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I thought it was Loouhvul.
U just love saying Woostah.. Dontcha? I should teach you the correct pronounciation of LouisVille. (Lulvul)
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I thought it was Loouhvul.
U just love saying Woostah.. Dontcha? I should teach you the correct pronounciation of LouisVille. (Lulvul)
California High-Speed Rail Authority Releases Ambitious New Plan
The revised plan would save money by merging the bullet train with existing commuter rail lines in the San Francisco Bay area and Los Angeles basin, where tracks would be electrified. Nearly $1 billion in voter-approved bonds is available for upgrades to existing tracks, which officials say would speed up rail service and possibly generate more riders.
The bulk of the remaining cost would come from fares and private financing, with any shortfall filled by tapping into California's new industrial "cap-and-trade" program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Environmentalists who supported that program and critics of high-speed rail have questioned whether that money can be used for such projects.
Dan Richard, chairman of the high-speed rail board, said the governor and Department of Finance believe the cap-and-trade fees are a legally viable funding source.
Sen. Doug LaMalfa, R-Willows, a critic of the high-speed rail plan, called the latest proposal a "bait-and-switch" with a $55 billion funding gap. He is promoting a ballot petition seeking to repeal the 2008 ballot measure.
"It is clear that this project is not the project that was presented to voters in 2008, and if it is to be pursued it needs to go back on the ballot," said Coupal, who co-authored the ballot arguments against the bonds in 2008.
The initial phase will link the Central Valley city of Merced and the San Fernando Valley by 2022, expanding on what originally had been proposed as a 130-mile Madera-to-Bakersfield section that critics had lampooned as a "train to nowhere."
Brown ordered the board to rethink its previous proposal as polls showed a majority of voters wanted to reconsider the $9 billion in startup funding they authorized four years ago.
I thought it was Loouhvul.Yes!
Woostah too ...
U just love saying Woostah.. Dontcha? I should teach you the correct pronounciation of LouisVille. (Lulvul)
It would not be profitable there either.
It already is
Only because Biden and Wall Streeters living in all those Litttle towns can get on from their fancy suburbs.. You think "hi-speed" means "stop every 12 miles?"
I don't think anyone in California would use it. It would have to be subsidized by the taxpayer to be cheaper than flying or driving
I will say one thing on the possible future of train travel being possible.
Long distance travel at high speed (coast to coast in at longest 24 hours) WITH own vehicle on board. If that can be done for comparatively the same price as a plane ticket for a family of 4-5, they have a shot at doing that. Of course, that would require an average speed of at least 150mph with short stops only at a few major hubs.
The catch is that you would have heavy trains with the need for eliminating grade crossings able to traverse 3000 miles approximately in a day. The current track structure cannot handle it. It'd take possibly a trillion dollars or more just to get the track laid, let along fight the legal battles to do it, and then consider the fact that this is also not in the budget for a large market either no matter what is said otherwise.
So, that's one outlandish possibility. Almost an X Prize level of possible success and profitability. aka, maybe someday a long way off.
It already is
Only because Biden and Wall Streeters living in all those Litttle towns can get on from their fancy suburbs.. You think "hi-speed" means "stop every 12 miles?"
The Acela doesn't stop every 12 miles, only major cities
It is a very profitable run and is usually full
<<AvorySuds>> "who is it for?"
People who won't fly the SouthWest aerial cattle cars for $150?
The Boston-New York-Philadelphia-Washington corridor is the only route that high speed rail would be profitable
It would not be profitable there either.
It already is
<<AvorySuds>> "who is it for?"
People who won't fly the SouthWest aerial cattle cars for $150?
The question was who will use it, not who would like to use it.
Who can afford to use it that has the time? So who are we building this 300 billion dollar train for. Southwest is privet, CBT (Cali-Bullet-Train) is not. One get's tax payer money and the other does not (or should not.)
Thanks, that video pretty much makes my point.Here ya go Junkie -- from an acceptable source..
California High-Speed Rail Authority Releases Ambitious New Plan
The revised plan would save money by merging the bullet train with existing commuter rail lines in the San Francisco Bay area and Los Angeles basin, where tracks would be electrified. Nearly $1 billion in voter-approved bonds is available for upgrades to existing tracks, which officials say would speed up rail service and possibly generate more riders.
The bulk of the remaining cost would come from fares and private financing, with any shortfall filled by tapping into California's new industrial "cap-and-trade" program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Environmentalists who supported that program and critics of high-speed rail have questioned whether that money can be used for such projects.
Dan Richard, chairman of the high-speed rail board, said the governor and Department of Finance believe the cap-and-trade fees are a legally viable funding source.
Sen. Doug LaMalfa, R-Willows, a critic of the high-speed rail plan, called the latest proposal a "bait-and-switch" with a $55 billion funding gap. He is promoting a ballot petition seeking to repeal the 2008 ballot measure.
"It is clear that this project is not the project that was presented to voters in 2008, and if it is to be pursued it needs to go back on the ballot," said Coupal, who co-authored the ballot arguments against the bonds in 2008.
The initial phase will link the Central Valley city of Merced and the San Fernando Valley by 2022, expanding on what originally had been proposed as a 130-mile Madera-to-Bakersfield section that critics had lampooned as a "train to nowhere."
Brown ordered the board to rethink its previous proposal as polls showed a majority of voters wanted to reconsider the $9 billion in startup funding they authorized four years ago.
Do you realize what an ordeal it is to ride CalTrain from San Jose to San Fran? I do.. It ain't gonna save you JACK in terms of time. But the key to the renewed interest in this zombie project is right in that quote..
It's about tying up the Calif. Tax and Cap carbon slush fund that EVERYONE wants to get their paws on.. Boy THAT'S gonna hurt the little guy...
Auto Train Transports You and Your Car - Lorton, VA - Sanford, FL | AmtrakI will say one thing on the possible future of train travel being possible.
Long distance travel at high speed (coast to coast in at longest 24 hours) WITH own vehicle on board. If that can be done for comparatively the same price as a plane ticket for a family of 4-5, they have a shot at doing that. Of course, that would require an average speed of at least 150mph with short stops only at a few major hubs.
The catch is that you would have heavy trains with the need for eliminating grade crossings able to traverse 3000 miles approximately in a day. The current track structure cannot handle it. It'd take possibly a trillion dollars or more just to get the track laid, let along fight the legal battles to do it, and then consider the fact that this is also not in the budget for a large market either no matter what is said otherwise.
So, that's one outlandish possibility. Almost an X Prize level of possible success and profitability. aka, maybe someday a long way off.
Isnt' that how you go thru the Chunnel? I thought you loaded your car on and sat and ate snails all the way back to London.. In the US, if they had Wi-Fi and carhops delivering finger food -- and maybe a plug to run your electric stuff --- that could be neat if there was a view.
Only because Biden and Wall Streeters living in all those Litttle towns can get on from their fancy suburbs.. You think "hi-speed" means "stop every 12 miles?"
The Acela doesn't stop every 12 miles, only major cities
It is a very profitable run and is usually full
I did a very quick google just to see. I don't know crap about this stuff, it was purely curiosity.
I did "is Acela profitable?"
So it looks like it's not even close.
Is the Northeast Corridor really profitable? - Fred Frailey - Trains Magazine - Online Community: Forums and Blogs
But in that Washington Post story, Boardman qualifies his statement in one important respect. To cover the Northeast Corridor’s capital costs, Amtrak still needs a government subsidy, he says. That is correct. How much are capital costs, on average? For the answer to that, go back to that same link and refer to page 4 of the 2009 report titled, “Northeast Corridor State of Good Repair Spend Plan.” There, it estimates the NEC’s annual, normalized capital needs the next 15 years as $368 million for infrastructure and equipment. Last fiscal year’s NEC operating profit of $61 million covers only one-sixth of that capital need.
Neglect is not the source of the problem. A lack of demand is. Add an inability to achieve profitability and there ya go.
Neglect is not the source of the problem. A lack of demand is. Add an inability to achieve profitability and there ya go.
There are plenty of passengers on the Northeast corridor.