An Interesting Juxtaposition

[PoliticalChic]

Let's compare the cost of building a wall to gain control of the costs of illegal immigration, to the cost to Americans for buying the votes of illegal aliens.....


1. "Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats

Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi will meet Tuesday to see if they can work out a deal to fund the Department of Homeland Security and other departments for the rest of the fiscal year. But Democrats say they can only give Trump $1.6 billion, and the impasse is threatening a partial government shutdown if they can't reach a deal in two weeks."
Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats



2. "Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billion Annually
“(Washington, D.C.) - Illegal immigration to the U.S. costs federal, state and local taxpayers a staggering net cost of $116 billion a year - an increase of some $16 billion compared to previous estimates - according to a new study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The study is the most comprehensive to date on the cost to federal, state and local taxpayers of the nation's 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.

The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via fraud.

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.”
http://www.irli.org/single-post/201...BNHYuYpqNoIjJKVFD4cOAuwXVYeLxfAcaAv39EALw_wcB

 

[The Original Tree]

Build The Wall.

Have The Military build it.

Have Illegals Build it.

Hell, have Russia Build it.

Just build it.

Cheaper than throwing Grandma off the cliff and giving Bad Hombres her SS Check.

 

[BlackFlag]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

 

[BlackFlag]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

You gave me a set of data that a propaganda source chose for you. You just admitted to net even knowing how many illegals are here, proving your data is meaningless. A wall will do nothing. But I'll consent to one as soon as Mexico sends the check, as Trump promised they would.

 

[Marion Morrison]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

 

[BlackFlag]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

I heard it was upwards of 100 million!

 

[Marion Morrison]

I heard it was upwards of 100 million!

Yeah, but you're a shill and unreasonable, and not to be taken seriously.

To put things in perspective, the area in which I live has almost 4 million population.

Wait, I'd say around 11 million for illegals.

When reagan granted 3 million amnesty in exchange for a wall, that's what it was then..11 million-ish would be about right. Not even counting the 3 million granted amnesty that are now US citizens.

 

[Claudette]

Twenty million sounds about right.

They cost we tax payers billions every year. Build the damned wall. Then none can get in. Once its built boot the twenty million out and they won't be able to get back in. Save we tax payers billions.

 

[BlackFlag]

I heard it was upwards of 100 million!

Yeah, but you're a shill and unreasonable, and not to be taken seriously.

^ironic

 

[william the wie]

$200 billion will be the probable cost of mass deportation and that will kick in after the states that go into default have to void their sanctuary status laws.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

You gave me a set of data that a propaganda source chose for you. You just admitted to net even knowing how many illegals are here, proving your data is meaningless. A wall will do nothing. But I'll consent to one as soon as Mexico sends the check, as Trump promised they would.

Yet....you couldn't offer any rebuttal other than the usual Liberal "is not, isssssssss noootttttttttt!!!!"

Didn't you know you can't be something with nothing....and, clearly, you have nothing.



But here is an earlier view....you can have another chance:


"...undocumented immigrants are paying billions of dollar in taxes into state and local coffers, and that substantially more would be generated if President Obama prevails in imposing a new executive order protecting many of those workers from deportation."
Study Finds Illegal Immigrants Pay $11.8B in Taxes


But the facts aren't their friend...

“The conservative Heritage Foundation estimated unlawful immigrant households paid $39.2 billion in 2010, but received $93.7 billion in government services.” -- Oliver Darcy

[So much for that fable.]
15 Stats That Destroy Liberal Narratives





And, the money taken from working Americans is sent to Mexico by these Mexican citizens....more money than the

"Remittances totaled more than oil income

Money sent from abroad came to $24.8 billion last year, up 4.75%

Mexico News Daily | Tuesday, February 2, 2016

Remittances sent home by Mexicans working outside the country surpassed [Mexican] petroleum revenues in 2015 for the first time.

There was a 4.75% increase in money sent from abroad, most of which comes from the U.S., to total US $24.8 billion last year, up from $23.6 billion in 2014, said the Bank of México.


The bank said it was the first time remittances had totaled more than petroleum revenues since it began tracking them in 1995.


Oil revenues last year totaled $23.4 billion."
Remittances totaled more than Mexico's oil income

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

Actually, between 40 and 60 million or more.

That's why you have to press #1 for English.

 

[Marion Morrison]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

Actually, between 40 and 60 million or more.

That's why you have to press #1 for English.

That seems high, do you have some stats? I realize there are illegal Canuckians, too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

I heard it was upwards of 100 million!

When you try that Liberal brand of 'humor,' it's pretty much your admission that you've lost the argument.


Now.....explain why you hate America.

 

[Lesh]

Let's compare the cost of building a wall to gain control of the costs of illegal immigration, to the cost to Americans for buying the votes of illegal aliens.....


1. "Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats

Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi will meet Tuesday to see if they can work out a deal to fund the Department of Homeland Security and other departments for the rest of the fiscal year. But Democrats say they can only give Trump $1.6 billion, and the impasse is threatening a partial government shutdown if they can't reach a deal in two weeks."
Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats



2. "Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billion Annually
“(Washington, D.C.) - Illegal immigration to the U.S. costs federal, state and local taxpayers a staggering net cost of $116 billion a year - an increase of some $16 billion compared to previous estimates - according to a new study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The study is the most comprehensive to date on the cost to federal, state and local taxpayers of the nation's 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.

The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via fraud.

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.”
http://www.irli.org/single-post/201...BNHYuYpqNoIjJKVFD4cOAuwXVYeLxfAcaAv39EALw_wcB

So will building a wall reduce that overly inflated number?

Not even a little.

It'll just add to it

 

[BlackFlag]

This thread is cuckoo bananas

 

[PoliticalChic]

Twenty million sounds about right.

They cost we tax payers billions every year. Build the damned wall. Then none can get in. Once its built boot the twenty million out and they won't be able to get back in. Save we tax payers billions.

Sounds way low.

Let's see if I can convince you, Claudette...



1. while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?

There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes

"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, ....


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' the point????



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.



Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Let's compare the cost of building a wall to gain control of the costs of illegal immigration, to the cost to Americans for buying the votes of illegal aliens.....


1. "Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats

Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi will meet Tuesday to see if they can work out a deal to fund the Department of Homeland Security and other departments for the rest of the fiscal year. But Democrats say they can only give Trump $1.6 billion, and the impasse is threatening a partial government shutdown if they can't reach a deal in two weeks."
Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats



2. "Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billion Annually
“(Washington, D.C.) - Illegal immigration to the U.S. costs federal, state and local taxpayers a staggering net cost of $116 billion a year - an increase of some $16 billion compared to previous estimates - according to a new study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The study is the most comprehensive to date on the cost to federal, state and local taxpayers of the nation's 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.

The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via fraud.

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.”
http://www.irli.org/single-post/201...BNHYuYpqNoIjJKVFD4cOAuwXVYeLxfAcaAv39EALw_wcB

Controlling illegal immigration starts at the top.

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers

• Dec. 6, 2018

BEDMINSTER, N.J. — During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies. When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.

Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.

Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper."""""

She said she was not the only worker at the club who was in the country illegally.

Sandra Diaz, 46, a native of Costa Rica who is now a legal resident of the United States, said she, too, was undocumented when she worked at Bedminster between 2010 and 2013. The two women said they worked for years as part of a group of housekeeping, maintenance and landscaping employees at the golf club that included a number of undocumented workers, though they could not say precisely how many. There is no evidence that Mr. Trump or Trump Organization executives knew of their immigration status. But at least two supervisors at the club were aware of it, the women said, and took steps to help workers evade detection and keep their jobs."""

Victorina Morales at her home in Bound Brook, N.J. She left Guatemala in 1999 and illegally entered the United States. She started working at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., in 2013.


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Trump's Mar-a-Lago seeks to hire 61 foreign workers
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"""""Despite his rhetoric that immigration hurts American workers, President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club is seeking to hire 61 foreign workers for the 2018 winter season, according to the Labor Department."""""

Trump’s “Winter White House” has applied to hire 21 cooks from other countries to work at the resort from October to May. The Palm Beach, Fla., club also wants to hire 40 foreigners for wait-staff positions."""
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[Dragonlady]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

You give data that is biased, skewed, and has no basis in reality.

There is no reality where building the wall is a good investiment, will same money or where it's a great idea.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants fly into the US on airplanes with visas in hand, and then they overstay those visas. What you need is an system which tracks visa residents, and tracks them down when their visas are up.but that's so much harder to sell than "Build the Wall" as a campaign slogan.

That you are promoting wasting $20 billion building a useless wall proves that you do not have the best interests of the American people at heart. You value useless money wasting boondoggles, while real policy issues, like better inner city schools, go begging. There's no money for computers in the school, but arms guards, who have done NOTHING to save students from school shooters, are a necessity.