Birth Control and Penile Implants

[Polk]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

 

[tererun]

because that would effect men, and republicans care about men.

 

[daveman]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

Are you making assumptions based on stereotypes?

 

[Polk]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

Are you making assumptions based on stereotypes?

I don't see protesters marching around demanding government stop funding penile implants...

 

[Polk]

because that would effect men, and republicans care about men.

GOP: Government so small, it'll fit in your vagina.

 

[peach174]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

We are not opposed to all ins. paying for birth control. Even though you can get it for very cheap any where.We are against forcing religious insurance groups to pay for them.
It's a first amendment issue.

 

[peach174]

because that would effect men, and republicans care about men.

GOP: Government so small, it'll fit in your vagina.

You think that we need 5 different departments that do the same thing and none of them know what the others are doing?

 

[Polk]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

We are not opposed to all ins. paying for birth control. Even though you can get it for very cheap any where.We are against forcing religious insurance groups to pay for them.
It's a first amendment issue.

Except no one is forcing religious groups to pay for them.

 

[frazzledgear]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

Just because you have a problem telling the difference between the use of medical treatment to restore normal body function and taking a pill so one can have more carefree sex doesn't mean this is an impairment the rest of us suffer from. Medical treatment for endometriosis is covered. Medical treatment for ANY physical impairment that interferes with normal body function for a man or a woman is covered. I have an issue with idiots who think there is some kind of legitimate comparison between a man who has no sexual function due to illness, injury or necessary medication to treat another condition - and a woman who has normal body function and merely wants to screw with a more carefree mind and thinks that somehow makes it my problem instead of hers!

This is a contrived, phony issue. Health insurance doesn't cover male contraceptives which is the ONLY legitimate comparison and gee, Democrats aren't insisting society owes it to men to foot their bill for it so they too can screw with a more carefree attitude, are they? We are not talking about a product that is difficult or expensive but we are talking about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. I agree restoring body function so someone can have a normal sex life -man or woman-should AND IS- covered by healthcare. There are medical conditions that interfere with a woman's ability to have a normal sex life -ALL covered by health insurance. That has NEVER been an issue. Restoring an individual to normal or as near normal function as possible is the entire point of medical care, and when it isn't possible, insuring they are comfortable, given treatment to be as pain free as possible and allows them to reach as near normal as possible for their highest quality of life. Birth control pills work by impairing normal body function, not by restoring it. The use of birth control pills to treat a specific medical condition is covered but insurance companies aren't stupid. There are only a couple of medical conditions where birth control pills would be among the treatment of choice and those only then for a limited period of time, not forever! And NO medical condition exists where there is no other effective treatment except birth control pills. In addition those medical conditions can and must be verified by testing for medical documentation. And it's covered. Just imagine-doctors have known how to do this for decades! Which is why it isn't doctors pretending women are being denied coverage when birth control pills are used to treat legitimate medical problems!

Aside fom that, your entire argument falls apart when insisting only female contraception should be covered but still have no problem insisting men bear the burden of paying their own way if they want to have more carefree sex. Equality doesn't involve gender based special privileges and it is a deception to pretend this is anything but gender based privilege that is not equally available to men. Sorry but contraception is always a personal responsibility, involves personal desires and wishes and is not "healthcare".

 

[Luddly Neddite]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

And, lushbo's fave drug to smuggle, Viagra ...

Its okay to pay to make him hard enough to impregnate a woman but its not okay to keep her from getting pregnant.

That's rw logic for you.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

We are not opposed to all ins. paying for birth control. Even though you can get it for very cheap any where.We are against forcing religious insurance groups to pay for them.
It's a first amendment issue.

Except no one is forcing religious groups to pay for them.

Nor have they - ever. Saying its a First Amendment issue is laughable.

What is covered by "your" insurance is YOUR business, just as what is covered by ANY and ALL women's insurance is THEIR business.

The real truth is that rw's want to control women. They want into the bedrooms of all Americans so they can control their personal and private lives. Its just more Big Government by the party who LOVES to pass lots and lots of laws.

BTW, to that end, I noticed that SickRick Santorum has formed a super pac to help buy the election.

 

[peach174]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

We are not opposed to all ins. paying for birth control. Even though you can get it for very cheap any where.We are against forcing religious insurance groups to pay for them.
It's a first amendment issue.

Except no one is forcing religious groups to pay for them.

Yes they are.
Catholics are the owners of their Health Ins.
That is why they are suing the Government.

 

[Not2BSubjugated]

Not only do the Catholics not want to pay for insurance programs that include birth control, they don't want to have to offer them at all. If there's inconsistencies between that and penile implants, keep in mind that it's a religion before you start trying to logically argue the ins and outs of their morals. Morals, especially those based in any particular dogma, are rarely logical. Luckily for those adhering to particular sects, however, the 1st Amendment doesn't specify that popular opinion has to consider your religious views logical before you have the right to observe them.

Personally, I'm pro choice and anti over-population. I think any allowance to keep irresponsible fornicators from squirting out unwanted babies and adding them to the government dole is awesome. I dearly wish so many religious sects didn't view birth control as a sin. They do, however, and that's their business. It's not my place to force my morality on them, and it's not yours either.

 

[peach174]

Penile implants are for medical reasons.
So is the morning after pill. They pay for both those services when it is a medical issue.
Not to use it to end a possible beginning of life.This is their objection.

 

[Polk]

Penile implants are for medical reasons.
So is the morning after pill. They pay for both those services when it is a medical issue.
Not to use it to end a possible beginning of life.This is their objection.

Please, what is the medical reason a 75 year old man needs to be able to get a boner? And no, your side also opposes the use of birth control for medical purposes. Go back and look at Sandra Fluke's testimony. She spend the entire time talking about the use of birth control to treat hormonal conditions, and your side's response was to call her a whore.

 

[daveman]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

Are you making assumptions based on stereotypes?

I don't see protesters marching around demanding government stop funding penile implants...

Ahhh. Assumptions it is, then.

 

[daveman]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

We are not opposed to all ins. paying for birth control. Even though you can get it for very cheap any where.We are against forcing religious insurance groups to pay for them.
It's a first amendment issue.

Except no one is forcing religious groups to pay for them.

Not now that Obama has reversed his stance.

Obama Shifts on Birth Control to Placate Catholics

The White House, in an abrupt shift aimed at quelling an election-year firestorm, announced on Friday that religious employers would not be required to offer free birth control to workers and that the onus would instead be put on health insurers. The compromise, to be formally unveiled by President Barack Obama, seeks to accommodate religious organizations outraged by a new rule that would have required them to offer free contraceptive coverage.​

 

[daveman]

We are not opposed to all ins. paying for birth control. Even though you can get it for very cheap any where.We are against forcing religious insurance groups to pay for them.
It's a first amendment issue.

Except no one is forcing religious groups to pay for them.

Nor have they - ever.

Stop lying.

Oh, wait -- you can't.

 

[waltky]

I dunno...

... mebbe I'm missin' sumpin' here...

... but it seems to me...

... if ya don't get the penile implant...

... ya won't need the birth control.

 

[Si modo]

For those that are so militantly opposed to insurance coverage for birth control, why are you okay with insurance coverage for penile implants? Birth control actually has some medical uses beyond contraception (it's very useful for the treatment of endometriosis, for example), while penile implants don't have a medical use beyond defining the ability to have sex as a medical use.

I don't know about you, I am opposed to this president stomping on First Amendment rights.