's state's rights that are being taken away to try to give their 1800's stance some sort of glorious meaning. Nobody buys it. If you want to point to an insult of someone else's intelligence...that is it loser. It flies in the face of the the 1950s mentality so of course you oppose it. Basically conservatives hate the idea of women having sex for pleasure. I really can't explain the schism or why they think that way. Rick Santorum--the #2 delegate recipient in 2012 put it best, I suppose and it gives us a little insight into just how warped the conservative mindset is:

2. "One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country....Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." —Rick Santorum, interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com (October 2011)

--supposed to be-- that says it all.

You want to dictate – no, make that, you want the government to dictate, because you don’t have the courage to bring it to the people – how we live our lives, how we think, how we interact, and how we worship at the shrine of liberalism.

Your rant is so full of holes, I don’t even know where to start – so, I won’t. But, I will say this … conservatives support the free market – the one that gave us the dynamic economy we had until liberals started screwing with it. Republicans were the leaders of the civil rights – MLK was a Republican, the very same group that drove the suffragette movement.

You need to take a history course, because you are clearly on the wrong side of it.

Wow! I’m blown away … what an impressive counter-argument. Your mom would be proud.

The successful are usually not the target of welfare programs dumbass. As for "rewarding" those who don't perform, we reward a lot of people who are not performing:

Farm Bill 2014 It s Even Worse Than the Old Farm Bill The New Republic
Both major political parties willingly signed on to the part where we subsidize farmers billions of dollars but of course only the GOP raised a hue and cry when some poor folks were getting a tad bit more money on the back end--something like $9 a person if I recall.

The same thing happened after 9/11. Almost immediately the banks and the airlines were taken care of. And almost as instantly, those institutions laid off staff to capitalize on the windfall.

Correct me if I’m wrong --- if you’re successful, you must pay for those who aren’t. If you aren’t successful, you suffer no pain. The government takes you under the wing, pats you on the head, gives you money they have taken from the successful, and sends you on your way. Only problem is …. They give you enough money to subsist, but not enough to grow. You’re stuck --- you can’t try to improve your life, because, if you do, the government takes away your support.

If you try to go to school, the government denies you the ability to transfer to a successful school – one at which you can learn the tools necessary to improve. You’re stuck in the same old school – the same old neighbor – the same old financial stratum.

Our government is rooted in the liberal belief that they are smarter, and are charged with taking care of the poor folks who just aren’t as smart. Instead of giving them an opportunity, you give them a chain to hold them down.

From USA Today:1. United States

> Millionaire Households: 5,220,000
> Ultra High Net Worth Households: 2,692
> GDP (millions of USD): 14,657,800 (highest)The United States has by far the largest amount of millionaire households, as well as ultra-high-net-worth-households. The U.S. is home to the largest economy in the world — almost three times the size of China's, the next biggest. There is also a growing income gap in the country. In 2009, the top 20% of earners, or those making $100,000 or more a year, made half of all income generated in the country, according to the US Census. The bottom 20% made only 3.4%.You were saying?

You have done nothing more than to prove my point – liberals will not rest until everybody makes the same, no matter their contribution. Income inequality is a natural phenomenon of the free market system, a system liberals have been trying to undermine since WWI. It is also a naturally-adjusting characteristic that, if left alone, will rebalance itself. Instead, liberals, in their arrogance, think they know better than the natural laws of economics. I suggest you read Thomas Piketty before you go any further … clearly, you have only a child’s understanding of macro-economics.

What an outstanding, and extremely appropriate, response. You have just laid out your counter-position so admirably – well, certainly at the level we’ve come to expect from you.

Simply not true.

The Title X and XX funding is given to the States to be managed by the States. You can look it up if you don't believe me. Feel free.

What is true is the old adage that charity begins at home. In a market society, there are upswings and downturns. During downturns, less charity will be delivered to organizations. If the charity was in the business of helping you rig your yacht, it wouldn't be important. People are counting on aid in many cases so reliance upon the Baptist Church Pantry having full funding during a recession is a precarious position. Reliance upon school lunch programs being fully funded by uncle Sam through the States is more secure.

You use Title X and XX as your example of charity?? Seriously? Those are federal tax dollars, taken from people, not given freely. Title X is for free contraception – something a significant part of our citizenry objects to. THAT is charity? That’s not charity ... that subsidizing.

Given your apparent belief that you know everything, I’m sure you’re aware that 38% of every tax dollar is not returned to the people, but is consumed in the running of the government. That means, if I had $1000 to give to Title XX activities, $380 ends up ‘consumed’. On the other hand, if I give $1000 to a charity, $1000 ends up providing benefits.

That ain’t charity – that’s a rip-off.

You’re right - charity begins at home … at a conservative home. Liberals, on the other hand, avoid their social responsibility and demand that government provide the safety net. In fact, the average charitable activity by a conservative is $1600/year, while it is only $400/year for self-centered liberals.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2014/10/17/Who-s-More-Generous-Liberals-or-Conservatives

http://www.rt.com/usa/193952-charity-conservatives-religion-utah/

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/03/are_liberals_less_selfish_than_other_people.html

Surprise Conservatives are more generous than liberals The Daily Caller

Read them and weep. Your gingerbread house just came tumbling down.

 

[hipeter924]

Was it four for the price of one on assumptions down at the supermarket today or what?

Firstly, this isn't about being independent or not.

You're telling me that only right wing teaches people to be independent. Rubbish. Good education, which is generally more supported by the left than the right, is education which teaches independence of mind.

I didn't say greedy people. I said people who no longer cared. People who had their position in life and didn't want to lose it. Doesn't mean they're greedy.

Also, I didn't say the govt was the only body capable of handling all of people's needs.

So "people like you" as you referred me to, isn't people like me at all. It's people you pretend I am because you're jumping all over assumptions like there's no tomorrow.

"Good education" like this:
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Voted to Ban AP U.S. History
The conservative lawmakers' issues with the course, which was taken by 344,938 students in 2013, can be traced back to retired high-school history teacher Larry S. Krieger. Two years ago, the College Board released a revised framework for the exam, which took effect this fall. Krieger was incensed by the changes. "As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters," he said during a conference call in August, according toNewsweek.

Krieger complained that the framework portrays the Founding Fathers as "bigots" and suggests that Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority," rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent," as he put it. And instead of discussing the "the valor or heroism of American soldiers" during World War II, the course outline mentions U.S. internment camps and moral questions raised by the dropping of the atomic bomb.
These included everything from more focus on minorities to a reference to President Reagan's "bellicose rhetoric." Their effort got a huge boost when the Republican National Committee adopted a resolution last August that said the framework "reflects a radically revisionist view of American history.
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Want to Ban AP US History -- NYMag

This "good education" that teaches the valor of our prior generations was for bad purposes... our soldiers killed people needlessly,etc. all the things that make the USA look like the bad guys... that's a "good education"???

Frankly when people talk about "good education" I immediately think of this product of a "good education" who told us he had to fool us and trick us to get his way! I'm sure you are a FFO by your attitude and responses...

Obama told us in his book..."Dreams of My Father"
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied.
They were revealed.
Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

No....

Good education isn't education which says "The US is amazing" or "The US is bad".

Good education is "these are the facts, what do you think?"

I 100% agree!
But that's not what this biased statement in the AP US history books being used to "educate" children.
"Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority,"
rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent,"

This was NOT educating but "editorializing".
This premise that the USA is the bad guy is replete in our liberal educational system.
Even YOU I'm sure use the word "Invasion" of Iraq which was used by the biased MSM to make the USA out the bad guys....yet
under a liberal President Clinton the basis for the "Liberation of Iraq" (NOTE word change???) was a law enacted by Congress (Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502) AND signed by Clinton in 1998 the objective:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
What changed from 1998 to "2003 Invasion of Iraq"? Political party change.
So if you can't see how our educational system buttressed by our MSM has completely made the USA the bad guys...(remember there were only
11 out 200,000 soldiers in Iraq caused Abu Ghraib yet people like you destroyed our war successes with the MSM by blowing this so out of proportion!
This is the problem with people like you liberals! You don't comprehend the damages words and images do and how you think you are being so pious and compassion and open minded while at the same time (i.e. Cecil the Lion commands more MSM attention then the crushed baby parts)!

Manifest destiny has effected all major countries and empires at some point, and is not purely a white western phenomenon.

Turkey had it (and still does)*, China has it over the South China Sea and Asia, Iran wants more of the Middle East, as does Saudi Arabia*, and so on.

*The US government supports Turkish manifest destiny, as it does with Saudi Arabia; or a repeat of the cold-war if he's 'our guy' he can declare war on or wipe out as many people as he wants.

So why then if it is "commonplace" was it treated with historical inaccuracy in addition to negative presentation of the "USA is the bad guy" crowd,i.e. the people that made our founding fathers to be "bigots","racists", etc. is this what the liberal progressive crowd OK with depicting?

I'm sure people like you that are pretending to "intellectually honest" don't see the "dishonesty" at play here much less the damages your contempt for American history does especially when it fosters phony perceptions for susceptible students.

You have your head up your ass, if you think the US is a clean slate, and that the founders didn't have the flaws inherent in the society of the time. The historical revisionism you follow is such a comfort, but with no grounding in fact.

America is not bad as other countries as it admits the flaws in its past, rather than brush it under the carpet like Turkey or Japan.

Where you see 'contempt', everyone else sees history, good or bad. Enjoy being stuck in the early 20th century, with propaganda films, as the rest of America has moved on, and is not as insecure as you are.

 

[Socialist]

Most things they think about liberals just isn't so. The picture that Limbaugh and Hannity and such paint of liberals has to include every derogatory characteristic they can think of so their mindless talk radio followers will have every possible reason to disagree with the left. It's all part of the brainwashing that any right winger has to go through to become a right winger.

You're not a liberal, you're a leftist.

You have utterly nothing in common with the beliefs and views of George Mason, Tom Jefferson, Thomas Paine, et al.

Now Joe Stalin, Pol Pot, and Hugo Chavez you have everything in common with.

What the hell are you talking about? All "leftists" support stalin? LOL.
Pol pot was hardly a "leftist" he was an agrarian populist who essentially rejected communism once he acquired power, and he was BACKED UP BY THE UNITED STATES. Fucking idiot.
Hugo chavez? I admire the man.

 

[Debra K]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

Hello bedowin62. Please enlighten us. Define the word "liberal". Describe one conversation you have had with a "young liberal" and, using critical thinking skills, tell us why you concluded that the young person was a "brainwashed zombie".

Well how about YOU explaining this illustration of "brainwashed zombie" belief?
You and millions of zombies really believed Obama's "46 million uninsured Americans" statement. You believe that right????

Answer YES or no. If you believe Obama was correct then the straight simple answer NO other answer is "YES" OK???
Please answer as I'd like to prove to you how wrong you and you zombies were!

Why are you seizing upon an irrelevant "factoid" to voice your outrage? Don't you believe there are millions of people struggling to afford healthcare? Do you believe that no one is struggling? How many millions have to struggle before there exists a problem in your viewpoint?

Personally, I don't like Obamacare. I don't agree with the Supreme Court ruling that our federal government can force individuals to buy a product that they don't want or be penalized under the tax code. But I also understand that my agreement or disagreement with the decision doesn't matter. The Supreme Court ruled that the mandate is constitutional and that is the law of the land. That means that I must petition the lawmakers and voice my grievance and hope the law will be changed.

My husband and I must pay nearly $1,400 a month to get a basic policy. Most years, we won't even meet our deductible and co-pay obligations under the basic policy. But I also know, from personal experience, that the cost of healthcare is outrageously high. I was hospitalized for seven days not so long ago and, when all the bills are added, it cost approximately $50,000.00 to obtain medical services necessary to gain back my health.

I understand that there is a problem in this country because healthcare is extremely expensive. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to accept the fact that there are millions of people in this country who cannot afford huge premiums for health insurance nor huge medical bills. Maybe today you might have a job with an employer who provides healthcare insurance as a benefit, but maybe that job will be gone tomorrow. How many people have $50,000.00 in their back pocket to pay medical bills arising from an illness? what about the next bout of illness when the savings have been exhausted? It isn't just "poor people" who are struggling with the high cost of medical care ... lots of middle class people are also struggling.

Personally, I would rather pay that $1,400 a month to the government and have a solid single-payer system enacted. I don't like being forced to pay that money to a corporation that is only interested in profits, and not in my healthcare.

FACTS! where are they? Totally missing.
A) Doctors interviewed say they practice defensive medicine out of fear of lawsuits. Ins. companies then pay these claims.
Total wasted about due to fear of lawsuits: $850 BILLION a year.
Source:
Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year.
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
BUT BUT !!!!!
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "

-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.

Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were they?
Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"???
1946 Tort reform!
http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf
So why didn't we have tort reform for civilian doctors that would have prevented insurance claims paid out yearly of $850 billion?
Please explain that?
People like you have no idea what is involved in the process of claims. I do. I am an expert.
I'm telling you that you idiots that think that suing the doctor for every little mistake will allow you to win the lawsuit lottery! YOU are the idiots
that cause doctors to practice $850 billion a year in defensive medicine...WHICH if you read closely Doctors under federal contract can't be sued.
HENCE they don't send defensive claims!

$850 billion a year spent foolishly doing duplicate tests,etc. and IF THAT OK... THAT's why your premiums are so high!

B) Dumb f...ks like you probably do mountain climbing. Snorkeling... skateboarding... ALL activities NO one did years ago and therefore there were never insurance claims paid for these stupid idiotic activities.
YET I see car advertising showing kids skateboarding! KEEP these stupid activities up and your costs keep climbing.

C) YOU have no idea how much the insurance companies pay out in claims do you? Dummies like you think they don't pay them!
FACT:
Benefit Expense Ratio:The benefit expense ratio was 84.8 percent in the fourth quarter of 2009, an increase of 140 basis points from 83.4 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008. The increase was driven primarily by higher medical cost trends in the Local Group business during 2009, due to elevated flu
Anthem Inc Investor Relations Investors
Obviously idiots like you don't know what the above is BUT in real simple terms:
The insurance company charged premiums. When claims came in 84.8% of the premiums WAS PAID OUT IN CLAIMS!!!
NOW do you comprehend that you dummy!

All you need do is stop making guesses!
Check the links I've provided for the FACTS!!!

You're no expert. You're a foul-mouthed charlatan.

 

[healthmyths]

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

Hello bedowin62. Please enlighten us. Define the word "liberal". Describe one conversation you have had with a "young liberal" and, using critical thinking skills, tell us why you concluded that the young person was a "brainwashed zombie".

Well how about YOU explaining this illustration of "brainwashed zombie" belief?
You and millions of zombies really believed Obama's "46 million uninsured Americans" statement. You believe that right????

Answer YES or no. If you believe Obama was correct then the straight simple answer NO other answer is "YES" OK???
Please answer as I'd like to prove to you how wrong you and you zombies were!

Why are you seizing upon an irrelevant "factoid" to voice your outrage? Don't you believe there are millions of people struggling to afford healthcare? Do you believe that no one is struggling? How many millions have to struggle before there exists a problem in your viewpoint?

Personally, I don't like Obamacare. I don't agree with the Supreme Court ruling that our federal government can force individuals to buy a product that they don't want or be penalized under the tax code. But I also understand that my agreement or disagreement with the decision doesn't matter. The Supreme Court ruled that the mandate is constitutional and that is the law of the land. That means that I must petition the lawmakers and voice my grievance and hope the law will be changed.

My husband and I must pay nearly $1,400 a month to get a basic policy. Most years, we won't even meet our deductible and co-pay obligations under the basic policy. But I also know, from personal experience, that the cost of healthcare is outrageously high. I was hospitalized for seven days not so long ago and, when all the bills are added, it cost approximately $50,000.00 to obtain medical services necessary to gain back my health.

I understand that there is a problem in this country because healthcare is extremely expensive. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to accept the fact that there are millions of people in this country who cannot afford huge premiums for health insurance nor huge medical bills. Maybe today you might have a job with an employer who provides healthcare insurance as a benefit, but maybe that job will be gone tomorrow. How many people have $50,000.00 in their back pocket to pay medical bills arising from an illness? what about the next bout of illness when the savings have been exhausted? It isn't just "poor people" who are struggling with the high cost of medical care ... lots of middle class people are also struggling.

Personally, I would rather pay that $1,400 a month to the government and have a solid single-payer system enacted. I don't like being forced to pay that money to a corporation that is only interested in profits, and not in my healthcare.

FACTS! where are they? Totally missing.
A) Doctors interviewed say they practice defensive medicine out of fear of lawsuits. Ins. companies then pay these claims.
Total wasted about due to fear of lawsuits: $850 BILLION a year.
Source:
Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year.
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
BUT BUT !!!!!
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "

-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.

Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were they?
Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"???
1946 Tort reform!
http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf
So why didn't we have tort reform for civilian doctors that would have prevented insurance claims paid out yearly of $850 billion?
Please explain that?
People like you have no idea what is involved in the process of claims. I do. I am an expert.
I'm telling you that you idiots that think that suing the doctor for every little mistake will allow you to win the lawsuit lottery! YOU are the idiots
that cause doctors to practice $850 billion a year in defensive medicine...WHICH if you read closely Doctors under federal contract can't be sued.
HENCE they don't send defensive claims!

$850 billion a year spent foolishly doing duplicate tests,etc. and IF THAT OK... THAT's why your premiums are so high!

B) Dumb f...ks like you probably do mountain climbing. Snorkeling... skateboarding... ALL activities NO one did years ago and therefore there were never insurance claims paid for these stupid idiotic activities.
YET I see car advertising showing kids skateboarding! KEEP these stupid activities up and your costs keep climbing.

C) YOU have no idea how much the insurance companies pay out in claims do you? Dummies like you think they don't pay them!
FACT:
Benefit Expense Ratio:The benefit expense ratio was 84.8 percent in the fourth quarter of 2009, an increase of 140 basis points from 83.4 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008. The increase was driven primarily by higher medical cost trends in the Local Group business during 2009, due to elevated flu
Anthem Inc Investor Relations Investors
Obviously idiots like you don't know what the above is BUT in real simple terms:
The insurance company charged premiums. When claims came in 84.8% of the premiums WAS PAID OUT IN CLAIMS!!!
NOW do you comprehend that you dummy!

All you need do is stop making guesses!
Check the links I've provided for the FACTS!!!

You're no expert. You're a foul-mouthed charlatan.

And all you needed to do is check my links! I didn't make any of those facts up!
90% of the doctors interviewed said they practiced defensive medicine and they estimated $850 billion was wasted because of idiots like you!
I also provided facts about the insurance industry and you totally ignored or more likely didn't comprehend the concept that if you have to spend
80% of what comes in to cover the claims i.e. these bogus defensive medicine all because idiots like you do stupid activities or believe you can get
lucky in the malpractice lottery!
You are to be totally ignored as you are totally ignorant.
Look at the links before you open your idiotic mouth!

 

[frigidweirdo]

I 100% agree!
But that's not what this biased statement in the AP US history books being used to "educate" children.
"Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority,"
rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent,"

This was NOT educating but "editorializing".
This premise that the USA is the bad guy is replete in our liberal educational system.
Even YOU I'm sure use the word "Invasion" of Iraq which was used by the biased MSM to make the USA out the bad guys....yet
under a liberal President Clinton the basis for the "Liberation of Iraq" (NOTE word change???) was a law enacted by Congress (Resolution of 2002 (Public law 107-243, 116 Stat. 1497-1502) AND signed by Clinton in 1998 the objective:
"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
What changed from 1998 to "2003 Invasion of Iraq"? Political party change.
So if you can't see how our educational system buttressed by our MSM has completely made the USA the bad guys...(remember there were only
11 out 200,000 soldiers in Iraq caused Abu Ghraib yet people like you destroyed our war successes with the MSM by blowing this so out of proportion!
This is the problem with people like you liberals! You don't comprehend the damages words and images do and how you think you are being so pious and compassion and open minded while at the same time (i.e. Cecil the Lion commands more MSM attention then the crushed baby parts)!

The US did INVADE Iraq. You can't hide the fact the US was the BAD GUY. Just because Saddam was a bad guy too doesn't make the US any better.
However, education should give the facts and then let kids decide.

You say you agree with me, then you go and set out why kids should learn what you think they should learn, rather than making choices for themselves.