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Then why do you peddle in the lies of the confederates kk?
Well that's quite a dishonest question, but why do I not condemn the south and praise the north? Because they're both equally guilty of crimes.
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Then why do you peddle in the lies of the confederates kk?
Not too worry, KK. The 13 Amendment took care of that for them, for you, and for me. Don't worry about it. It's OK.
It certainly did. But to suggest that the war was fought to free slaves or that the northern states were some great haven of freedom for former-slaves or blacks in general is ridiculous. Also, to deny and ignore the crimes northern troops committed against slaves and other innocent southerners is appalling.
You mischaracterized the OP. Slavery caused the war, but the war was not fought to free slaves if that is what you mean. Lincoln was quite clear "union first" then worry about slavery. I think once the South fired on Ft Sumter, Lincoln decided immediately that he would end slavery if he could.
Go get your sources for unions soldiers being monsters?
I hope you not using mises for that too?
KK has fought this battle a dozen times over the last few months and has failed every time.
He will fail here again as well.
His real argument is "the South had the constitutional right to succeed" because he is a libertarian. He will misread Lincoln as well.
Like, who cares?
I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
On December 20, 1860, South Carolina seceded. By Febrary 1, 1861, six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- had split from the Union. The seceded states created the Confederate States of America and elected Jefferson Davis, a Mississippi Senator, as their provisional president.
That book is written by a southern white man
The War for Southern Independence did not begin directly over slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was quite clear in his inaugural address March 4th, 1861.
I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
This speech was given one month AFTER South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas had ALREADY succeeded.
On December 20, 1860, South Carolina seceded. By Febrary 1, 1861, six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- had split from the Union. The seceded states created the Confederate States of America and elected Jefferson Davis, a Mississippi Senator, as their provisional president.
End of story. You can attempt to revise history, but these facts remain immutable.
The War for Southern Independence did not begin directly over slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was quite clear in his inaugural address March 4th, 1861.
This speech was given one month AFTER South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas had ALREADY succeeded.I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
End of story. You can attempt to revise history, but these facts remain immutable.On December 20, 1860, South Carolina seceded. By Febrary 1, 1861, six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- had split from the Union. The seceded states created the Confederate States of America and elected Jefferson Davis, a Mississippi Senator, as their provisional president.
Don't misdirect the OP. The war was caused by slavery, but Lincoln did not engage to eliminate slavery in the War of Southern Aggression until the South foolishly fired on Old Glory and metaphorically spitting in the faces of George Washington and the Patriots and all of their sacrifices.
Vice-President Stephens of the CSA was very clear why the war was fought. Read his March 1861 speech at Cornerstone Speech by Alexander H. Stephens. Check out paragraph nine clearly, for it explodes your theory into little bits.
Not too worry, KK. The 13 Amendment took care of that for them, for you, and for me. Don't worry about it. It's OK.
It certainly did. But to suggest that the war was fought to free slaves or that the northern states were some great haven of freedom for former-slaves or blacks in general is ridiculous. Also, to deny and ignore the crimes northern troops committed against slaves and other innocent southerners is appalling.
You mischaracterized the OP. Slavery caused the war, but the war was not fought to free slaves if that is what you mean. Lincoln was quite clear "union first" then worry about slavery. I think once the South fired on Ft Sumter, Lincoln decided immediately that he would end slavery if he could.
KK has fought this battle a dozen times over the last few months and has failed every time.
He will fail here again as well.
His real argument is "the South had the constitutional right to succeed" because he is a libertarian. He will misread Lincoln as well.
Like, who cares?
In your opinion I've failed, perhaps. But really, how can one fail in making a point on a message board? I made my point successfully, if you don't agree with it then that's your prerogative.
The War for Southern Independence did not begin directly over slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was quite clear in his inaugural address March 4th, 1861.
I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
This speech was given one month AFTER South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas had ALREADY succeeded.
On December 20, 1860, South Carolina seceded. By Febrary 1, 1861, six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- had split from the Union. The seceded states created the Confederate States of America and elected Jefferson Davis, a Mississippi Senator, as their provisional president.
End of story. You can attempt to revise history, but these facts remain immutable.
KK has fought this battle a dozen times over the last few months and has failed every time.
He will fail here again as well.
His real argument is "the South had the constitutional right to succeed" because he is a libertarian. He will misread Lincoln as well.
Like, who cares?
In your opinion I've failed, perhaps. But really, how can one fail in making a point on a message board? I made my point successfully, if you don't agree with it then that's your prerogative.
Actually the south had the right to secede based on the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. It's a shame our schools don't really teach American History anymore.
The War for Southern Independence did not begin directly over slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was quite clear in his inaugural address March 4th, 1861.
I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.
This speech was given one month AFTER South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas had ALREADY succeeded.
On December 20, 1860, South Carolina seceded. By Febrary 1, 1861, six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- had split from the Union. The seceded states created the Confederate States of America and elected Jefferson Davis, a Mississippi Senator, as their provisional president.
End of story. You can attempt to revise history, but these facts remain immutable.
Ah but it is you that are revising history. It is even possible to miss the truth when quoting directly not out of context. Do a little more research and you will discover that Lincolln was very much against slavery but to get southern votes and his secretary of state and vice president he presented himself in a light that some have called dishonest. I cannot give you the bames off the tip of my toungue but the jist of what I am saying is 100% true.
The War for Southern Independence did not begin directly over slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was quite clear in his inaugural address March 4th, 1861.
This speech was given one month AFTER South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas had ALREADY succeeded.
End of story. You can attempt to revise history, but these facts remain immutable.
Don't misdirect the OP. The war was caused by slavery, but Lincoln did not engage to eliminate slavery in the War of Southern Aggression until the South foolishly fired on Old Glory and metaphorically spitting in the faces of George Washington and the Patriots and all of their sacrifices.
Vice-President Stephens of the CSA was very clear why the war was fought. Read his March 1861 speech at Cornerstone Speech by Alexander H. Stephens. Check out paragraph nine clearly, for it explodes your theory into little bits.
That is absolutely wrong Jake, Stephens views on slavery are a moot point.
South Carolina succeeded from the Union. The citizens of South Carolina fired on the Star of the West, which was attempting to reinforce the Union fort LOCATED IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
As for "spitting in the face of Washington and the Patriots -
First both Washington and the majority of the patriots of the American War of Independence were slave owners.
Second Washington and the patriots launched a War of Independence against a government that did not represent the American people.
The Confederates followed their example.
The War for Southern Independence did not begin directly over slavery.
Abraham Lincoln was quite clear in his inaugural address March 4th, 1861.
This speech was given one month AFTER South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas had ALREADY succeeded.
End of story. You can attempt to revise history, but these facts remain immutable.
Don't misdirect the OP. The war was caused by slavery, but Lincoln did not engage to eliminate slavery in the War of Southern Aggression until the South foolishly fired on Old Glory and metaphorically spitting in the faces of George Washington and the Patriots and all of their sacrifices.
Vice-President Stephens of the CSA was very clear why the war was fought. Read his March 1861 speech at Cornerstone Speech by Alexander H. Stephens. Check out paragraph nine clearly, for it explodes your theory into little bits.
That is absolutely wrong Jake, Stephens views on slavery are a moot point.
South Carolina succeeded from the Union. The citizens of South Carolina fired on the Star of the West, which was attempting to reinforce the Union fort LOCATED IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
As for "spitting in the face of Washington and the Patriots -
First both Washington and the majority of the patriots of the American War of Independence were slave owners.
Second Washington and the patriots launched a War of Independence against a government that did not represent the American people.
The Confederates followed their example.
Do you think those slaves were ordered to fight for their masters?