Colorado folds, Trump on ballot

[Kondor3]

what is it about trump that reveals all your insecurities as a binary human?

His personality and (understandably perceived) lack of good character. His willingness to hold onto power by any means.

 

[Kondor3]

It seems this is the underlying problem with the TDS afflicted. While you and others such as the Dem / Socialist SOS in Maine have an opinion that Trump is your personal Boogeyman, nothing in the Constitution identifies the right of any individual to deny the voters an opportunity to vote for their candidate of choice.

That you feel Trump is some, existential threat to American representative democracy™, (3 / 10 for the flaming melodrama), it seems the real threat are Dems / Socialists who unilaterally decide they alone are tasked with deciding who is and is not allowed to run for office.

You fail to answer the question.

Where in the Constitution (or subsequent statute) does it say that Congress must be the one to declare "Insurrection"?

 

[Billiejeens]

Colorado didn’t fold. The stay has been in place for a while until SCOTUS either takes up the case or decides not to

No change. No fold

Which equates to no change from the original plan.

 

[Hollie]

You fail to answer the question.

Where in the Constitution (or subsequent statute) does it say that Congress must be the one to declare "Insurrection"?

You fail to address the question. Where in the Constitution does it say that a partisan SOS can exclude a political candidate?

Identify the state code that allows the SOS to determine when and where some claimed insurrection™ took place and to then presume the authority to convict an individual of that crime and remove the individual from a ballot.

 

[luiza]

Great thread for noting the Gullibles amongst us .

A few are now desperately trying to deflect away from their stupidity .

But some actually believed that he could be removed from the ballot form .

Just wait for the huge news coming . Complete mental break downs will exceed the recent and sometimes continuing Killer Shot denial mental illness .
A million times more ?
Cannot wait . Complete mayhem .

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You fail to answer the question.

Where in the Constitution (or subsequent statute) does it say that Congress must be the one to declare "Insurrection"?

14th amendment section 3. When it's a federal insurrection.

 

[Kondor3]

You fail to address the question. Where in the Constitution does it say that a partisan SOS can exclude a political candidate?

I asked first.

But I will answer you nonetheless.

1. the 14th Amendment bars Insurrectionists from office

2. Article 1, Section 4 says that the times, places and manner of elections shall be prescribed in each State

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The only issue here is whether or not a State -level official can declare an event to be an Insurrection on the FEDERAL level...

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Your turn...

Where in the Constitution or subsequent statute does it say that CONGRESS must be the one to declare Insurrection?

Identify the state code that allows the SOS to determine when and where some claimed insurrection™ took place and to then presume the authority to convict an individual of that crime and remove the individual from a ballot.

Not necessary, and outside both my competency and yours anyway.

Article 1 Section 4 gives States the power to regulate their own elections.

Each of 50 individual State constitutions prescribe the manner of elections within each State.

If power is given to the Secretary of State to oversee the provisioning of ballots and the running of the elections...

Then that's enough of a legal foundation for taking such actions...

The REAL question is.. was Trump's January 6, 2021 proxy assault on Congress actually an Insurrection in the legal sense?

If States are to lean on the 14th in this regard then an authoritative declaration of a state of Insurrection appears necessary.

And, insofar as I am aware, no official and authoritative proclamation exists along those lines.

In the absence of such a declaration, attempts to bar Trump from various State ballots appear to be doomed.

The question that was being asked when you "interrupted" was "Who gets to make such a declaration?".

Your colleague told us that only Congress could so declare.

I challenged that assertion and asked for a citation to support that (believed-to-be-mistaken) assertion.

You are welcome to try to support the "only Congress can declare Insurrection" position if you can do better with citations.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I asked first.

But I will answer you nonetheless.

1. the 14th Amendment bars Insurrectionists from office

2. Article 1, Section 4 says that the times, places and manner of elections shall be prescribed in each State

------

The only issue here is whether or not a State -level official can declare an event to be an Insurrection on the FEDERAL level...

------

Your turn...

Where in the Constitution or subsequent statute does it say that CONGRESS must be the one to declare Insurrection?

Not necessary, and outside both my competency and yours anyway.

Article 1 Section 4 gives States the power to regulate their own elections.

Each of 50 individual State constitutions prescribe the manner of elections within each State.

If power is given to the Secretary of State to oversee the provisioning of ballots and the running of the elections...k

Then that's enough of a legal foundation for taking such actions...

The REAL question is.. was Trump's January 6, 2021 proxy assault on Congress actually an Insurrection in the legal sense?

If States are to lean on the 14th in this regard then an authoritative declaration of a state of Insurrection appears necessary.

And, insofar as I am aware, no official and authoritative proclamation exists along those lines.

The 14th amendment is the jurisdiction of the federal government. Not the state

 

[Billiejeens]

I have no TDS. I have genuine and deep concerns over your boy's failure to turn-over the reins of power.

He is not a dictator - yet, but left to his own devices, his nature points him in that direction.

Who put this nonsense in your head?

 

[SavannahMann]

14th amendment section 3. When it's a federal insurrection.

It doesn’t say that.

Section 3​

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Congress has to act to remove the funding of Insurrection on an individual.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It doesn’t say that.

Section 3​

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Congress has to act to remove the funding of Insurrection on an individual.

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

 

[Hollie]

I asked first.

But I will answer you nonetheless.

1. the 14th Amendment bars Insurrectionists from office

2. Article 1, Section 4 says that the times, places and manner of elections shall be prescribed in each State

------

The only issue here is whether or not a State -level official can declare an event to be an Insurrection on the FEDERAL level...

------

Your turn...

Where in the Constitution or subsequent statute does it say that CONGRESS must be the one to declare Insurrection?

Not necessary, and outside both my competency and yours anyway.

Article 1 Section 4 gives States the power to regulate their own elections.

Each of 50 individual State constitutions prescribe the manner of elections within each State.

If power is given to the Secretary of State to oversee the provisioning of ballots and the running of the elections...

Then that's enough of a legal foundation for taking such actions...

The REAL question is.. was Trump's January 6, 2021 proxy assault on Congress actually an Insurrection in the legal sense?

If States are to lean on the 14th in this regard then an authoritative declaration of a state of Insurrection appears necessary.

And, insofar as I am aware, no official and authoritative proclamation exists along those lines.

In the absence of such a declaration, attempts to bar Trump from various State ballots appear to be doomed.

The question that was being asked when you "interrupted" was "Who gets to make such a declaration?".

Your colleague told us that only Congress could so declare.

I challenged that assertion and asked for a citation to support that (believed-to-be-mistaken) assertion.

You are welcome to try to support the "only Congress can declare Insurrection" position if you can do better with citations.

I’m impressed that you have determined the correct interpretation of the 14th amendment. Could you email the USSC and advise their ruling is not required?

I agree that, the real question is whether,
a) there was an insurrection™, and,
b) whether Trump could be charged with that crime.


Your statement:
The REAL question is.. was Trump's January 6, 2021 proxy assault on Congress actually an Insurrection in the legal sense?”

is obviously flawed. What is a “proxy assault”. It seems you have decided there was a “proxy assault” and subsequently decided there was an insurrection™.

This is the same flawed chain of presumptive “reasoning” by the leftist SOS’s.

 

[Lesh]

The 14th amendment is the jurisdiction of the federal government. Not the state

So states shouldn’t use it to determine who should be on the ballot?

They do use the Constitution to do so already. The Constitution states age limits and citizenship requirements that the states use as a criteria to determine who should be on the ballot

 

[SavannahMann]

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Yes. If you are found to be an Insurrectionist, you can’t serve in Federal Office unless Congress removes that finding, grants an exception, by a 2/3 majority.

 

[Lesh]

Yes. If you are found to be an Insurrectionist, you can’t serve in Federal Office unless Congress removes that finding, grants an exception, by a 2/3 majority.

So it doesn’t say Congress determines this, it says Congress can grant absolution

 

[Clyde 154]

We told you.

SCOTUS isn't going to uphold that insane decision and most knew it

Colorado to include Trump on 2024 primary ballot as state GOP appeals to Supreme Court

Colorado to include Trump on 2024 primary ballot as state GOP appeals to Supreme Court

The Colorado secretary of state is including former President Donald Trump on the 2024 primary ballot after an appeal of the state Supreme Court's ballot ban with the U.S. Supreme Court.

www.foxnews.com

Priceless...........the leftoids are always bitching about "Voter Suppression", now we find 2 states attempting to suppress the votes of all conservatives in these 2 states.

You have to luv it.........you can't make this sh.......t up. Trump scares the hell out of the establishment of Good Ole Boys.

 

[Hollie]

The Maine SOS lecturing others about the “will of the voters”.

 

[Blaster]

The Maine SOS lecturing others about the “will of the voters”.

She is just another Trump hating Democrat that will get slapped down by SCOTUS.

 

[pknopp]

I just scanned but did no one else actually understand what Colorado did here?

They are putting him on the ballot unless the Supreme Court rules they can not leave him off OR doesn't take the case. Right now there is no case to take. Trump is on the ballot so there is no harm. Supreme Court doesn't take the case and off comes Trump from the ballot.

 

[Billiejeens]

On Jan 6th PRESIDENT Trump was the head of the government.
It is even possible to have an insurrection against yourself?