Are you an ideologue?

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    Do you think you are a moderate or an extremist?

    Do you think your side always right?

    Or do you think maybe the other side is right once in awhile?

    Me: moderate, somtimes a little right on some issues, sometimes a little left

    NO

    Not very damn often
     
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    Typically, politics is seen as linear, where ideologues are seen as defenders of each end of the line. However, politics is more complex.

    Example, slavery and freedom are opposites/extremes on a linear scale. Tyranny vs Liberty. Injustice vs. justice. All opposites/extremes. And what would a "moderate" position be; where does moderation fall, between slavery and freedom, between tyranny and liberty, between injustice and justice? Moderation and compromise was tried and failed miserably in regards to slavery in the United States, and still affects politics to this day and likely always will.

    Instead of viewing one end of the linear model, let's imagine that linear-extremist end as the center of the target and the other end as the outer ring. So instead of an inflexible extremist, we see the center of the target as righteous and ideal, uncompromising in defending justice and civil rights, and anything beyond as missing the mark, as an encroachment, as an erosion into injustice, into tyranny, into oppression, into slavery, no matter how noble-sounding the countering proposals are presented.

    Anti-slavery activist and politician William Wilberforce said, "If to be feelingly alive to the sufferings of my fellow-creatures is to be a fanatic, I am one of the most incurable fanatics ever permitted to be at large."

    So should a "fanatic" as Wilberforce be marginalized by mere labels, for believing in a righteous cause in the name of freedom and human decency, for not compromising in his goals? Or a Frederick Douglass? I would hope not.

    I've been called an ideologue, an extremist, a puritan, for the beliefs I have, especially within my political party affiliation. My side is my beliefs, not whatever political party I am a member of, and I have yet to see my beliefs be in error. I have no regrets. :)
     
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    Very rarely will an ideologue admit to, or even REALIZE that, they're an ideologue. They seem to convince themselves that, not only are their views always mainstream, but anyone who doesn't agree with them is crazy and must be stopped, for the "good of" whatever.

    So thinking you're mainstream is part of being an ideologue! How cool is that! Woot!

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    What it's like trying to "debate" with a partisan ideologue:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218]Monty Python - Dead Parrot - YouTube[/ame]

    "What's wrong with it?"

    "It's dead, that's what wrong with it"

    "No it's not, it's just resting, look"

    "Look my lad, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now"

    "No no, it's not dead, it's just resting"

    Deny, deny, deny, divert, divert divert. Ain't worth the effort.

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    you tell me what I am....I am pro-labor and pro union. I am pro-gun and pro welfare reform. I believe that if people aren't hurting others....we have no right to regulate or legislate their sins(or judge them for that matter).

    I am a Christian, however....and while I am morally opposed to things such as abortion...I am also an American and realize that my religion should not dictate rule of law in this country otherwise we will be no better than radical Islamic countries.

    I believe we ARE our brother's keeper and we, as a society have an obligation to take care of our poor, afflicted and elderly. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't expect a return on that investment of our tax dollars. This includes things such as Health Care and Education.

    so....where do I stand? I consider. myself a left of center moderate.
     
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    I used to think I was an extremist, but four years on USMB has taught me that I am a moderate.
     
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    Pro life, anti death penalty,fiscal conservative with a streak of libertarian .

    Not happy with ether party
     
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    While I agree with all of your beliefs I wonder how "pro-gun" you are. I support the right of a sane, sober and sensible person to own, possess and have under their custody and control a firearm for home defense, target shooting and/or hunting.

    I oppose semi-automatic firearms for the civilian population and I supported the Brady Bill though I don't believe it want far enough.

    I too see myself as a moderate Democrat, fiscally conservative, a pragmatist and a humanist within the teachings of Jesus, which, many times seems to be antithetical within Christianity as practiced by the Christian Conservative movement.
     
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    I believe that truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. It just dumbfounds me what some people see attractive.

    Anyone can feel free to think of me as anything they want. Doesn't really change anything if we don't find the same kind of things attractive.

    Considering I'm always on the same side, mine, then yes... At a given moment in time I am right. Always. However when/and/or/if new information or a different way of looking at a problem comes along I could change my view.

    Now I answered that question as I assumed you meant it from a philosophical angle. Obviously science or math I or anyone else can be wrong.

    Of course. When they logically explain their position on something I might change my own views. Now does that mean that my previous position was wrong now that I changed it to something else? No... I don't think so. I think that I just didn't have enough information to come to the correct solution. It was right when I made it.
     
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