"Born a Homo"?

[-Cp]

In summary, the most credible research to date on homosexuality-and research conducted years ago-demonstrates that no one is "born gay." The homosexual is suffering from a developmental problem, which frequently starts out in childhood as gender confusion, family dysfunction, or molestation.

From a Christian perspective, homosexual behavior is also labeled a sin and a sexual perversion. It is a behavior that must be repented of. The sin is akin to allowing oneself to become addicted to pornography or to drugs. These behaviors can be overcome-but the person must want to change!

The Bible-both the Old and New Testaments-clearly condemn homosexuality as a sin and a sexual perversion. Dr. Robert Gagnon, assistant professor of New Testament at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary has written a definitive text on how God views homosexuality. In The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics, Gagnon proves beyond doubt that the Bible consistently condemns homosexual behavior but calls the homosexual-and other sinners-to repentance and salvation. Gagnon urges Christians to resist the homosexual agenda but to love the sinner by "befriending the homosexual while withholding approval of homosexual behavior."

There is hope for homosexuals through developing a relationship with Jesus Christ, through both religious and secular counseling programs, and through support groups that provide accountability for those struggling with same-sex attractions and self-destructive behaviors.

Organizations like Exodus International, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays, NARTH, Reality Resources, and others can provide the resources that homosexuals need to be set free from these self-destructive sexual behaviors. Freedom is possible for those who wish to be free!

 

[-Cp]

Now SHUT-IT WADE...

 

[dmp]

And for every site you could find refuting it I could find one that upholds it. And your sites would almost all be political or religously based, not science at all. In fact, I think you would have a very hard time finding even one credible scientific site that would support your argument.

Homosexuals do not ask for special rights and tolerances, they ask for the same rights and tolerances as everyone else has a right to expect. The problem is that people like you think that this is somehow "special" when it applies to gays.

You seem to be quite terrified of homosexuality - and you know what that implies don't ya? :funnyface

Couple of things -

Those who want to BELIEVE there is a 'gay gene' often find that thru research - those who do NOT want to believe AS WELL AS those who have no opinion all find evidence to the contrary.

You seem to be quite terrified of God - and you know what that implies don't ya?

 

[wade]

Now SHUT-IT WADE...

Your comment:

Fact - Butt-pirates are NOT pre-programed that way

Demonstrates all to clearly that you have no objectivity on this subject. Even if it could be proven 100% without a doubt that homosexuality can be genetically founded, you would still not accept it.

Lets face the one fact that is irrefutable: YOU ARE A BIGOT!

Wade.

 

[dmp]

Your comment:



Demonstrates all to clearly that you have no objectivity on this subject. Even if it could be proven 100% without a doubt that homosexuality can be genetically founded, you would still not accept it.

Lets face the one fact that is irrefutable: YOU ARE A BIGOT!

Wade.

but A gay gene Cannot be 'proven'. That is the issue. It's not up to the world to prove to Wade ideas he doesn't want to read. It's up to wade to take the blinders off.

 

[MissileMan]

I fail to see why it always has to come to right or wrong based on religious law. It's a proven fact that men are wired differently than women. Why is it so far a stretch for anyone to believe that some men are wired differently than most men, or some women are wired differently than most women. If you are truly religious, then wouldn't you have to believe that God made homosexuals, atheists, terrorists, cancer, AIDS, etc? And if God created all these things it must be ok for them to exist? And taking a few passages out of a centuries old text to justify persecuting others is kinda dumb don't ya think? It's also against biblical law for women to adorn themselves and dress up. Do we fire up stoning parties and start dragging women out for punishment? Don't get me wrong, the bible has some common sense rules that we all should live by. Rules against killing, theft, etc are still valid today.

 

[-Cp]

Your comment:



Demonstrates all to clearly that you have no objectivity on this subject. Even if it could be proven 100% without a doubt that homosexuality can be genetically founded, you would still not accept it.

Lets face the one fact that is irrefutable: YOU ARE A BIGOT!

Wade.

You're right Wade - I'm a biggot towards an immoral lifestyle that's an abomination towards God and the rules of Nature.. However, I do care about the people's lost souls who are caught up in that lifestyle choice...

Wade: Is it a "gene" that makes some people predisposed to having sex with animals or children?

 

[wade]

but A gay gene Cannot be 'proven'. That is the issue. It's not up to the world to prove to Wade ideas he doesn't want to read. It's up to wade to take the blinders off.

But that was not the issue. The issue was if it was reasonable that people might be "born gay", and given what we know it is. Just because a "gay gene" has not yet been located does not mean that it does not exist, either as a single gene or more likely as some combination of genes.

I don't have any blinders on, it is you that have the bucket over your head. The empirical evidence supports the contention that homosexuality in at least part of the gay population is in fact based in genetics. It is people like you who cannot accept this and use absurd logic to make their case.

You know, it really does not matter if homosexuality is genetic or not. The fact is that if people want to engage in homosexual relationships that is their business. If you are an american you have the obligation to defend their right to do as they wish, regaurdless of how you personally feel about it, as long as they are consenting adults.

Wade.

 

[wade]

You're right Wade - I'm a biggot towards an immoral lifestyle that's an abomination towards God and the rules of Nature.. However, I do care about the people's lost souls who are caught up in that lifestyle choice...

Wade: Is it a "gene" that makes some people predisposed to having sex with animals or children?

In otherwords you wish to impose your morality upon others.

Very few people desire to have sex with animals. This is a very rare phenomena.

No I don't beleive the desire to have sex with children is genetic. I do believe this disfunction is often a consequence of suppressed sexuality, though it can be caused by other things as well (such as suffing this kind of abuse as a child).

Wade.

 

[-Cp]

In otherwords you wish to impose your morality upon others.

Very few people desire to have sex with animals. This is a very rare phenomena.

No I don't beleive the desire to have sex with children is genetic. I do believe this disfunction is often a consequence of suppressed sexuality, though it can be caused by other things as well (such as suffing this kind of abuse as a child).

Wade.

Howcome there's a "gay gene' but no "sex w/ animals" gene? Why the double standard? Just because one is more socially accepted among heathens?

 

[-Cp]

But that was not the issue. The issue was if it was reasonable that people might be "born gay", and given what we know it is. Just because a "gay gene" has not yet been located does not mean that it does not exist, either as a single gene or more likely as some combination of genes.

I don't have any blinders on, it is you that have the bucket over your head. The empirical evidence supports the contention that homosexuality in at least part of the gay population is in fact based in genetics. It is people like you who cannot accept this and use absurd logic to make their case.

You know, it really does not matter if homosexuality is genetic or not. The fact is that if people want to engage in homosexual relationships that is their business. If you are an american you have the obligation to defend their right to do as they wish, regaurdless of how you personally feel about it, as long as they are consenting adults.

Wade.

Are you really that igorant after reading the case I laid out on the previous page about why your threory of "natural-born-homo's" is wrong? Try reading for once...

 

[wade]

Howcome there's a "gay gene' but no "sex w/ animals" gene? Why the double standard? Just because one is more socially accepted among heathens?

Because a "gay gene" is just a logical minor abnormality, where a beastiality gene would be major abnormality.

Look at it this way... all men are just women with a Y chromosome added. If for some reason that Y chromosome fails to impart sexual desire for females then it is reasonable that the man would desire other men. That is a minor abnormality. But since no normal human has desire to have sex with animals, this is a major abnormality.

You see?

Wade.

 

[wade]

Are you really that igorant after reading the case I laid out on the previous page about why your threory of "natural-born-homo's" is wrong? Try reading for once...

Oh I read it, but it is not conclusive, not even convincing. It is only convincing to you because you don't use logic, you use dogma and bigotry to justify your beliefs

You have not really laid out any case at all. Not one peice of real research backs your position.

Wade.

 

[no1tovote4]

I just can't see why this would matter to anybody but the person who was gay.

Live as you are. That is my only advise.

The Christian religion tells them not to judge, therefore those who do are not worthy of your discussion. Let God himself decide if that sin is unforgivable, and leave yourself out it will make your life easier.

To the gays, there is at least one religion out there that doesn't deem immediately your lifestyle to be a "sin".

http://members.aol.com/GayZenLA/

 

[wade]

I just can't see why this would matter to anybody but the person who was gay.

Live as you are. That is my only advise.

It is important to try to get through to these thick headed people that it is their obligation as Americans to fight for the freedom of all Americans, even if they don't agree with how that freedom is expressed.

Wade.

 

[007]

It is important to try to get through to these thick headed people that it is their obligation as Americans to fight for the freedom of all Americans, even if they don't agree with how that freedom is expressed.

Wade.

Queers have ALL the same rights as anyone else in this country. And the only "thick headed" person I see here is YOU!

Frankly, your arguement is bullshit, and you don't have a leg to stand on. I can't imagine why people have put such effort into trying to talk some sense into your "thick head".

 

[5stringJeff]

Because a "gay gene" is just a logical minor abnormality, where a beastiality gene would be major abnormality.

Look at it this way... all men are just women with a Y chromosome added. If for some reason that Y chromosome fails to impart sexual desire for females then it is reasonable that the man would desire other men. That is a minor abnormality. But since no normal human has desire to have sex with animals, this is a major abnormality.

You see?

Wade.

Actually, you are wrong. Men are not women with a Y chromosome added. Men have a Y chromosome in the 26th pair instead of the second X chromosome.

And your major/minor abnormality causes two inconsistencies in your logic. First, who determines what is a major abnormality and what is minor? Is it because homosexuality is becoming socially acceptable that it's only a minor abnormality? What if sex with teens became socially acceptable - would it then be only a minor abnormality then?
Second, if homosexuality is indeed an "abnormality" (your word) then what should society do about that abnormality? Should it be treated (by counseling, etc.)? Should it be ignored?

 

[meesheltx]

Just a couple things...

Is there any evidence of a "straight" gene? ...I don't think so, but if there is, please let me know.

Also, what difference does it make if they were born with it or not? Is that even important? The fact is, who cares if they want to have sex with someone else of the same sex?

Some people say that it isn't real love.

Is it real love when a 20-yr old girl marries an 80-yr old billionaire? No. BUT, there is no restriction on that relationship...their right to be married is totally and completly protected. The right to make a commitment to another person is not a question of genetics.

I see people all the time who are married to very ugly and mean people. Do you think that they should be attracted to them? What makes them attracted to them? You probably wouldn't be...but is it any of your business? No.

Live and Let Live.

 

[KLSuddeth]

Just a couple things...

Is there any evidence of a "straight" gene? ...I don't think so, but if there is, please let me know.

Also, what difference does it make if they were born with it or not? Is that even important? The fact is, who cares if they want to have sex with someone else of the same sex?

Some people say that it isn't real love.

Is it real love when a 20-yr old girl marries an 80-yr old billionaire? No. BUT, there is no restriction on that relationship...their right to be married is totally and completly protected. The right to make a commitment to another person is not a question of genetics.

I see people all the time who are married to very ugly and mean people. Do you think that they should be attracted to them? What makes them attracted to them? You probably wouldn't be...but is it any of your business? No.

Live and Let Live.

Welcome Meeshel Good point!

Watch out though, for the Pale Rider types ....you'll become quickly hated for not hating homosexuals and/or God forbid not speaking out against them.

 

[007]

Welcome Meeshel Good point!

Watch out though, for the Pale Rider types ....you'll become quickly hated for not hating homosexuals and/or God forbid not speaking out against them.

And God forbid your opinion ever differs from the Suddeth Coalition President here Meeshel. She's got a hair trigger temper and goes off like ten tons of TNT.