Jesus is the Light... Not God, though. Are there lots of Gods, or just one..

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    Jesus is the light:

    God said "Let there be light.. and there was!!"

    God made Jesus in his image..

    And God made Adam in his image. Is Adam, then, a God, too?

    David- He had to be a God, also, then, too-
    Ruth 4 - Passage Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
    45 David said to the Philistine, "You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the LORD Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the LORD will hand you over to me, and I'll strike you down and cut off your head. Today I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel. 47 All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the LORD saves; for the battle is the LORD's, and he will give all of you into our hands."


    1 Samuel 17 - Passage Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
    26 David asked the men standing near him, "What will be done for the man who kills this Philistine and removes this disgrace from Israel? Who is this uncircumcised Philistine that he should defy the armies of the living God?"

    34 But David said to Saul, "Your servant has been keeping his father's sheep. When a lion or a bear came and carried off a sheep from the flock, 35 I went after it, struck it and rescued the sheep from its mouth. When it turned on me, I seized it by its hair, struck it and killed it.

    1 Samuel 18
    Saul's Jealousy of David
    1 After David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself.

    Guess this means Johnathan was a God, then too.. The oneness is noted.
    Eliab, David's brother must have been a God, also-
    1 Samuel 17 - Passage Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com


    Bsck to David being a God, too-
    28 When Eliab, David's oldest brother, heard him speaking with the men, he burned with anger at him and asked, "Why have you come down here? And with whom did you leave those few sheep in the desert? I know how conceited you are and how wicked your heart is; you came down only to watch the battle."

    10 The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand 11 and he hurled it, saying to himself, "I'll pin David to the wall." But David eluded him twice.

    12 Saul was afraid of David, because the LORD was with David but had left Saul.

    Oh and a sidenote-

    1 Samuel 16:18
    One of the servants answered, "I have seen a son of Jesse of Bethlehem who knows how to play the harp. He is a brave man and a warrior. He speaks well and is a fine-looking man. And the LORD is with him."

    1 Samuel 16:23
    Whenever the spirit from God came upon Saul, David would take his harp and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him.

    2 Samuel 1:1 After the death of Saul, David returned from defeating the Amalekites and stayed in Ziklag two days. 2 On the third day a man arrived from Saul's camp, with his clothes torn and with dust on his head. When he came to David, he fell to the ground to pay him honor.

    OK End sarcasm for the moment here..

    Some of this could just as easily be construed to mean that a great deal of other people are also Gods, just based on a single word or the meaning that one might wish to pull from the verses, combined..

    The word became flesh.. The word was with God, WAS God, in the beginning..

    BUT consider this- The word is not necessarily a being, at all..

    11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

    15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

    The point is, God gave MANY people special powers.. It is not uncommon for this to happen. It does not mean anything literal, and does not make circular logic any more logical, that "because this makes sense, then this makes sense, to go with it, even if the two can make sense separately, rather than being joined as one conditional belief."

    God is in Everything and Everyone. We all add to the Holy Spirit of oneness with God.. So we are all Godlike, as well. We even decended from his image.. Adam.

    The trinity is not enough.. God can be GREAT and ALL POWERFUL as ONE, and Giving or having SPECIAL POWERS and certain talents or gifts in EVERY, but He can NEVER be more than one, not even in the concept of three natures, manifesting themselves as if to be three entities, and then worshipped only as to be Jesus- a mere manifestation of only one nature.

    God is far more than three natures.. I have definitely been enlightened by the last thread on the trinity, but I am still unconvinced that Jesus is God, any more than I am convinced that others may be God also, including ourselves..

    John 14, if studied and read thoroughly, is an excellent explanation as to who Jesus is. Not a God.. But a savior..

    1"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God[a]; trust also in me. 2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going."
    Jesus the Way to the Father
    5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"

    6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

    8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

    9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

    Jesus is in the house of the Father- the Creation of God.. And God is in him.. Jesus is made BY God- God is his TRUE father..

    God is TOTALLY SUPREME to Jesus. Stop worshipping Jesus. Thank him, and herald him, but do not bow down to him. This is still worshipping false Gods, even as honorable a man as Jesus was..
     
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    Hi JD:

    Not exactly. You are trying to transform "Jesus" into "The Word," which is the Father + Son + Holy Spirit (under red arrow). The fact is that God and The Word are the "Same Thing" in God's Infinite Realm (far left):

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    In the beginning God created the Heaven (The Word) and the Earth (Adam). Again, God 'and' The Word are the Same Thing in God's Infinite Realm where the Satanic Rebellion happened in the first place. God's Plan is to bring His "son of God" (Luke 3:38) back to life in God's Infinite Realm where "You are gods" (Ps. 82:6, Jn 10:34) too. However, for God to bring Adam back to life 'and' judge Satan and all of those he deceived into helping him murder Adam, God told 'The Word' to:
    When Scripture says, "In the beginning God created the Heaven . . .," then God created the "Heaven" very much perfect and mature and complete as His Living "Word" of John 1:2. You see no "My Father who is IN HEAVEN" and see no "Son" and see no "Holy Spirit," because They all exist as "ONE" and the same thing. In the very same way, God created 'The Earth' in Genesis 1:1, which is "Adam," or an exact duplicate of His 'son of God' that Satan murdered in His Infinite Realm. God 'and' The Word/Heaven 'and' the Earth/Adam all existed as Singularity Expressions throughout 'all' the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1.

    The 'big bang' of creation has NOTHING to do with God creating the Word and Adam (again) in Genesis 1:1 (see my Topic), but everything to do with the Earth (Adam) becoming 'formless and void' in Genesis 1:2!!! Only then do we see the 'three witnesses' of The Earth come into being as the 'heavens' and 'earth' (2Peter 3:5) and 'heaven' of Genesis 1:8. See 1Kings 8:27 for 'heaven' (Gen. 1:8 = of this universe) 'and' the Highest Heaven (Gen. 1:1 = F+S+HS).

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    Now you 'can' see the heavens, heaven and earth where 'The Earth' was previously the Singularity Expression. However, God could not send "The Light" (Christ = Gen. 1:3, Jn 1:4-9) into the 'broken' Adamic Universe, because He continued to exist as "The Word" that had yet to be 'broken.' God had to sacrifice 'The Word/Heaven,' so He could become the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (diagram); so God 'could' then send The Light into this broken creation to save sinners. Now you 'can' see "My Father who is IN HEAVEN" who is the 'spirit witness' of 'The Word' now expressed as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19). Now you 'can' see God's Three Witnesses from Revelation 1:8 (diagram) in God To Come, God Who Is and God Who Was like you have a spirit, soul and body (pic). If you do not know the differences between God 'and' My Father who is IN HEAVEN, then see my Topic here. Jesus Christ is the "Man Of The Heaven" while John the Baptist (Adam) is the "Man Of The Earth" (my Topic).

    Yes! God created Adam as a 'god' in His Infinite Realm, BEFORE Satan murdered him in the first place. This entire universe represents just one 'son of god' and his name is Adam.

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    The Earth (visible universe) is Adam's Body (Eve half), while the Heaven (bottom in red) is Adam's enlarging Soul. The Heavens represents Adam's Spirit where the angels look down on the Heaven and Earth. Ages and ages will pass and eventually the Heavens and Earth will become 'one' and the same thing in 'Heaven," and God will become "all in all." 1Cor. 15:28 (pic).

    David is another 'skin' (Gen. 3:21 = pic) for your father Adam like Joshua, Abraham, Elijah and John the Baptist. Bathsheba is a skin for your mother Eve like Noah, Moses and Sarah. These are God's two olive trees (on earth) and lampstands (in heaven) from Zechariah 4:11-14 and Revelation 11. This is the 'prophet' of Acts 3:22-23 coming to restore all things . . . at the door even now . . .

    GL,

    Terral
     
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    :lol: I was being sarcastic..

    They want to say that Jesus was the word.. and that Jesus was also the light.. so since the word was with God in the beginning and the word was made flesh for the new covenant, then the light was also Jesus in the beginning, too, according to trinitarian logic...

    In fact there would be like 8 different gods, according to their own logic.

    I was just being a brat.. And please- those diagrams do not make sense, and I do not believe in what you believe, either, even though you do not consider yourself a trinitarian, your arguments do not add up to anything but a different concept/ triad of trinitarianism. I appreciate your responses, still, but I have quit reading them, because they are too based on human explanations rather than scripture.
     
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    Oh ps- I also believe that God and the word are the same thing.. I see the word as a form of teaching, not as an entity, whatsoever. Again, my OP was just being sarcastic and exaggerating the beliefs of the false trinity, based on scripture and how they can possibly spin it.
     
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    The real answer, and the only one you can trust from anyone, "I don't know". No one alive does know, until you die you can't know. ;)
     
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    Oh and the body IS the soul-

    Genesis chapter one

    "and Adam became a living soul"

    His body was already a soul, just not yet living, then after God breathed the breath of life into it, his body CAME alive and BECAME a living soul.


    Genesis 2 (King James Version)

    7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


    The concept of souls is really confused for most unless we started out studying the KJV.. The newer versions use better terminology so as to try and not to confuse us. Well, they do their best at it anyways.. But people still get confused because the Genesis account is not written the same way, and some other things are just edited better. It helps to know the translation history to understand the meanings and all that. =)
     
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    Hi JD:

    Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. This side of the Jesus = Word/Light/Son of God Debate is very serious . . .

    Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh. John 1:14.

    Was? Jesus Christ 'is' the way, the truth 'and' the life (John 14:6) and the "Light" of the world (John 8:12). Scripture makes that fact (Jesus is the Light) very clear in John 1:4-9.

    You are characterizing and generalizing the interpretations of others in some attempt at discrediting Trinity Doctrine taught in Scripture from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.

    No. That is 'your' conclusion based upon mere conjecture about a Scriptural Teaching that JD does not even begin to understand.

    Yes. We agree. :0)

    All of my diagrams make perfect sense to the 'mature' (1Cor. 2:6-8) members of Christ's Body (Church #2 believing Gospel #2) to whom God 'has' revealed His Hidden Wisdom (my Topic). JD is a first grader (fleshy = 1Cor. 3:1-3) and my mystery diagrams look like Analytical Geometry to 'you.' The substance of my mystery teachings are written upon the walls of the inner chambers of the Temple in Heaven itself, so you are wise to take 'these things' (2Peter 3:14-16) very seriously.

    Stop being foolish! I am the biggest 'Trinitarian' here! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matt 28:19) are the three witnesses (spirit, blood and water = 1Jn 5:6-8) of God's Living Word! God To Come, God Who Is and God Who Was are the three witnesses of 'The Almighty.' Rev. 1:8. Heavens, Heaven and Earth are the three witnesses of this Adamic Universe like JD has a spirit, soul and physical body. In every case, three witnesses now testify for a Singularity Expression and Scripture is filled to the brim with three witness mystery sets using this same precise Trinity Pattern:

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    Notice the "Two Veils" of The Tabernacle Of Moses/Temple (diagram).

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    The Singularity Expression appears in column #1 with the three witnesses (spirit, blood and water respectively) appearing under the appropriate headings.

    LOL!!! JD is far better off to remain silent and appear wise to somebody (Pro. 17:28). My Christian Ministry was suspended on this USMB Board, because of nonsense just like this. God's anointed appears in a wilderness that is filled with people having no spiritual eyes to see and no spiritual ears to hear and very much primed and made ready for utter destruction (Acts 3:22-23 = #1-10).

    In Christ Jesus,

    Terral
     
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    There is no Trinity of one. That is a man made fiction. God is NOT Jesus, Jesus is NOT God. The Holy Spirit is neither of them. God created Jesus, he is called his first begotten Son because he made him First. Jesus then helped God make everything else.

    Jesus insists in John that he is NOT God and that he should not be called God. That his FATHER is God. That Jesus does everything he does FOR his Father and gets all his blessings and power FROM his Father, Jehovah God.

    The Holy Spirit is an entity, a force that God Uses to pass to man his blessings.
     
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    Love the charts and diagrams, Terral. No offense of course. :lol:
     
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    Hi Retired:

    Who are you addressing? JD? The Opening Post? Something I wrote? Nobody knows! Now the resident Retired Guy is going to begin explaining what is 'not' . . .

    The Word = Father + Son + Holy Spirit. Matt. 28:19. Retired :)confused:) has no idea what that means . . .

    No. There is God's Teaching on the Trinity 'and' there is the Satanic Counterfeit taught by Denominationalism (2Thes. 2:7-12, 2Cor. 11:14-15).

    Jesus Christ is the "Son of the Living God." Matt. 16:16-18.

    The Holy Spirit is the 'water witness' (Helper) of God's Living Word (diagram).

    GL,

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