Cardinal: remove "jesus is bastard" from Talmud!

[Sunni Man]

Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Todays Jews still use these Talmudic principals in their business dealings with non jews

 

[Ryan]

The earliest Christians were Jews. Can Judaism today still anticipate a savior other then Christ? The Jewish savior was supposed to be born of the "House of David" which require a non-earthly occurrence since that bloodline is no more, despite what Dan Brown and Pierre Plantard assert.

 

[Sunni Man]

The earliest Christians were Jews. Can Judaism today still anticipate a savior other then Christ? The Jewish savior was supposed to be born of the "House of David" which require a non-earthly occurrence since that bloodline is no more, despite what Ron Brown and Pierre Plantard assert.

Maybe - maybe not

What tribe was King David from?

 

[Ryan]

The earliest Christians were Jews. Can Judaism today still anticipate a savior other then Christ? The Jewish savior was supposed to be born of the "House of David" which require a non-earthly occurrence since that bloodline is no more, despite what Ron Brown and Pierre Plantard assert.

Maybe - maybe not

What tribe was King David from?

Seems like you have an answer read, if so give it a go.

 

[Sunni Man]

I do know that thru DNA testing of some jews with the last names of say, Cohen, Levi, and Levin.

Have been shown to be related and possibly from the Tribe of Levi

Which formed the Levitical priesthood.

Maybe descendents from other tribes could have their DNA show tribal linage.

Possibly back to King David

 

[Avatar4321]

The earliest Christians were Jews. Can Judaism today still anticipate a savior other then Christ? The Jewish savior was supposed to be born of the "House of David" which require a non-earthly occurrence since that bloodline is no more, despite what Dan Brown and Pierre Plantard assert.

You realize that David had so many children that most people on earth are probably somehow related to the House of David don't you? Heck, I can track my lineage back to the House of David. It's pretty easy once you hit a royal line and most people can at some point.

 

[deaddude]

I seem to recall that genetically we are all 32nd cousins or some such. So the messiah could pretty much be anyone. (From a "must be of the line of David" stand point.)

 

[The Rabbi]

The earliest Christians were Jews. Can Judaism today still anticipate a savior other then Christ? The Jewish savior was supposed to be born of the "House of David" which require a non-earthly occurrence since that bloodline is no more, despite what Dan Brown and Pierre Plantard assert.

You have made three of the most ignorant uninformed posts on this topic I have seen in a long time.
The Talmud is accepted by all Jews. It is indeed the basic book of Judaism.
There were many descendents of the House of David, including the late Lubavitcher Rebbe.
Your inaccurate and out of context quotations from Talmud speak for themselves. It is laughable. Try getting an education before you rant on about stuff you have no knowledge of.

As for the OP, I don't care if the Catholic Church changes its liturgy or not. It really has little to do with me. We are certainly not going to edit a millenia-old text just to suit them. The Church has spent most of its history censoring and burning the Talmud. All that has done is inspire Jews to maintain their faith even more.

 

[Sunni Man]

The Talmud is accepted by all Jews. It is indeed the basic book of Judaism.

I thought the Torah is the book that is the foundation of Judiasm?

 

[The Rabbi]

The Talmud is accepted by all Jews. It is indeed the basic book of Judaism.

I thought the Torah is the book that is the foundation of Judiasm?

As usual you thought wrong.

 

[Sunni Man]

The Talmud is accepted by all Jews. It is indeed the basic book of Judaism.

I thought the Torah is the book that is the foundation of Judiasm?

As usual you thought wrong.

The Talmud is written debates between Rabbi's about laws in the Torah

That would make the Torah the foundational text.

Plus the Torah is much older than the Talmud.

 

[The Rabbi]

I thought the Torah is the book that is the foundation of Judiasm?

As usual you thought wrong.

The Talmud is written debates between Rabbi's about laws in the Torah

That would make the Torah the foundational text.

Plus the Torah is much older than the Talmud.

Like I said, as usual you are wrong.

 

[Sunni Man]

As usual you thought wrong.

The Talmud is written debates between Rabbi's about laws in the Torah

That would make the Torah the foundational text.

Plus the Torah is much older than the Talmud.

Like I said, as usual you are wrong.

OK , how am I wrong?

 

[The Rabbi]

The Talmud is written debates between Rabbi's about laws in the Torah

That would make the Torah the foundational text.

Plus the Torah is much older than the Talmud.

Like I said, as usual you are wrong.

OK , how am I wrong?

Because your understanding of the two texts if fundamentally flawed and influenced by Protestant christianity.

 

[Sunni Man]

Like I said, as usual you are wrong.

OK , how am I wrong?

Because your understanding of the two texts if fundamentally flawed and influenced by Protestant christianity.

The Torah was the first book and contained the laws

These laws were discussed and became the oral laws

The Talmud is the oral laws debated by the rabbi's and then written down

If this isn't right, then please explain.

 

[JW Frogen]

Que Sera, Torah, what ever will be will be, regarless what freind imaginary, you need to believe.

La dee da dee da.

 

[Ryan]

The earliest Christians were Jews. Can Judaism today still anticipate a savior other then Christ? The Jewish savior was supposed to be born of the "House of David" which require a non-earthly occurrence since that bloodline is no more, despite what Dan Brown and Pierre Plantard assert.

You have made three of the most ignorant uninformed posts on this topic I have seen in a long time.
The Talmud is accepted by all Jews. It is indeed the basic book of Judaism.
There were many descendents of the House of David, including the late Lubavitcher Rebbe.
Your inaccurate and out of context quotations from Talmud speak for themselves. It is laughable. Try getting an education before you rant on about stuff you have no knowledge of.

As for the OP, I don't care if the Catholic Church changes its liturgy or not. It really has little to do with me. We are certainly not going to edit a millenia-old text just to suit them. The Church has spent most of its history censoring and burning the Talmud. All that has done is inspire Jews to maintain their faith even more.

If my posts are so ignorant as you claim then you should easily explain away the Karaites (a sect of Jews that reject the Talmud) who according to you do not exist since you claim that "the Talmud is accepted by all Jews." You can explain how this group, that must not exist, is wrong in the belief that no oral tradition was handed down from Mount Sinia.

You can also explain whether an Ethiopian can be a Jew or not and explain how the teachings of the Torah reached Ethiopia but the "supreme" Talmud never did. While you at it give the appropriate translation and context from the Babylonian Talmud, this should all be childs play for a 'teacher" as well informed as you would have to be.

 

[Sunni Man]

I have seen the Jews during religious services. Carrying around the Torah scrolls as part of the worship.

But I have never seen the Talmud or Talmud scrolls in any Jewish service. And I have attended several.

 

[Sunni Man]

The earliest Christians were Jews. Can Judaism today still anticipate a savior other then Christ? The Jewish savior was supposed to be born of the "House of David" which require a non-earthly occurrence since that bloodline is no more, despite what Dan Brown and Pierre Plantard assert.

You have made three of the most ignorant uninformed posts on this topic I have seen in a long time.
The Talmud is accepted by all Jews. It is indeed the basic book of Judaism.
There were many descendents of the House of David, including the late Lubavitcher Rebbe.
Your inaccurate and out of context quotations from Talmud speak for themselves. It is laughable. Try getting an education before you rant on about stuff you have no knowledge of.

As for the OP, I don't care if the Catholic Church changes its liturgy or not. It really has little to do with me. We are certainly not going to edit a millenia-old text just to suit them. The Church has spent most of its history censoring and burning the Talmud. All that has done is inspire Jews to maintain their faith even more.

If my posts are so ignorant as you claim then you should easily explain away the Karaites (a sect of Jews that reject the Talmud) who according to you do not exist since you claim that "the Talmud is accepted by all Jews." You can explain how this group, that must not exist, is wrong in the belief that no oral tradition was handed down from Mount Sinia.

You can also explain whether an Ethiopian can be a Jew or not and explain how the teachings of the Torah reached Ethiopia but the "supreme" Talmud never did. While you at it give the appropriate translation and context from the Babylonian Talmud, this should all be childs play for a 'teacher" as well informed as you would have to be.

The Samaritan Jews don't accept the Talmud either.

 

[Ryan]

You have made three of the most ignorant uninformed posts on this topic I have seen in a long time.
The Talmud is accepted by all Jews. It is indeed the basic book of Judaism.
There were many descendents of the House of David, including the late Lubavitcher Rebbe.
Your inaccurate and out of context quotations from Talmud speak for themselves. It is laughable. Try getting an education before you rant on about stuff you have no knowledge of.

As for the OP, I don't care if the Catholic Church changes its liturgy or not. It really has little to do with me. We are certainly not going to edit a millenia-old text just to suit them. The Church has spent most of its history censoring and burning the Talmud. All that has done is inspire Jews to maintain their faith even more.

If my posts are so ignorant as you claim then you should easily explain away the Karaites (a sect of Jews that reject the Talmud) who according to you do not exist since you claim that "the Talmud is accepted by all Jews." You can explain how this group, that must not exist, is wrong in the belief that no oral tradition was handed down from Mount Sinia.

You can also explain whether an Ethiopian can be a Jew or not and explain how the teachings of the Torah reached Ethiopia but the "supreme" Talmud never did. While you at it give the appropriate translation and context from the Babylonian Talmud, this should all be childs play for a 'teacher" as well informed as you would have to be.

The Samaritan Jews don't accept the Talmud either.

Maybe Talmudic Law deems non Jews unworthy refutation or maybe the explation in unworthy. I would have been interested in the issue that I was told I was "ignorant uninformed" and to "try getting an education before you rant on about stuff you have no knowledge of."

Since most of Judaism does embrace the Talmud as superior to the Torah then the logical conclusion is that the "Judeo-Christian" tradition is a myth. The Talmud shares no traditions with Christianity.